Cane virgin seeking answers

[myinnerslut]

damn, now i want to be caned.

which is something you never, Never, NEVER would have heard from me a year ago. i was beyond terrified of canes. hard-limit-dont-go-there-safeword-possible territory.

Master broke me into the idea slowly. first we talked about it. then he brought it with him one visit so i could just look at it. i just about vaulted over the bed to get away from it and he wasnt even going to swing it.

eventually my curiosity got ahold of me, and he calmed me down enough that i was willing to try it.

and guess what.. i liked it.

nowadays, i still get nervous... sometimes. other time i very happily flip over onto my stomach revealing my ass, thighs, back, etc. i know that it doesnt entirely count since im multi orgasmic and trained to cum on command, but for what its worth i can cum very easily just from the cane.

the pain varies from a steady thud to a sharp deep penetrating burn. Master has taken to ending a session by giving me several "good" strokes. to remember it by, i suppose . these are the hardest, the most painful, and the ones that mark the best.

i partially dread the fact that they are coming up, and partially enjoy anticipating it. knowing that it will end with some serious pain flavors the whole experience. not really in a bad way. it reminds me that while he can cuase pleasure with the cane he can just as easily cuase pain. it reminds me of my place. it keeps me on my toes.... it also keeps me from falling asleep (yeah, that was me he mentioned above. oops.)

 

[graceanne]

Active Release Therapy. The idea is that you've built up all sorts of adhesions and scar tissue over the years. ART practitioners will (for example) take your arm and physically move it through various ranges of motion while digging in a painful spot with their thumb. It apparently hurts like a sumbitch, as it breaks up adhesions and scar tissues while you're being moved. Fun, eh?

I was going to ask if this would help with arthritis, but then you posted this:

Myofascial release is for soft-tissue stuff, ie muscular issue.

So I guess that answers that.

 

[graceanne]

Chicklet was telling me the cane is awesome, if done correctly. I'm somewhat curious. It was on my HELL NO list, mostly cause it's rare to find pictures of caning that don't involve a BLOODY rear end.

Honestly, from what chicklet tells me, I could probably come from it. I'm (like several other people here, evidently lol) very multi-orgasmic (and K loves that about me), and if done correctly impact play makes me very happy. lol

 

[intothewoods]

I had a particularly memorable scene with canes that still prompts me to want to run when I see a cane. But I know from a subsequent scene with the same top from the ouchy scene, canes can be delightful. That said, I still freak a little when I see them.

 

[Netzach]

I had a particularly memorable scene with canes that still prompts me to want to run when I see a cane. But I know from a subsequent scene with the same top from the ouchy scene, canes can be delightful. That said, I still freak a little when I see them.

FYI, speaking as a Domme, this is where I like 'em.

 

[Keroin]

This has all been fascinating! Thanks so much everyone. I chose the cane in my story for purely aesthetic reasons, then decided I should find out a little bit about them. Interestingly, the image I had in my mind is almost identical to what has been described here, though not as many cane-induced orgasms as I thought there might have been.

To be honest, I know about zilch regarding various BDSM paraphernalia and their various nuances. I'm so happy to have such a diverse and experienced community to educate me.

The idea of getting hit by something doesn't scare me. Excite? Yes - with caveats. Scare? No. Maybe it should? Then again, my fear always comes from circumstance and imagination, not objects, per se. Yet, it's clear the cane inspires a healthy dose of fear/respect across the board. Now that's my kinda toy.

Keroin's getting curious.

 

[Homburg]

Not confirmed. Lack of moolah. We're going on the assumption, which may or may not be correct. Either way, I'm screwed up in lots of ways.

The neck is a complex thing, and bulging discs, misaligned vertebrae and the like are common diagnoses. Not necessarily correct, but common. Soft-tissues problem are frequently misdiagnosed as other things such as disc issues. Regardless, if you do have a disc problem, it can easily spawn soft-tissue ugliness due to muscle tension, residual pain, the way you hold your head to compensate, etc. Some careful soft-tissue work might be a great idea.

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I was going to ask if this would help with arthritis, but then you posted this:



So I guess that answers that.

Much like I told bunz, unsolvable problems like arthritis can cause attendent soft-tissue problems. It might well help, as you could have muscular issues and think that it is all arthritis. Cut down on the soft tissue problems and you might help cut down on t he rest of your pain.


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For anyone interested, and that should be anyone that deals with aches and pains on a regular basis, I VERY STRONGLY suggest Clair Davies' book "The Triggerpoint Therapy Workbook." I got a copy from half.com used and in good condition for around $10 plus S&H.

