Cane virgin seeking answers

[jm_kaye]

I've been caned, and it hurt more than any other kind of flagellation I've ever experienced. Not in a good way, either. I think I took three strokes before I had to use the safe word. Sorry I can't go into a detailed description, but it was a long time ago.

 

[Homburg]

I'll buy that for a buck, no problem.

I also think there's got to be some mighty weird brain chemistry pitching in.

I do love my crop. It's a very nice English crop I paid about 30 dollars for. It's not an instrument of pain really. More of a power trip for me.

I have a cheap-ass tack shop long bat that I occasionally use for power emphasis. I use it like a swagger stick, which makes me think I should just get a swagger stick.

I have amore expensive fetish shop crop with a long, thick double ply slapper on it. It is NASTY. Hurts like hell. More like a strap with more leverage. That toy is pure pain.

 

[Keroin]

Thanks so much everyone for the speedy reply and detailed answers. I'm going to chew on everything for awhile then I might be back with more questions. You have no idea what an invaluable service you are doing me - stuck on my little rock, as I am.

I would be curious to hear from more "canees" though.

Mil gracias,
Keroin

 

[Keroin]

Oh, and on a non-professional note...

Curiosity has been nudged.

 

[BiBunny]

I have some questions for anyone who has caned or been caned. (Story research). Thanks in advance!

For the canees:

1. Have you ever reached orgasm while being caned and only being caned - not stimulated in any other way?

Yes. It doesn't happen often, though.

2. How would you rate the pain/pleasure of caning to other forms of flogging? (eg, whip, belt, etc)

It's a different kind of sensation. A thicker cane produces a "thuddier" feel, while a thinner cane produces a "stingier" feel.

For the caners:

1. How precisely can you control the amount of force being applied? For example, does caning usually result in torn flesh, blood, etc?

As far as implements to whack people with, canes are probably one of the most easily controlled, in my opinion. Generally, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort on my part to make the other person feel it. I've never torn flesh or made anyone bleed with a cane.

2. What material do you prefer your cane to be made from? Reasons?

At the moment, I've been working with acrylic ones, but that's because they're cheap and easily had.

3. Have you ever caned someone to orgasm with no other form of stimulation?

Nope. But all my canees have been boys, so that might have *something* to do with it.

For both:

Any important details a virgin such as myself should be aware of in regards to canes and caning? (I want my descriptions to be as real as possible).

It's a very intense sensation, but it doesn't always have to be painful, as others have said. I used to be afraid of them myself. We can credit Lit's own Evil Geoff for my lack of fear nowadays.

 

[the captians wench]

For the most part I associate canes with sharp pain. I don't care as much for sharp pain, my tollerance for it isn't as strong so I have a harder time getting to that happy place.

I have orgasmed from canes with out any other stimulation, nor using my trigger word. (I've had a bit of programing so you can walk up to me in a grocery store, whisper my trigger word in just the right pitch and tone and I will be holding my breath trying to keep the people around me un aware of the sudden flood in my panties). Mostly this has happened with sajmboc use, and it happend once using a kendo stick.

My favorite cane type tool would be the sajmboc, just enough thud combined with the sting. But I've been treated with ratan, bamboo, wooden dowel rods, and a various number of other canes.

They are my favorite for marking. They leave such pretty stripey welts.

 

[Keroin]

No. But my orgasm wiring is pretty finicky. This is good info, re:character traits.

Also a very LONG caning with a thin cane will eventually welt up till you're going to bleed if you don't stop. I've been caned to this point and was having what I'd consider a really good time of it - but the top asked me if I wanted to stop and I did. Bleeding wasn't really exciting to me per se, and I figured why complicate my fun. Other people would have gone on, I'm sure. Very interesting. Good to know.

Rattan for sensuousness, delrin for serious pain. The latter because it bruises and cleans well, the former because it's much lighter and I like touching it more myself. I instinctively chose rattan as the material for the story - nice to see it is a favorite with people I consider "experts".

Delayed sensation. With a good hard whack there's a serious delay between impact and pain which isn't present with other implements. The sensation also arcs - it is strong, draws back, and then gets REALLY strong. This is an important detail - thanks.

You can control the force perfectly, so long as you have any real sensitivity and skill.

If you are a brute, the cane is a weapon of ass destruction. Personally, I've put people peacefully to sleep from the strokes when I wanted that effect, and been told that it is better than a back massage. Not to mention the orgasms. It is all how you use it. Whew. This is what I imagined but then, after writing, realized I could be horribly wrong!

