"Canadian" as a code word.

[innocentguy]

good rule, know enough mixed race people that I'd have no idea what their background is... personally I'm a european mut, a lil bit of everything from over there

 

[Pure]

canada v. US.

it is interesting, cloudy, to note that a well known East Indian writer living in Canada moved to the US. she says it's LESS racist. you may *see* more racist statements in US society, but the enforcement of a color barrier, and silent discrimination can be greater in Canada.

it might be said that, historically, Canadians follow the Brits in early on rejecting holding Black people as slaves; but in NOT wanting to mix with them. hence Canada's Black villages.

as far as native persons go, even this breaks down. the rape murder of helen betty osborne, a native teen, a few years back, was not investigated properly, for years. so in some areas of race relations, Canadians are equally or more lethal. THAT SAID, i believe it's true that Canadians exterminated a lower percentage of their "indians" than did the US, e.g. 80% instead of 90%!.

 

[sirhugs]

MAGGOT

If I was a black Canadian I think my choices are 1)smile sourly and accept that life is a vale of tears or 2) hang myself.

Blacks actually tend to be more accepted in Canada than the US, though of course that's a gross generalization - there are poverty issues in thr Haitian immigrant community, and racial issues in the Toronto drug gang wars

 

[Pure]

'accept'

as in "i don't hate you, but i'd rather you didn't live next door-- or stroll through my neighborhood."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

INNOCENT GUY

Youve inspired me to write a new national anthem for Canada: IF IT'S FREE, IT'S FOR ME. The word 'free' is linked to most things Canadians hold dear.

 

[innocentguy]

INNOCENT GUY

Youve inspired me to write a new national anthem for Canada: IF IT'S FREE, IT'S FOR ME. The word 'free' is linked to most things Canadians hold dear.

If it means I don't have to have insurance papers on me before I even get looked at in a hospital I'll take it, and Americans don't exactly complain about free stuff either.... freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, the list goes on and on

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

INNOCENT GUY

From my experiences with Canadians here, they have no money or insurance papers when they go to the doctor. Apparently no one needs money or insurance in Canada.

 

[innocentguy]

haha you're right it's a utopia up here

 

[Pure]

JBJ You've inspired me to write a new national anthem for Canada: IF IT'S FREE, IT'S FOR ME. The word 'free' is linked to most things Canadians hold dear.

i think at tax time, most residents of Canada, France, Holland, Germany, Norway are quite aware of what health services cost.
the higher taxes, so to say, represent 'premiums' on the national insurance.

with the US, there are no such premiums; it's only at emergencies, when you have to sell your house, that you become aware of the true "cost" of health care in the hands of private corporations..

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

PURE

I recall a time when people didnt have health insurance. Fifty years ago, to be exact. Veterans or active military got free medical care, but that was it.

Here's what I see. Twenty years ago, when I stopped doing psychotherapy, you had to be pretty crazy and dangerous to see me. Two psychiatric hospitalizations was the minimum criteria to get an appointment and get the bill covered by Medicaid or insurance.

But now I get kids who dont get along with their sister or brother, and that's their worst problem. Mom wants the brat on meds, too. If the kid fidgits in class, the school wants him on meds. One of my clients, 3 years old, is scheduled for a medication evaluation. I think he acts like a normal 3 year old but mom and daycare want him on meds. A social worker is pestering me to have a 9 year old examined by a neurologist. His problem? He doesnt get along with his brother.

My point is, society has gone apeshit crazy about the necessity to treat every goddamned thing there is.

 

[Boxlicker101]

PURE

I recall a time when people didnt have health insurance. Fifty years ago, to be exact. Veterans or active military got free medical care, but that was it.

Here's what I see. Twenty years ago, when I stopped doing psychotherapy, you had to be pretty crazy and dangerous to see me. Two psychiatric hospitalizations was the minimum criteria to get an appointment and get the bill covered by Medicaid or insurance.

But now I get kids who dont get along with their sister or brother, and that's their worst problem. Mom wants the brat on meds, too. If the kid fidgits in class, the school wants him on meds. One of my clients, 3 years old, is scheduled for a medication evaluation. I think he acts like a normal 3 year old but mom and daycare want him on meds. A social worker is pestering me to have a 9 year old examined by a neurologist. His problem? He doesnt get along with his brother.

