Can We Talk About Race?

[gordo12]

Reading an I/R story yesterday (not on Lit) where the author (A woman) uses this sentence.

a vague awareness to the wild, untamed, almost bestial vision I’ve always held of black men, particularly large, powerful black men,

Then shortly after makes the statement that we're all just animals anyway.

So the black as a beast attitude is alive and present

 

[MillieDynamite]

On June 17, 2020, following the murder of George Floyd and subsequent protests, Quaker Oats announced that Aunt Jemima would be retired and replaced with a new name and image "to make progress toward racial equality." The image was removed from packaging later in 2020, while the name change was said to happen at a later date.

edited out a line, the following part is real not some Onion invention.

Descendants of Aunt Jemima models Lillian Richard and Anna Short Harrington objected to the change. Vera Harris, a family historian for Richard's family, said, "I wish we would take a breath and not just get rid of everything. Because good or bad, it is our history."

Harrington's great-grandson Larnell Evans said, "This is an injustice for my family and me. This is part of my history." Evans had previously lost a lawsuit against Quaker Oats (and others) for billions of dollars in 2015.

 

[SimonDoom]

Then again, the so called 5th Beatle was Billy Preston, who was black, even though the actually 5th Beatle was Stu Sutcliffe.

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The real 5th Beatle was George Martin, their producer. It's completely obvious when you listen to their music and all the orchestral arrangements and weird instrumentation that John, Paul, George, and Ringo probably had no clue, because of their relatively poor formal musical backgrounds, and that GM was responsible for it. A big part of what we think of as the genius of the Beatles -- not the melodies but the groundbreaking instrumentation and arrangements -- probably originated from George Martin.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I think most writing is a reflection of the attitudes we see. We incorporate whatever we want to achieve those reflections. It doesn’t mean they are reflections of our attitudes. Race as issues and attitudes is so complicated in society. While many stories are stilted to stereotypes, archetypes, and filled with tropes (that work), it doesn’t mean a person who writes showing or using racism is racist.

I don’t beat up writers for racism in stories, and yes, I do use racist and racism in some stories. I’m considering stopping writing fans requests. The following is from an email I received recently.

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“I have two ideas. Let me know if either sounds like something you would be interested in doing.

Unpopular guy tries pledging to frat in college and gets tasked with getting a video of sorority girls making out. He goes to his lesbian cousin for help and she agrees but she has her own agenda.

Eighteen year old white high school senior gets bullied by the star black football player and one day gets pantsed by him and the entire school sees his small dick. He has enough and goes to complain to bully’s mother. She turns out to be a very sexy black milf and tells him she won’t punish her son but she will take his virginity to make up for the bullying instead.”

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These are crap straight from porn videos, and I’m not about to write this shit the way he has asked me to. As you can see, I didn’t edit his email.

Okay, but I am really wondering what the lesbian cousin's agenda was.

 

[Voboy]

Thanks for the thought. Appreciate it.

Gosh, I'm sorry. Do you object to a true and authentic discussion on here? Somehow are you bothered by fair argument and discussion?

Why is having a a disagreement or an argument "childish behavior?"

You sound like my mother.

Reasonable adults are allowed to disagree. Newsflash! It is not childish behavior. As long as it is civil and polite, it is actually adult behavior.

Grow up.

…how are these two responses replying to the same post?

Lordy.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Okay, but I am really wondering what the lesbian cousin's agenda was.

That was the only thing of any interest in that story. The motives she might have, if there was a tit for tat going to happen the boy for some transgression in the past.

 

[8letters]

Reading an I/R story yesterday (not on Lit) where the author (A woman) uses this sentence.
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a vague awareness to the wild, untamed, almost bestial vision I’ve always held of black men, particularly large, powerful black men,
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Then shortly after makes the statement that we're all just animals anyway.

So the black as a beast attitude is alive and present

I'm guessing she was thinking she was paying black men a compliment. Just like she's paying Jews a compliment when she praises their ability to manage money. How can people get upset about her making compliments?

 

[MillieDynamite]

I'm guessing she was thinking she was paying black men a compliment. Just like she's paying Jews a compliment when she praises their ability to manage money. How can people get upset about her making compliments?

A lefthanded compliment is still a compliment, right? No, it's a backhand across your cheek.

 

[LAHomedog]

The real 5th Beatle was George Martin, their producer. It's completely obvious when you listen to their music and all the orchestral arrangements and weird instrumentation that John, Paul, George, and Ringo probably had no clue, because of their relatively poor formal musical backgrounds, and that GM was responsible for it. A big part of what we think of as the genius of the Beatles -- not the melodies but the groundbreaking instrumentation and arrangements -- probably originated from George Martin.

I agree totally about George Martin, and his son Giles is the producer responsible for the incredible remixes of the albums. If you haven't heard the stereo remix of "Sgt. Pepper's" I urge you to do yourself a favor and listen to it. "Mr. Kite" will blow your mind.

But back to the "family tree" of the Beatles. The late Stu Sutcliffe was the 5th Beatle and an original member until Paul finally convinced John to let Stu go. Billy Preston is a more complex story. I saw him at the age of 15 playing the B3 with Ray Charles who was mentoring him at the time.

By the time of the live Apple rooftop concert that is recorded in "Let It Be," as you know, Billy was playing with them. (Prior to that Clapton was the only other rock star on one of their tracks playing the lead on "Guitar Gently Weeps.)

But Billy is the only other musician credited on a Beatles record. "Get Back" is credited as The Beatles (with Billy Preston) and "Don't Let Me Down" is also credited as The Beatles (with Billy Preston).