Rattan. I've used rattan, bamboo, pine, delrin (a type of plastic), curtain rods, and a few other things. Nothing is as responsive as rattan, and nothing has the sort of controllable deformation that rattan has. It is, simply put, incredible material. Cool!That said, my love for rattan started back when I was doing stickfighting in kali-silat, and later swinging heavy rattan in the SCA. I trained in Arnis for awhile but we used bamboo sticks. Great fun! Nothing quite as satisfying as beating someone with sticks.

I regularly bring my girls to orgasm with the cane. It's called the "rattan vibrator" for a reason. Admittedly, my girls are both multi-orgasmic as all get out, and very easy for me to bring off, but I've also gotten other women to that lovely point with my cane.Good, good, and good. I feel much better about my decisions now.


I lay the strikes along the muscle bellies in the back, and aim for spots where I know trigger-points accumulate. The back? Really? I'm surprised as the sites I researched all warned users away from the back. Mind you, I suppose it would be a bad place for a newbie or a complete twonk to start with.

And, yes, the sessions are not generally short. It would be impossible to "count strokes" because I don't operate that way. Another very important detail - thanks.

A cane is like a bullet. Oooo, I like this! I may work this in somehow. Nice imagery.

As far as implements to whack people with, canes are probably one of the most easily controlled, in my opinion. Generally, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort on my part to make the other person feel it. I've never torn flesh or made anyone bleed with a cane. More good news! Thanks, BB


It's a very intense sensation, but it doesn't always have to be painful, as others have said. I used to be afraid of them myself. We can credit Lit's own Evil Geoff for my lack of fear nowadays. I've yet to meet Evil Geoff.

Again, a million thanks for this. It's reassuring to see my gut instincts were correct and all the nice, telling details have helped round out my understanding.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Ugh! You bring this up when I'm swamped with work? Right now, my "tenure" in Lit is 10 minutes or so at a time as breaks while I work. I can't really take the time right now to respond, but if the thread's still trundling along when I get the time to spend 20-30 minutes pontificating I'll post some thoughts regarding the usage of my favorite implement of ass destruction. God/dess willing, that will be within the next 48 hours or so.

 

[Keroin]

Ugh! You bring this up when I'm swamped with work? Right now, my "tenure" in Lit is 10 minutes or so at a time as breaks while I work. I can't really take the time right now to respond, but if the thread's still trundling along when I get the time to spend 20-30 minutes pontificating I'll post some thoughts regarding the usage of my favorite implement of ass destruction. God/dess willing, that will be within the next 48 hours or so.

LOL. No rush SW, I know all about work interfering with play.

I will patiently await your words of wisdom.

Cheers

 

[Homburg]

The back? Really? I'm surprised as the sites I researched all warned users away from the back. Mind you, I suppose it would be a bad place for a newbie or a complete twonk to start with.

The ass is the most popular target for good reason, but yeah, I work the back a lot. I'm also not hammering away when I do. Avoid the spine, don't hit hard, etc. Easy enough.

And, no, don't try this at home just from reading what I've posted here. There's a helluva lot that goes into what I do. Study, learn, paint your own canvas.

 

[Keroin]

The ass is the most popular target for good reason, but yeah, I work the back a lot. I'm also not hammering away when I do. Avoid the spine, don't hit hard, etc. Easy enough.

And, no, don't try this at home just from reading what I've posted here. There's a helluva lot that goes into what I do. Study, learn, paint your own canvas.

Yes, that makes sense re: the back. And I can see that as being very relaxing. I love a good, deep tissue massage - it drives me spare when a masseuse does not "dig in" hard enough. Thankfully I found A.R.T. and a practitioner with a sadistic streak. (I miss you Dr N!)

Slightly off topic but regarding nerves, pressure points and such: Back home, there's a Chinese doctor all the stunt puppies call "Dr Pain". He's the guy you go to when you really fark yourself up and you have to work the next day, (nothing short of a missing limb gets you a day off). He'll get right into bad sprains with his thumbs and fingers, and manipulate everything, while his victim...er...patient writhes in agony. Hurts like the blazes but it works.

As for me, I don't see any canes in the near future. The best I can hope for is self flagellation with a palm frond. LOL. (It would be funnier if it weren't so true).

 

[Homburg]

Yes, that makes sense re: the back. And I can see that as being very relaxing. I love a good, deep tissue massage - it drives me spare when a masseuse does not "dig in" hard enough. Thankfully I found A.R.T. and a practitioner with a sadistic streak. (I miss you Dr N!)