My point is, society has gone apeshit crazy about the necessity to treat every goddamned thing there is.

Actually, there was medical insurance, even that long ago. Blue Cross and Blue Shield. I agree that kids are overmedicated. Fifty years ago, there was no such thing as Attention Deficit Disorder. Kids were sometimes naughty and sometimes really active, but these were accepted as being normal states. I can't help thinking that if yu dope some kid up so all he does is sit quietly, you are doing him more harm than good.

 

[Guest]

Actually, there was medical insurance, even that long ago. Blue Cross and Blue Shield. I agree that kids are overmedicated. Fifty years ago, there was no such thing as Attention Deficit Disorder. Kids were sometimes naughty and sometimes really active, but these were accepted as being normal states. I can't help thinking that if yu dope some kid up so all he does is sit quietly, you are doing him more harm than good.

Honestly, Box. How many other diseases or problems were we unaware of fifty years ago? People were dying of polio in the U.S. fifty years ago, for chrissake.

Medical advances are bound to identify more medical problems.

 

[champagne1982]

Young children should be sex segregated in school. It's well documented that different faculties are developed at different ages of boys and girls. Don't push literacy on a child who is ill-equipped to learn it and don't prohibit rambunctious play from the schoolyard.

Psychologists, like those who medicate at the behest of parents and teachers, regardless of the mental health exhibited by the patient should be segregated from society by placing them in with the other psycho- and sociopathic dregs at the bottom of the barrel.

Fucking caucasion phd's.

 

[b-slave]

I've been privey to this "code" for about 10 years now. I learned it from someone raised in southern Ohio.

 

[CharleyH]

Is term 'Canadian' used as racist word?

Email lands Texas district attorney in hot water

Jan 26, 2008 04:30 AM
Brett Popplewell
Toronto Star
Staff Reporter

Is "Canadian" the new black? Perhaps – that is if you're a racist speaking in code.

Recent revelations that the term "Canadian" is being used to replace racist names for black people have got a Texas assistant district attorney into trouble and have left others wondering what exactly it means to be labelled a Canadian in the American south.

Long derogated as weak-kneed liberals with lax laws and funny monopoly money, Canadians have carried a negative connotation in certain regions of America – but not as a replacement for the N-word.

Earlier this week a columnist with the Houston Chronicle uncovered an email from Harris County assistant district attorney Mike Trent who, in a congratulatory note to a junior prosecutor, used the word "Canadians" to describe blacks on a jury.

Trent wrote of the prosecutor in a 2003 email: "He overcame a subversively good defence by Matt Hennessey that had some Canadians on the jury feeling sorry for the defendant and forced them to do the right thing."
Trent's email remained unchallenged by colleagues who received the email, despite there being no actual Canadians on the jury.

But when Trent's office came under scrutiny this month over an unrelated incident, the email was unearthed, leaving Trent open to accusations of bigotry.

Those accusations are grounded in allegations that the use of "Canadians" was in keeping with the definition listed on an online racial slurs database that defines "Canadian" as a masked replacement for the N-word.

In his own defence, Trent said he honestly thought there had been Canadians on the jury and did not understand the negative connotation of the word.

Others, including the columnist with the Houston Chronicle initially thought the reference to Canadians may have been a misspelling of Californians, who are themselves seen to espouse many of the same liberal values as Canadians.

Despite the controversy, Henry Wells, a Texan and media relations officer with the Canadian Consulate General in Dallas, says he has never heard the term used in a racial manner before.

LOL. Canadians have been made fun of for ions. I remember SOUTH PARK. I also recall a couple of great editorials in the late 1980's as free trade was coming about. Americans make fun of Canucks because they can't laugh at themselves. lol. It's obvious, dammit!

Love the article Thanks Pure, lol.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Honestly, Box. How many other diseases or problems were we unaware of fifty years ago? People were dying of polio in the U.S. fifty years ago, for chrissake.

Medical advances are bound to identify more medical problems.

The USA was well aware of polio more than 50 years ago. The first vaccine was developed in 1952.

ADDS is not a medical problem. To the degree that it is a problem at all, it is a psychiatric problem. I will concede there is such a thing;I just believe it is diagnosed much too quickly. What I mean is that a child who is a bit over-rambunctious is sometimes treated when he really needs no treatment, except, maybe, cutting down on sugar.