I have a pdf copy as well, but it is too large to email.

 

[Keroin]

Oh and a few people mentioned stereotypical images of caning that frightened them or turned them off. This is interesting.

I'd have to say I kept my distance from BDSM for most of my life for this very reason. I'd see the leather and the whips and the very fetishy get ups and think, "Wow, I'm a million miles away from that." I wonder how differently my path might have been if I'd known the truth of the scope of BDSM experiences?

Pondering.

 

[graceanne]

Oh and a few people mentioned stereotypical images of caning that frightened them or turned them off. This is interesting.

I'd have to say I kept my distance from BDSM for most of my life for this very reason. I'd see the leather and the whips and the very fetishy get ups and think, "Wow, I'm a million miles away from that." I wonder how differently my path might have been if I'd known the truth of the scope of BDSM experiences?

Pondering.

Oh I hear that! LOL I'm like the stereotypical soccer mom, at least on the surface. Capri's, tshirts, mini-van and a million screaming children. LOL I SO don't scream kinky to the average joe.

 

[Homburg]

I wonder how differently my path might have been if I'd known the truth of the scope of BDSM experiences?

And now you fuck a bird. What a world we live in, eh?

 

[Sir_Winston54]

For the caners:

1. How precisely can you control the amount of force being applied? For example, does caning usually result in torn flesh, blood, etc?

With practice and experience, one can control the amount of force very precisely. As far as the results, you can end up with anything from soft pink stripes that disappear in less than an hour to welts and bruises that take weeks to fade away, to well-broken skin and freely-flowing cut flesh. It all depends on (1) the "toughness" of the target's skin, (2) the amount of force applied, and (3) the material and stiffness of the cane.

2. What material do you prefer your cane to be made from? Reasons?

I'm not picky about materials, as long as it's something that won't break on a solid stroke. I have, and like, rattan, fiberglass, bamboo (well-treated, but I still don't use it for more than moderate-strength strokes).

3. Have you ever caned someone to orgasm with no other form of stimulation?

No... but I've caned them to the point that one touch of the genitals brought them to immediate orgasm. I've heard of, and seen, women who had (or convincingly faked) orgasm, though.

For both:

Any important details a virgin such as myself should be aware of in regards to canes and caning? (I want my descriptions to be as real as possible).

The sensation is, as others have earlier described, multiple for most people. For moderate to strong strokes (gentle strokes have a different feel), there is the initial stroke, which I have heard variously described as piercing, sharp, cold, and hot; then as the flesh underneath the stroke rebounds and "absorbs" that sensation, there is another, separate sensation, often described as burning or intensely hot/painful.

To be honest, though, to describe the sensation(s) of being caned, I think one would have to experience it and use their own reactions/feelings in order to write about it effectively. You can experience at least a semblance of it by using a cane or cane-like device on yourself. The technique involves holding the cane/substitute in your dominant hand with your thumb in toward your hip and the striking portion of the cane pointing behind you. Then a sharp twist of your wrist will provide some idea of the force and sensation of at least a moderate stroke.

More later, perhaps, if there are other questions, or if I think of something I forgot to mention (I'm kinda tired).

 

[Keroin]

Oh I hear that! LOL I'm like the stereotypical soccer mom, at least on the surface. Capri's, tshirts, mini-van and a million screaming children. LOL I SO don't scream kinky to the average joe.

LOL. Love it.

But also, even behind closed doors, none of that stuff attracts me. Do you know what I mean? I'm drawn to things, (in all aspects of my life), that happen organically. I'm not talking about being a hippie, just about being spontaneous. Of course, a little bit of planning is usually necessary but so much of the stereotypical imagery in BDSM suggests very contrived situations. For me, that's a huge turn off.

MacGyver would be a good PYL for me. "Hey, lets see what kind of torture device I can construct out of the items in my pocket. Hm, comb, chewing gum, shoelace, theater ticket stubs..."

And now you fuck a bird. What a world we live in, eh?

My parents never saw that one coming. Ha!

 

[graceanne]

LOL. Love it.

But also, even behind closed doors, none of that stuff attracts me. Do you know what I mean? I'm drawn to things, (in all aspects of my life), that happen organically. I'm not talking about being a hippie, just about being spontaneous. Of course, a little bit of planning is usually necessary but so much of the stereotypical imagery in BDSM suggests very contrived situations. For me, that's a huge turn off.

MacGyver would be a good PYL for me. "Hey, lets see what kind of torture device I can construct out of the items in my pocket. Hm, comb, chewing gum, shoelace, theater ticket stubs..."

