Bush and The Bible

[The Mutt]

Wow. I am learing so much here.
I have learned that if my neighbors across town show a lack of hospitality to some guys who claim to be angels, God might destroy the whole city and kill everyone, including the little babies who don't even know what the heck hospitality is. In his mercy.

I have learned that it is not homosexuality God hates, but men acting like women; morally weak, soft and cowardly.
I have learned that the "God of Love" hates me for taking it up the butt.

Take a look at the front of your Bible. It probably says King James on the front. As in, "This book was compiled by a commitee working for a King who had all manner of agenda, the least of which was saving souls".

God, in the Old Testament, orders genocide, murder, rape and human sacrifice. Am I supposed to forgive him that because he later sends his son/self to earth and says, "my bad"?

And how can it be that the Greeks didn't have a word for homosexuality? There was plenty of it going on. I can see it now....
"Dimitri and Timon invited you to the bathhouse? Don't go! Those guys are... er....um... Those guys..... they're..er......Don't drop the soap!"

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

It never fails to amaze me how much of modern Christian rhetoric is based on the writings of a misogynist murderer who fell off a donkey on a road to Damascus.

I wish I could go back in time with a video crew and tape the real preachings of this man from Nazareth. It seems like he had some real great points. Too bad his religion was left in the hands of folks with other agendas.

If God really feels the way about homosexuality he is portrayed as feeling by the Christian right, then why did he create it in the first place? God is the only creator, right? Lucifer is a fallen angel, comparable in power to Michael or Gabriel, although apparently their superior prior to his fall.

As someone who has seen people struggle with their sexual orientation vs, their upbringing I will never believe the "it is a choice" argument. People are born with it. So how could it be such a sin? Is God that cruel?

I suppose my opinion of Saul/Paul and the organized church is pretty obvious here...

There is an interesting and long debate on Lucifer in both theology and popular culture. Neil Gaiman and Mike Carey particularly in their interpretation of Lucifer as a pawn of God's to play the role of the adversary and give Him a point to his creation. Also raised is the subject of how far Lucifer is willing to go for genuine rebellion instead of slavery by kingship. Overall, very interesting stuff even for the non-Christian types.

And to Mutt, they would just point to the vases. (yes, ancient greeks did have vases depicting hardcore heterosexual and homosexual acts, a sort of early internet if you will)

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by Belegon
It never fails to amaze me how much of modern Christian rhetoric is based on the writings of a misogynist murderer who fell off a donkey on a road to Damascus.

I wish I could go back in time with a video crew and tape the real preachings of this man from Nazareth. It seems like he had some real great points. Too bad his religion was left in the hands of folks with other agendas.

If God really feels the way about homosexuality he is portrayed as feeling by the Christian right, then why did he create it in the first place? God is the only creator, right? Lucifer is a fallen angel, comparable in power to Michael or Gabriel, although apparently their superior prior to his fall.

As someone who has seen people struggle with their sexual orientation vs, their upbringing I will never believe the "it is a choice" argument. People are born with it. So how could it be such a sin? Is God that cruel?

I suppose my opinion of Saul/Paul and the organized church is pretty obvious here...

God may be the only creator, but prime creation is a complicated philosophical issue (for instance, I can make a machine that cranks out widgets, but let's say that there's some metallic dust leftover that spills out of the bottom... did I make the dust? Sort of.). In that God could be a prime creator, but creation can conduct many parts of itself--it could be that God never intended homosexuality, but homosexuality was a product of creation.

Like to say, causality and intention are complicated.

I would be careful what you walk away with as far as theology. While opinion discussions concerning religion are very common and easy to play with, theology is a very difficult subject. Angels, their purpose, meaning, and history, is a heavily studied theological subject. If you're curious about information on the historical and theological character of the devil I highly recommend burning the fiction and fantasy writing and picking up anything written by Jeffrey Russell out of Cornwell.

He may be the most brilliant "Problem of Evil" theorist alive.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

If you're curious about information on the historical and theological character of the devil I highly recommend burning the fiction and fantasy writing and picking up anything written by Jeffrey Russell out of Cornwell.

Ipe!

I take it you're not a fan of Mike Carey's DC Vertigo series.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by Lucifer_Carroll
Ipe!

I take it you're not a fan of Mike Carey's DC Vertigo series.

Hellblazer is good entertainment. Russell is good scholarship.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Hellblazer is good entertainment. Russell is good scholarship.

I was actually talking about the Lucifer comic books.

But I agree that Hellblazer is an incredible series.

 

[The Mutt]

I was actually talking about the Lucifer comic books.

But I agree that Hellblazer is an incredible series.

I was a big fan of Alan Moore's version of the afterworlds in his run on Swamp Thing.