I've wanted to try ART. It is fascinating stuff. I don't have any active injuries though. I'm just interested in the technique.

Slightly off topic but regarding nerves, pressure points and such: Back home, there's a Chinese doctor all the stunt puppies call "Dr Pain". He's the guy you go to when you really fark yourself up and you have to work the next day, (nothing short of a missing limb gets you a day off). He'll get right into bad sprains with his thumbs and fingers, and manipulate everything, while his victim...er...patient writhes in agony. Hurts like the blazes but it works..

Years and years ago, I was training in Sombo (a Russian martial art), and a guy came in for one class. His name was Dmitri, and he was teensy little guy that happened to be former Spetnaz and a really serious Sombo player. Well, I was the only one what showed up that day, so I got to be the "cheerful" dummy for the maneuvers he was showing my instructor. Well, he got a little aggressive with an arm-bar and hyper-extended my elbow. Yay. I'm fucked, I think, and get holding my arm. He asks if he can work on it and starts poking and prodding, digging and turning. It hurt like a motherfucker. Then he looks at my instructor and asks some question. Before he can answer, Dmitri SLAMS my hand into my shoulder to reset my elbow. Pain.

Really.
Serious.
Pain.

And then the arm was fine. I could feel every spot where he'd dug those bony little fingers in, but no pain at all from the hyper-extension. I still don't think what he did was physically possible, and I was the one he did it too.

 

[Homburg]

As an aside, I do trigger-point work on MIS' bum shoulder when it is acting up.

As a top, it is really my responsibility to know as much as I reasonably can about these things. For me, that means knowing trigger-points, complex anatomy, joint construction, pain management, etc. It helps.

 

[Keroin]

I've wanted to try ART. It is fascinating stuff. I don't have any active injuries though. I'm just interested in the technique.

I've been subject to just about every pain relief therapy on the planet with varying results and none have even come close to ART. My right shoulder, along with hitting stationery objects for over ten years, has been torn in a bad car wreck and had a snow mobile dropped on it. Major scar tissue. In one session*, Dr N got me back to almost 100% mobility. I do need periodic adjustments - especially if I'm very bad and don't do my stretches - but he definitely saved my life.

*He works a lot harder on me than his other clients. Most people would probably need about six sessions for the same result.

I know what you mean about disbelief. It seems counter intuitive to relieve pain by inflicting it but there ya go.

 

[Homburg]

I've been subject to just about every pain relief therapy on the planet with varying results and none have even come close to ART. My right shoulder, along with hitting stationery objects for over ten years, has been torn in a bad car wreck and had a snow mobile dropped on it. Major scar tissue. In one session*, Dr N got me back to almost 100% mobility. I do need periodic adjustments - especially if I'm very bad and don't do my stretches - but he definitely saved my life.

*He works a lot harder on me than his other clients. Most people would probably need about six sessions for the same result.

I know what you mean about disbelief. It seems counter intuitive to relieve pain by inflicting it but there ya go.

Oh, I'm all about inflicting pain to relieve pain. I do myofascial release, foam roller stuff, and use The Stick all the time. I'm just boggled that he treated a hyper-extension that completely.

When my friends used to come over to lift, I was always doing something to them to keep them moving. As a sadist, it was extra fun. Here is a completely societally acceptable way for me to hurt more people, and they ask me to do it. They were always hesitant to do so, because they knew that I had no qualms about making them cry if I needed to, and, well, that hesitance just made it more fun

ART is so cool though. I've heard so many stories about how effective it is. Honestly, were the economy not so shot, I would probably be thinking hard about using my (very unfortunate) excess of personal time to take massage therapist certification courses. My previous second is a massage therapist, and she went on and on about my hands, sensitivity, etc, and how I'd really do well in the field. It is a study that interests me. Eh.

 

[BiBunny]

A.R.T.? Could someone enlighten me? (Asks the girl who doesn't have a joint in her body that isn't screwed up in some way after years of falling off horses.)

 

[Homburg]

A.R.T.? Could someone enlighten me? (Asks the girl who doesn't have a joint in her body that isn't screwed up in some way after years of falling off horses.)

Active Release Therapy. The idea is that you've built up all sorts of adhesions and scar tissue over the years. ART practitioners will (for example) take your arm and physically move it through various ranges of motion while digging in a painful spot with their thumb. It apparently hurts like a sumbitch, as it breaks up adhesions and scar tissues while you're being moved. Fun, eh?