I don't do any of the more obvious 'lifestyle' stuff. Fetish wear makes me look like a fat cow and is uncomfortable. We use a lot of household implements because (a) toys are spendy and (b) we have limited space for safely (and by safe I mean the kids can't find 'em) storing them. Honestly, I collect scarves - I have since I was a teenager and they come in VERY handy. lol

 

[Homburg]

LOL. Love it.

But also, even behind closed doors, none of that stuff attracts me. Do you know what I mean? I'm drawn to things, (in all aspects of my life), that happen organically. I'm not talking about being a hippie, just about being spontaneous. Of course, a little bit of planning is usually necessary but so much of the stereotypical imagery in BDSM suggests very contrived situations. For me, that's a huge turn off.

MacGyver would be a good PYL for me. "Hey, lets see what kind of torture device I can construct out of the items in my pocket. Hm, comb, chewing gum, shoelace, theater ticket stubs..."

Barring certain things, I don't spend hours planning scenes. I tend to go as far as thinking that I might want to do some tying later, or think about what sort of toys I might want to bring on a weekend trip. I don't tend to elaborately plan stuff out.

I have done elaborate, thought-out scenes, and they can be fun, but they are very much not my bread and butter. I am more likely to just have an idea or an image that I want to produce, and go from there. So an aspect might be planned, but not details.

 

[LilyBart]

Active Release Therapy. The idea is that you've built up all sorts of adhesions and scar tissue over the years. ART practitioners will (for example) take your arm and physically move it through various ranges of motion while digging in a painful spot with their thumb. It apparently hurts like a sumbitch, as it breaks up adhesions and scar tissues while you're being moved. Fun, eh?

/minor hijack
I deal periodically with neck pain...muscle spasms really...that send me to the massage therapist as an emergency case from time to time. Now I am in no way a serious maso, however my therapist does this thing where she is kneeling on stool as high as the table and forcing her elbow (with all of her body weight) into a very precise spot in my armpit. It hurts like hell. No, worse than hell. Makes me cry-hurt. (And I gave birth more than once without drugs and did not cry). But I love it because I wake up the next morning and can move my neck. My armpit is pretty black and blue, though...
And needless to say, no orgasms come from this...

/end hijack

OT, do not wish to be caned. Or be the caner. I think...mebbee...

I'll get back to you on this after I'm done reading everyone's posts...

~LB

 

[LilyBart]

*****

 

[Arkhilokhus]

You can control the force perfectly, so long as you have any real sensitivity and skill.

If you are a brute, the cane is a weapon of ass destruction. Personally, I've put people peacefully to sleep from the strokes when I wanted that effect, and been told that it is better than a back massage. Not to mention the orgasms. It is all how you use it.

MIS used to be utterly terrified of canes, and listed them as a hard limit before she and I got together. Now the cane is something she finds herself wanting, and even fantasising about.

[...]

*shrug* Most people just swing away with the canes. Whatever. I use a rhythmic drumming style that intersperses drumming and stronger strikes. There is also detail difference in whether you let the cane rest on the skin after the strike, or rebound it instantly. It feels differently (judged form the noises made, not me feeling it personally)

I lay the strikes along the muscle bellies in the back, and aim for spots where I know trigger-points accumulate. It obliterates muscle tension, and causes very deep physical relaxation. I frequently switch hands during the caning sessions, and work different angles. This necessitates moving around the bottom a good bit, but gets the effect that I like. And, yes, the sessions are not generally short. It would be impossible to "count strokes" because I don't operate that way.

And rhythmic drumming or not, I still leave pretty stripes.

I have never been remotely interested in painplay until this post.

*ponders*

 

[Keroin]

With practice and experience, one can control the amount of force very precisely. As far as the results, you can end up with anything from soft pink stripes that disappear in less than an hour to welts and bruises that take weeks to fade away, to well-broken skin and freely-flowing cut flesh. It all depends on (1) the "toughness" of the target's skin, (2) the amount of force applied, and (3) the material and stiffness of the cane. This is particularly relevant for me.

No... but I've caned them to the point that one touch of the genitals brought them to immediate orgasm. I've heard of, and seen, women who had (or convincingly faked) orgasm, though. You've given me an excellent idea, thanks!!

To be honest, though, to describe the sensation(s) of being caned, I think one would have to experience it and use their own reactions/feelings in order to write about it effectively. You can experience at least a semblance of it by using a cane or cane-like device on yourself. The technique involves holding the cane/substitute in your dominant hand with your thumb in toward your hip and the striking portion of the cane pointing behind you. Then a sharp twist of your wrist will provide some idea of the force and sensation of at least a moderate stroke. Well, for now I'll rely on my imagination but if that fails...LOL.

