What will come of the Ukraine peace talks?

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BRUSSELS — It was the moment Europeans and Ukrainians have been dreading for months, if not years.

Yet when it finally came, on a wintry afternoon as Kyiv froze, the suddenness and scale of Donald Trump’s peace plan still left Ukraine’s allies in shock.

The United States has effectively called time on its support for Ukraine as it resists Russia’s invasion, with Trump announcing immediate negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin and telling Ukraine leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy to give up hope of taking back all the land Russia has seized.

U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth was the first to divulge America’s position at a meeting at NATO headquarters in Brussels.

Hegseth told his counterparts gathered in the Belgian capital that Zelenskyy had no chance of achieving his goal of kicking Russian forces out of Crimea and the east of the country and returning Ukraine to its pre-2014 borders.

“Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering,” Hegseth said.

He then warned that America will be pulling back from its commitments to European security, renouncing the historic role it has played since the end of World War II, and set out a stark vision in which European governments will bear primary responsibility for their own defense — as well as for that of Ukraine.

Soon after, Trump extinguished any hope the cold new reality could be avoided. “I just had a lengthy and highly productive phone call with President Vladimir Putin of Russia,” the U.S. president said in a post on social media.

“We have also agreed to have our respective teams start negotiations immediately, and we will begin by calling President Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, to inform him of the conversation … Millions of people have died in a War that would not have happened if I were President, but it did happen, so it must end. No more lives should be lost!”
 
Hegseth told his counterparts gathered in the Belgian capital that Zelenskyy had no chance of achieving his goal of kicking Russian forces out of Crimea and the east of the country and returning Ukraine to its pre-2014 borders.
I haven't heard anything about Zelenskyy's reaction to that -- has anyone?
 
Panic in Kyiv as US president demands higher share of GDP than Germany’s First World War reparations

Donald Trump’s demand for a $500bn (£400bn) “payback” from Ukraine goes far beyond US control over the country’s critical minerals. It covers everything from ports and infrastructure to oil and gas, and the larger resource base of the country.

The terms of the contract that landed at Volodymyr Zelensky’s office a week ago amount to the US economic colonisation of Ukraine, in legal perpetuity. It implies a burden of reparations that cannot possibly be achieved. The document has caused consternation and panic in Kyiv.

The Telegraph has obtained a draft of the pre-decisional contract, marked “Privileged & Confidential’ and dated Feb 7 2025. It states that the US and Ukraine should form a joint investment fund to ensure that “hostile parties to the conflict do not benefit from the reconstruction of Ukraine”.

The agreement covers the “economic value associated with resources of Ukraine”, including “mineral resources, oil and gas resources, ports, other infrastructure (as agreed)”, leaving it unclear what else might be encompassed. “This agreement shall be governed by New York law, without regard to conflict of laws principles,” it states.

The US will take 50pc of recurring revenues received by Ukraine from extraction of resources, and 50pc of the financial value of “all new licences issued to third parties” for the future monetisation of resources. There will be “a lien on such revenues” in favour of the US. “That clause means ‘pay us first, and then feed your children’,” said one source close to the negotiations.

It states that “for all future licences, the US will have a right of first refusal for the purchase of exportable minerals”. Washington will have sovereign immunity and acquire near total control over most of Ukraine’s commodity and resource economy. The fund “shall have the exclusive right to establish the method, selection criteria, terms, and conditions” of all future licences and projects. And so forth, in this vein. It seems to have been written by private lawyers, not the US departments of state or commerce.

President Zelensky himself proposed the idea of giving the US a direct stake in Ukraine’s rare earth elements and critical minerals on a visit to Trump Tower in September, hoping to smooth the way for continued arms deliveries.
 
WTF?!

Ukraine not invited to peace talks!

Kyiv has not been invited to talks between the US and Russia aimed at ending the war in Ukraine, a senior Ukrainian government source has told the BBC.

The US special envoy to Ukraine Keith Kellogg had said Kyiv would be involved in this week's talks in Saudi Arabia, but the source said no delegation would be present.

European leaders have also not been asked to join the discussions, and are due to meet instead on Monday in Paris at a summit hastily arranged by the French president, as fears grow the continent is being locked out of negotiations.

The separate meetings follow a turbulent week where Washington has signalled a drastic change in its approach to the war in Ukraine.

The White House's Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff confirmed he was travelling to Saudi Arabia on Sunday evening for the first face-to-face talks between the US and Russia towards ending the conflict.

US President Donald Trump revealed on Sunday that Witkoff had met with Putin already "for a very extended period, like about three hours".

Witkoff, a billionaire real estate developer and friend of Trump, was in Moscow this week to secure the release of a US teacher imprisoned on charges of marijuana possession.

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio and National Security Advisor Mike Waltz are also set to meet Russian negotiators in Saudi Arabia, less than a week after Trump held a phone call with Russia's leader Vladimir Putin.
 
U.S. Doubles Down on Demand That Ukraine Sign Minerals Deal

The Trump administration is stepping up its push for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to hand mineral rights worth hundreds of billions of dollars to the U.S., after Zelensky’s initial rejection of the demand fueled President Trump’s escalating broadsides against Ukraine’s leader.

The White House called Zelensky’s refusal to sign a deal it proposed and his criticism of Trump unacceptable, a day after Zelensky said Trump is living in a “disinformation” bubble and Trump countered by calling Zelensky a dictator.

“They need to tone it down and take a hard look and sign that deal,” Trump’s national security adviser Mike Waltz said Thursday of Ukraine’s leadership on Fox News.

Zelensky has said he is open to a deal, but that it needs more work.
 
Trump just accepted reality. Unlike Biden. This performative bullshit dance that somehow Trump is selling out doesn't stand up to any critical, objective analysis.
He's demanding capitulation from Ukraine to their invader.

However you need to explain that is your own issue.
 
He recognizes the geopolitical reality. Europe can't back Ukraine because they are pathetically weak. The US has bigger fish to fry. And the Americans already wasted 450 billion for nothing, half of which went in corruption.
You've ignored my comment.
 
You're high on your own supply. Trump is doing what's necessary, and I applaud him for what he's doing in Ukraine. And I was never a Trump supporter. If you look at the geopolitical realities, there are no options. But people like you believe in make believe
What?! What bigger fish do we have to fry?! Not China!
 
Yes, you follow your usual pattern of selective engagement. I like to debate each point one by one on the merits. But since your brought it up, the "blob" deems China to be the greatest threat to US hegemony. For the record, I don't subscribe to this view.
It's not American hegemony that is at stake. Russia presents the exact same kind of threat to the world that Iraq did in 1991.
 
You can't be serious? Iraq presented a threat to the world? A third-rate army that collapsed at the mere sight of M1 tanks? You seriously believe that? How am I supposed to take you seriously? Iraq was a blip in geopolitical machinations.
Iraq in 1991 presented a threat to the post-WWII international order, based on the principle that no country gets to expand its territory by military aggression. And so does Russia now..
 
Russia never wanted to expand its territory. It made its objectives very clear: a neutral Ukraine and autonomy for the Russian speaking regions. The West fucked up the negotiations, see Minsk 1 and 2.

Now Europe will pay the price and Trump is doing what any sane US president should have done from the beginning. History will judge you.
We can't understand you with that Putin cock in your mouth
 
Nothing's gonna happen. These folks will meet, share stories and come back home.
 
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