I had the good fortune of seeing him live on his very first national tour, the one with Ray Charles, and one of his last national tours playing with Eric Clapton during the "One More Car, One More Rider" tour.

 

[MelissaBaby]

A lefthanded compliment is still a compliment, right? No, it's a backhand across your cheek.

How many men get angry and call someone a cocksucker, then go home and ask their women for a blowjob?

 

[Voboy]

I agree totally about George Martin, and his son Giles is the producer responsible for the incredible remixes of the albums. If you haven't heard the stereo remix of "Sgt. Pepper's" I urge you to do yourself a favor and listen to it. "Mr. Kite" will blow your mind.

But back to the "family tree" of the Beatles. The late Stu Sutcliffe was the 5th Beatle and an original member until Paul finally convinced John to let Stu go. Billy Preston is a more complex story. I saw him at the age of 15 playing the B3 with Ray Charles who was mentoring him at the time.

By the time of the live Apple rooftop concert that is recorded in "Let It Be," as you know, Billy was playing with them. (Prior to that Clapton was the only other rock star on one of their tracks playing the lead on "Guitar Gently Weeps.)

But Billy is the only other musician credited on a Beatles record. "Get Back" is credited as The Beatles (with Billy Preston) and "Don't Let Me Down" is also credited as The Beatles (with Billy Preston).

I had the good fortune of seeing him live on his very first national tour, the one with Ray Charles, and one of his last national tours playing with Eric Clapton during the "One More Car, One More Rider" tour.

If I'd have thought this was a Beatles thread, I'd never have entered...

How many men get angry and call someone a cocksucker, then go home and ask their women for a blowjob?

I've often noticed that same thing.

I think the notion is that "cocksucker" implies she's no good for anything else.

 

[SimonDoom]

How many men get angry and call someone a cocksucker, then go home and ask their women for a blowjob?

I've never called someone a cocksucker in anger or as an insult, but I recall once telling a woman I was with that she was a great cocksucker after she gave me a really excellent blow job, and we had an interesting conversation about the use of the word and its insulting implications. I assured her I didn't mean it that way and I think she believed me, but it was an interesting conversation about the power and meaning of words, and the way people take them regardless of how they are intended.

 

[jaF0]

Guys get all hung up about being called a mother fucker, then go home to their wife and kids.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Guys get all hung up about being called a mother fucker, then go home to their wife and kids.

And write I/T stories on Lit.

 

[CyranoJ]

I’m not the only Black person commenting, I hope.

Myself and MillieDynamite are, as well. *waves*

 

[LAHomedog]

I've never called someone a cocksucker in anger or as an insult, but I recall once telling a woman I was with that she was a great cocksucker after she gave me a really excellent blow job,

I have called many men a cocksucker both jokingly and in anger, but never a woman. I have said, "You suck a great cock!" as a compliment, but never used the word in a descriptive way.

Maybe I'll try that with my wife. Nah, divorce court would be the next stop

 

[MillieDynamite]

Myself and MillieDynamite are, as well. *waves*

Yeah, I'm black, well russet or okra if you get technical, but you get my drift.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Yeah, I'm black, well russet or okra if you get technical, but you get my drift.

I hope you meant ochre.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I hope you meant ochre.

I dunno - this just in from Wikipedia:

"Okra or Okro , Abelmoschus esculentus, known in many English-speaking countries as ladies' fingers..." which is appropriate for Millie, methinks .

 

[MillieDynamite]

I hope you meant ochre.

I did, just got in hurry.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I dunno - this just in from Wikipedia:

"Okra or Okro , Abelmoschus esculentus, known in many English-speaking countries as ladies' fingers..." which is appropriate for Millie, methinks .

Most folks don't call me a lady.

 

[CyranoJ]

Most folks don't call me a lady.

I'm kind of inclined to.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Most folks don't call me a lady.

Most folk have no class .

 

[FD_23]

This may be blasphemy, but the song called Yesterday wasn't written or performed by the Beatles. Roy Clark's Yesterday is to me, deeper emotionally. The song is about life wasted in the pursuit of fame and fortune at expense of the one he loved.

I realize some will disagree, and that is perfectly understandable.

But sometime give the song a chance. The last verse sums up things nicely. I'd call Clark's Yesterday an example of Country Blues. And a lot of Country music is blues of a sort, minus the pickup trucks and concentrating on the cheating spouses.

"There are so many songs in me that won't be sung
I feel the bitter taste of tears upon my tongue
The time has come for me to pay
For yesterday when I was young"

I'm confused. I have just listened to Roy clarks yeterday, and it has no similarity to the Beatles Yesterday..... am I missing your point?

"Yesterday" is a song by the English rock band the Beatles, written by Paul McCartney and credited to Lennon–McCartney. It was first released on the album Help! in August 1965

Yesterday by roy clark was release 4 years later, and itself a cover of "Hier encore", whose original French title translates as something like "Just yesterday".


Am I missing your point?!!

 

[MillieDynamite]

I'm confused. I have just listened to Roy clarks yeterday, and it has no similarity to the Beatles Yesterday..... am I missing your point?

"Yesterday" is a song by the English rock band the Beatles, written by Paul McCartney and credited to Lennon–McCartney. It was first released on the album Help! in August 1965

Yesterday by roy clark was release 4 years later, and itself a cover of "Hier encore", whose original French title translates as something like "Just yesterday".


Am I missing your point?!!

They were on the charts at the same time. Roy Clarks was on both country and rock and roll. In my opinion it's a better song.