More later, perhaps, if there are other questions, or if I think of something I forgot to mention (I'm kinda tired).Get some rest! I've gotten more than enough info.

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer me, SW. I may tap your brain in the future but I think I'm good for now.

Many, many thanks!

 

[Keroin]

Barring certain things, I don't spend hours planning scenes. I tend to go as far as thinking that I might want to do some tying later, or think about what sort of toys I might want to bring on a weekend trip. I don't tend to elaborately plan stuff out.

I have done elaborate, thought-out scenes, and they can be fun, but they are very much not my bread and butter. I am more likely to just have an idea or an image that I want to produce, and go from there. So an aspect might be planned, but not details.

I wanted to mention this yesterday but didn't have time...

I don't make any judgments regarding people's choices or preferences in BDSM. Heck, I can happily stare at fish for hours and I doubt many people on this board would consider that fun on any level. I'm just happy to realize there's a place for me and I don't have to wrap myself in leather and wear shoes that threaten ankle sprains to get there.

Having said that, here's something that bothers me. While exploring online, I discovered there is a nightclub back home that has BDSM themed nights once a week and events every few months. Awesome! I love to dance and I thought it would be a fun environment of like-minded people to hang out in. I thought when I was next in town I might check it out.

Nope.

Reading further down, the rules specifically state that everyone must be in fetish wear or they won't be permitted entry. Ignoring the fact that lugging around fetish costumes as I travel would be a complete waste of precious suitcase space, I don't have a fetish. What would I wear? I guess I could put my mask and snorkel on and carry my reef fish identification book around with me all evening but somehow I don't think that's what they had in mind. (Plus, my face would get too sweaty).

I understand the reason behind the rule but it still feels exclusionary. I feel like I'm back in junior high again, with all the wrong clothes and all the popular kids making fun of me. Sigh.

 

[Homburg]

Reading further down, the rules specifically state that everyone must be in fetish wear or they won't be permitted entry. Ignoring the fact that lugging around fetish costumes as I travel would be a complete waste of precious suitcase space, I don't have a fetish. What would I wear? I guess I could put my mask and snorkel on and carry my reef fish identification book around with me all evening but somehow I don't think that's what they had in mind. (Plus, my face would get too sweaty).

I understand the reason behind the rule but it still feels exclusionary. I feel like I'm back in junior high again, with all the wrong clothes and all the popular kids making fun of me. Sigh.

I can't speak for your club, but I'm a member of a club like that. In my case, fetish wear is generally black jeans and a black button-up shirt. Whee. The girls tend to dress up a bit, but not fetishy per se. If asked, and it's only happened once, the fetish-wear is in the bag. The rope bag. When I go, the girls lose various pieces of apparel, and gain rope. That has always been enough around here. No clue if it will be where you are, as I know some places are very strict about that.

Me? I'm not into going to those places. Much like you, I don't have a clothing fetish. My "fetish" involvement is by deed, not by costume.

 

[jm_kaye]

I think those rules are put in place mainly to discourage the tourists and other looky-loos. As long as you look like you're making an effort to blend in, you'll probably be okay.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

I think those rules are put in place mainly to discourage the tourists and other looky-loos. As long as you look like you're making an effort to blend in, you'll probably be okay.

So if I wear neat but ordinary every-day clothes (probably in black/charcoal), but have a pair of matched floggers hanging from my belt, they'd probably let me in?

 

[myinnerslut]

So if I wear neat but ordinary every-day clothes (probably in black/charcoal), but have a pair of matched floggers hanging from my belt, they'd probably let me in?

yep probably.

its a hell of a lot easier for guys then girls, and it isnt that tough for girls.

wear something a bit gothy or showy, and you will be fine. thats my formula, and i have never had a problem with it.

 

[Keroin]

So if I wear neat but ordinary every-day clothes (probably in black/charcoal), but have a pair of matched floggers hanging from my belt, they'd probably let me in?

I thought about wearing a coconut bra but they're just so darn itchy.

Overheard in nightclub on fetish night: "Don't go near the blonde in the snorkel gear, she keeps scratching her breasts. I think she has a rash."

 

[Keroin]

I think those rules are put in place mainly to discourage the tourists and other looky-loos. As long as you look like you're making an effort to blend in, you'll probably be okay.

See, that's the part that bothers me. I know my reaction is irrational but I just don't like the expectation that I must conform to a standard.

But it's really not that big of a deal. I only get out once or twice a year and there are plenty of fun places to shake one's booty without worrying about a dress code.