Brexit? Brexit!

[oggbashan]

http://graphics.wsj.com/brexit-whos-voting-what/?mod=e2fb

Found this an illuminating illustration of how the votes broke down. Roughly every decade a person added to their age, they got 10% more likely to vote Leave. I'm seeing some parallels drawn between Britain and Japan at this point (elderly nationalists driving politics).

I don't think leaving the EU is going to immediately doom Britain but the long-ranging effects will be brutal. Its main trading partners are, obviously, still part of the Union, and renegotiating those trade deals with an irritated EU pressuring the other side to be stingy is likely to make relations frosty for a long time.

One of the things that has been significant is the number of younger people who have registered, for the first time ever, to vote. There had been an across the divide campaign to get people to register to vote. It was so successful that the website crashed and the final day to register was extended.

Many more young people voted in the referendum than have ever voted in a General Election (except perhaps the 1945 khaki election at the ending of WW2).

We cannot claim that people didn't turn out to vote, or that young people ignored the issue. People voted, making a difficult decision whichever way they voted.

Traditionally in General and Local Elections, the over 40s were more likely to vote than the under 30s. The older people are more likely to turn out to vote if the weather is bad.

This time the voters came. They made a choice. Now we have to work out what that means in practice.

 

[underguy1]

'The Brits' didn't do it. Racist Little Englanders did.

And an inevitable consequence is that Britain will soon cease to exist other than as a geographical description of Europe's largest island.

And the United Kingdom will cease to exist as a nation state. A fact about which most Scots will now rejoice.

Don't be such a bigot.

People voted for many different reasons.

Like more democracy for example.

 

[Scotsman69]

And where is the evidence that they still want to host it, mow that the long catalogue of safety failures in peacetime at Faslane is in the public domain? Except I don't imagine the English media have bothered to publicise what happens in Scotland...

Provide evidence of any significant politician in either Plymouth or Portsmouth who has dared to argue that Trident should be housed there please.

Devonport for one. Portsmouth for another. Both were annoyed when Faslane was built.

 

[sr71plt]

Can't fool Fox News. They reported that Britain has pulled out of the UN.

https://twitter.com/LeighHolmwood/status/746243602561568768/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

[Scotsman69]

And just how do you know, living well over 10,000 miles away, why people voted as they did? I was subjected to the daily media barrage promoting the racism of the Brexiteers. You weren't.

Don't be such a bigot.

People voted for many different reasons.

Like more democracy for example.

 

[Nidan]

The Welsh voted to leave the EU.

Sorry. I know. But the Scottish fella (who clearly doesn't hate English people........... ) blames the English only.

 

[Scotsman69]

I didn't say that. And unlike the racist Brexiteers, I don't hate anyone on the basis of their nationality or ethnicity.

But I must admit Wales has puzzled me recently; first the UKIP vote last month, and then the Brexit vote. It's too long since I've been in Wales, so I'm out of touch.

Sorry. I know. But the Scottish fella (who clearly doesn't hate English people........... ) blames the English only.

 

[Hard_Rom]

UKIP, Little Englanders and racists added to atmosphere of fear. Most would have voted with their wallets though.

Would not be surprised to see the UKIP punished at next voting opportunity, regardless of Leave vote.

or I hope.

 

[underguy1]

And just how do you know, living well over 10,000 miles away, why people voted as they did? I was subjected to the daily media barrage promoting the racism of the Brexiteers. You weren't.

I happen to be a citizen and I read as much British media as any other. I have many friends and colleagues there and I daresay, a better understanding of the politics of the left than you.

Not to mention the economics of it.

The 'media barrage' was 99% in favour of staying in.

The Grauiniad was beside itself promoting the very stereotype that you've obviously fallen for.

 

[Scotsman69]

Whatever else you are, you're certainly pretty sure of yourself.

And what do you know about me that leads you to think you know more about the politics and economics of the UK left than I do? Pray share it with us....

The Guardian is a tiny part of the UK media pal. The Sun, Times, Daily Mail and various scurrilous right-wing papers alas, have a much greater combined readership than the print media supporting 'remain'. As you would know perfectly well if you knew as much about UK politics as you claim to. And the 'impartial' BBC boosted the Brexiteers by publicising their lurid front pages daily.