I a inclined to believe thre is more than a little charlatanism (if there i such a word) among psychiatrists. I say this because I have worked with them and have seen how so many of them are just out for easy money.

I have never actually seen a shrink as a patient. Those I have known, I knew when I was working as a clerk-typist for them. I considered most of them to be pretty whacko. Whether that means anythng or not, I don't now.

 

[Guest]

The USA was well aware of polio more than 50 years ago. The first vaccine was developed in 1952.

ADDS is not a medical problem. To the degree that it is a problem at all, it is a psychiatric problem. I will concede there is such a thing;I just believe it is diagnosed much too quickly. What I mean is that a child who is a bit over-rambunctious is sometimes treated when he really needs no treatment, except, maybe, cutting down on sugar.

I a inclined to believe thre is more than a little charlatanism (if there i such a word) among psychiatrists. I say this because I have worked with them and have seen how so many of them are just out for easy money.

I have never actually seen a shrink as a patient. Those I have known, I knew when I was working as a clerk-typist for them. I considered most of them to be pretty whacko. Whether that means anythng or not, I don't now.

You've never seen a shrink as a patient but you've decided most of them are "whacko"?

I can't really take the rest of your post with any seriousness, either.

But do the research. ADD and ADHD are chemical imbalances in the brain. They ARE a medical issue.

 

[b-slave]

Americans make fun of Canucks because they can't laugh at themselves. lol. It's obvious, dammit!

Dumbest thing I've read all day.

 

[cantdog]

Dumbest thing I've read all day.

You should read around a bit more, then. There've been some damn stupid posts, right on Lit, that put this to shame.

 

[cloudy]

But do the research. ADD and ADHD are chemical imbalances in the brain. They ARE a medical issue.

Thank you! Its also hereditary, so Box....stop making pronouncements on medical conditions you know zero about.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You've never seen a shrink as a patient but you've decided most of them are "whacko"?

I can't really take the rest of your post with any seriousness, either.

But do the research. ADD and ADHD are chemical imbalances in the brain. They ARE a medical issue.

I've never seen a shrink as a patient but I have worked with them as clerical support and read some of their reports on patients. The ones I have known personally always seemed to be a bit whacko, the way they dresed and the way they talked and the way they acted. I was never a client or a patient so they were themselves around me, rather than putting on a professional front.

I realize that ADD and ADHD exist, but I also contend that their diagnoses are made without any scientific supprt, just from what parents and teachers and others say, and that these "witnesses" are often just looking for a way to control the kids.

 

[cloudy]

I've never seen a shrink as a patient but I have worked with them as clerical support and read some of their reports on patients. The ones I have known personally always seemed to be a bit whacko, the way they dresed and the way they talked and the way they acted. I was never a client or a patient so they were themselves around me, rather than putting on a professional front.

I realize that ADD and ADHD exist, but I also contend that their diagnoses are made without any scientific supprt, just from what parents and teachers and others say, and that these "witnesses" are often just looking for a way to control the kids.

Its not just kids that have it. I have adult ADD, so no...its not just a "control" issue.

I'd love for you to live with it, just for a day, and then come back and try to tell us that it doesn't exist, or it's "all in our heads."

eta: if you give the drug for ADHD to a child without it, it will make him hyper as shit....it's a stimulant, not a depressant.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CLOUDY its all in your head, an excuse for some sympathy. Poor baby.

 

[Guest]

I've never seen a shrink as a patient but I have worked with them as clerical support and read some of their reports on patients. The ones I have known personally always seemed to be a bit whacko, the way they dresed and the way they talked and the way they acted. I was never a client or a patient so they were themselves around me, rather than putting on a professional front.

I realize that ADD and ADHD exist, but I also contend that their diagnoses are made without any scientific supprt, just from what parents and teachers and others say, and that these "witnesses" are often just looking for a way to control the kids.

Shall I locate a few scientific links for ya, Box?

You are spouting an opinion without any supporting facts, m'dear. I'm not even going to bother to engage.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

BOX

Insurance companies will pay for ADD and ADHD, so they get diagnosed a lot. The insurance companies wont pay for conduct disorder or oppositional-defiant disorder, so no one ever gets those problems.

Real ADD and ADHD is serious stuff not the piss-ant problems most people report. If you can write a story you dont have ADD or ADHD. You paying attention CLOUDY?