 

[fishercat]

For the canees:

1. Have you ever reached orgasm while being caned and only being caned - not stimulated in any other way?

2. How would you rate the pain/pleasure of caning to other forms of flogging? (eg, whip, belt, etc)

For both:

Any important details a virgin such as myself should be aware of in regards to canes and caning? (I want my descriptions to be as real as possible).

I've only been caned twice, most recently last weekend. Mistress uses a green acrylic cane that is a bit bendy. I've never reached orgasm while being caned, but then again the caning portion of the experience doesn't last all that long.

I like the cane better than most implements, though I wonder if that is because Mistress is still a bit cautious using it on me. It feels more thuddy, like a heavy flogger to me. The initial impact hurts, but then there's the rebound that others have mentioned, which kind of burns to me. Frankly, I far prefer it to the worst implement on my list: the dreaded wooden spoon.

Last weekend I came up with some serious red marks on my bottom from the cane that caused that particular instrument to be put away, as it looked like I would start bleeding if the spot got hit again. The marks are healing very slowly, but unlike some deep bruises which show up sometimes two days after play, the cane marks were there within minutes and didn't change much afterward.

Hope that helps!

 

[BiBunny]

Active Release Therapy. The idea is that you've built up all sorts of adhesions and scar tissue over the years. ART practitioners will (for example) take your arm and physically move it through various ranges of motion while digging in a painful spot with their thumb. It apparently hurts like a sumbitch, as it breaks up adhesions and scar tissues while you're being moved. Fun, eh?

Ah, ok. That makes sense. Thanks!

My problem with the shoulder's not that it doesn't move enough. It's that it moves too much. So I'm reckoning that would be counterintuitive. However, the myofascial release sounds fantastic for the nice, bulging disks in my neck.

/horse person complaining about injuries

 

[Homburg]

Ah, ok. That makes sense. Thanks!

My problem with the shoulder's not that it doesn't move enough. It's that it moves too much. So I'm reckoning that would be counterintuitive. However, the myofascial release sounds fantastic for the nice, bulging disks in my neck.

/horse person complaining about injuries

Myofascial release is for soft-tissue stuff, ie muscular issue. Disks are a different animal. Have they been confirmed as bulging, or is it possible that you have other issues and the assumption is bulging disks?

 

[cemetarygirl]

I agree that caning HURTS and that if you are a newbie to this kind of paly it is not the place to start. I personally enjoy a good caning better than paddles and floggers. I love the sharp pain and then the radiating burn after. I have been caned to the point of leaving bruises along the backs of my thighs and buttocks. I personally enjoyed it immensely but then from what i hear i am of a special breed. I have not ever orgasmed from a caning though, but as another has said... my wiring works funny with things like that.

 

[BiBunny]

Myofascial release is for soft-tissue stuff, ie muscular issue. Disks are a different animal. Have they been confirmed as bulging, or is it possible that you have other issues and the assumption is bulging disks?

Not confirmed. Lack of moolah. We're going on the assumption, which may or may not be correct. Either way, I'm screwed up in lots of ways.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

.... It's a very intense sensation, but it doesn't always have to be painful, as others have said. I used to be afraid of them myself. We can credit Lit's own Evil Geoff for my lack of fear nowadays.

I had to chuckle at the memory this comment brought back. When the Bunz, the Kitty, nh23, Breaker (in his previous incarnation ) and I got together in KY some time back, Bunny was perfectly willing to be the vic... er, *target* for some Florentine flogging and even a tad of fire-cupping, but when the subject of canes came up, she muttered something about the gleam in my eye and respectfully declined...

 

[Kajira Callista]

I had to chuckle at the memory this comment brought back. When the Bunz, the Kitty, nh23, Breaker (in his previous incarnation ) and I got together in KY some time back, Bunny was perfectly willing to be the vic... er, *target* for some Florentine flogging and even a tad of fire-cupping, but when the subject of canes came up, she muttered something about the gleam in my eye and respectfully declined...

I keep tellin ya im not skeered...aint seen you knocking on my door.

 

[BiBunny]

I had to chuckle at the memory this comment brought back. When the Bunz, the Kitty, nh23, Breaker (in his previous incarnation ) and I got together in KY some time back, Bunny was perfectly willing to be the vic... er, *target* for some Florentine flogging and even a tad of fire-cupping, but when the subject of canes came up, she muttered something about the gleam in my eye and respectfully declined...

LOL! I promise, Sir W, next time, you can have at me with your canes.