Unlike the Scottish Independence referendum two years ago, in which the media was indeed 99% opposed to independence - and 46% of Scots still voted for it - I reckon the UK media, in terms or audience reach, was majority supporting Brexit.

I happen to be a citizen and I read as much British media as any other. I have many friends and colleagues there and I daresay, a better understanding of the politics of the left than you.

Not to mention the economics of it.

The 'media barrage' was 99% in favour of staying in.

The Grauiniad was beside itself promoting the very stereotype that you've obviously fallen for.

 

[Penuche]

After last night and this morning, I'm no longer willing to count myself as English if it means being lumped in with the Brexiting Little Englanders.

I'm a Londoner, people in most electoral areas of Greater London voted with clear majorities to remain, in Lambeth it was over 76%.

 

[DeYaKen]

I'm an economist, and you are an intelligent man. London and the SE of England absorb enormous subsidies from Scottish taxpayers, not vice versa.

No offence here but I thought you might enjoy a quote from J.K.Gailbraith "An economist is a man who is paid to be wrong more often than anyone else."

 

[oggbashan]

After last night and this morning, I'm no longer willing to count myself as English if it means being lumped in with the Brexiting Little Englanders.

I'm a Londoner, people in most electoral areas of Greater London voted with clear majorities to remain, in Lambeth it was over 76%.

That was part of the problem with the debate. Whichever side you voted for, there were unpleasant allies on your side.

 

[DeYaKen]

What you appear to be advocating, Hard Rom, is an economic and trading union.

That is what the UK originally joined, and would have joined earlier but for De Gaulle.

The EU is no longer that. It is wedded to the Euro idea and ever closer political union. It also practises micromanagement over irrelevant but irritating issues.

sorry ogg, that's not true. The writing was already on the wall back in 1973. Why does a free trade organisation need a parliament? Free trade organisations don't manage farm subsidies. Free trade organisations don't give out development grants or have a social fund. All those things were in place when we joined in 1973.

What is true is that it was described to the people as nothing more than a free trade organisation. Our government knew all about the plans for closer political union but they chose not to tell us.

 

[Scotsman69]

JKG was a significant economist when I was doing my degree in the subject.

He's unfashionable since the Chicago school took the ascendancy. But like Keynes, his wisdom will ensure that comes back.

No offence here but I thought you might enjoy a quote from J.K.Gailbraith "An economist is a man who is paid to be wrong more often than anyone else."

 

[Rachel_X]

All racists voted leave, but not all those that voted leave are racists.

 

[underguy1]

Whatever else you are, you're certainly pretty sure of yourself.

And what do you know about me that leads you to think you know more about the politics and economics of the UK left than I do? Pray share it with us....

The Guardian is a tiny part of the UK media pal. The Sun, Times, Daily Mail and various scurrilous right-wing papers alas, have a much greater combined readership than the print media supporting 'remain'. As you would know perfectly well if you knew as much about UK politics as you claim to. And the 'impartial' BBC boosted the Brexiteers by publicising their lurid front pages daily.

Unlike the Scottish Independence referendum two years ago, in which the media was indeed 99% opposed to independence - and 46% of Scots still voted for it - I reckon the UK media, in terms or audience reach, was majority supporting Brexit.

You're havin' a larf, matey. That's the most absurd thing you've said yet.

 

[DeYaKen]

JKG was a significant economist when I was doing my degree in the subject.

He's unfashionable since the Chicago school took the ascendancy. But like Keynes, his wisdom will ensure that comes back.

I had much admiration for the man. Not just for his brilliance but also for his sense of humour and his humanity.

Here's my favourite "There are two types of people who will predict the future. Those that don't know, and those that don't know they don't know."

 

[MichaelinChina]

I only figured out Brexit meant British Exit last week. So much I cared huh?

 

[MichaelinChina]

I had much admiration for the man. Not just for his brilliance but also for his sense of humour and his humanity.

Here's my favourite "There are two types of people who will predict the future. Those that don't know, and those that don't know they don't know."

and as Donald Rumsfeld and his aides who murdered two million villagers" said:


"We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know."

Fucking war criminal!

and the other thread Brexit is on 4 pages already. Come on you fuckers, vote to leave this one and join the other one!

 

[RUlookingup]

Spoken like a true clueless liberal.