Carson lied again. NO WEST POINT SCHOLARSHIP.

[Sean Renaud]

Agreed. And I will add this:

5. "He prayed to God (a recurrent theme in his book) to help guide to the answers."

I'm as atheist as the next guy. Hey fuck that I'm twice as atheist as the next guy. If people who prayed to God for answers were DQed we wouldn't have enough people to run a gas station.

Hell I've had tough patches where I've asked for God, Allah, Zeus, Thor, Yoda, Sauron, Princess Celestia, He-Man and Chuck Norris to help me out and I'd read their books, movies, cartoons and spread the Gospel of the third fist (may it remain hidden in his beard) if they would.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I'm as atheist as the next guy. Hey fuck that I'm twice as atheist as the next guy. If people who prayed to God for answers were DQed we wouldn't have enough people to run a gas station.

Hell I've had tough patches where I've asked for God, Allah, Zeus, Thor, Yoda, Sauron, Princess Celestia, He-Man and Chuck Norris to help me out and I'd read their books, movies, cartoons and spread the Gospel of the third fist (may it remain hidden in his beard) if they would.

Try asking friends and family they are more likely to hear you ;-) j/k

Sure. There are no atheists in fox holes as they say. But living a life governed by the perceived intercession of a sometimes nice, sometimes mean invisible spirit is something that needs to be very carefully considered in the character of the person who wants that chair in the Oval Office.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Don't forget the General was not in Michigan the weekend that Carson said this dinner took place.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt77phjQ9f1qdlkgg.gif

 

[Sean Renaud]

I sure won't ask Chuck Norris again. He sent me an email of him crouching ready to strike and said I shouldn't use his name in vain.

The bottom line here is I live in a country where the overwhelming majority of people believe in the Sky Tyrant. To date every single President has. JFK stands out as a Catholic. Romney caught shit not for NOT believing in the Sky Tyrant but for believing in some kinda weird sequel that most people think is non-cannon. Kinda like Terminator 3. IT DIDNT HAPPEN!

 

[sr71plt]

Don't forget the General was not in Michigan the weekend that Carson said this dinner took place.

First time I've seen that. Citation, please, that Carson claims a time frame and Westmoreland's publicly available schedule contradicts it. Not that I wouldn't believe it's not true, but forum folks here have shown to be much more interested in witch hunting--all along the political spectrum--than in fact checking.

And people wonder why better candidates don't stand up to run for president . . .

 

[Wrong Element]

Don't forget the General was not in Michigan the weekend that Carson said this dinner took place.

That's an easy detail to get wrong after the fact. But the rest of his story is obvious self-puffery.


And (addressing some other comments in this thread) this notion that Westmoreland could have personally arranged for Carson to get into West Point conflicts with everything I've read about the military academy appointment process these last few days. What if Westmoreland had done something like that for every promising ROTCer in high school that he met? There wouldn't be room for anyone else. I just don't believe it happened. I doubt much more happened than Carson and the general shaking hands.

 

[Aglaopheme]

First time I've seen that. Citation, please, that Carson claims a time frame and Westmoreland's publicly available schedule contradicts it. Not that I wouldn't believe it's not true, but forum folks here have shown to be much more interested in witch hunting--all along the political spectrum--than in fact checking.

And people wonder why better candidates don't stand up to run for president . . .

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ns-westmoreland-story-match-records/75328960/

Carlisle, Pa. — Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson’s published account of having dinner with a top commander in the Vietnam War after marching in a Memorial Day parade in 1969 as a high school ROTC cadet in Detroit does not match historical records.

In Carson’s 1990 best-selling autobiography, “Gifted Hands: The Ben Carson Story,” the neurosurgeon tells of being offered a scholarship to West Point as a high school senior sometime after having dinner with the U.S. Army’s chief of staff, Gen. William Westmoreland, on Memorial Day 1969.

But Westmoreland’s personal schedule shows the general was not in Detroit on Memorial Day or during the days preceding and following the holiday. His schedule says he was in and around Washington, D.C., that weekend, according to Army archives The Detroit News reviewed Friday.

 

[sr71plt]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ns-westmoreland-story-match-records/75328960/

OK, thanks. I think I'm just going to back out of this thread, though. The folks here just want minutia to harp on--on all sides of the spectrum. It's no wonder we can't get people with qualifications to step up to running. People (mostly those with no involvement with what this site is--an erotica story site) just come here to moan and groan ineffectively and irrelevantly to the Web site. Zealously partisan, with blinders on.

 

[sr71plt]

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And (addressing some other comments in this thread) this notion that Westmoreland could have personally arranged for Carson to get into West Point conflicts with everything I've read about the military academy appointment process these last few days. What if Westmoreland had done something like that for every promising ROTCer in high school that he met? There wouldn't be room for anyone else. I just don't believe it happened. I doubt much more happened than Carson and the general shaking hands.

You don't believe it because you don't want to believe it. Members of congress personally control 2,675 slots at West Point at any given moment (with similar slots controlled at two other service academies too--actually three, including the Merchant Marine Academy). As I noted before, are you so naive as to think they fill all these slots without using high-ranking Army generals as scouters?

Perhaps you are--there seems to be a whole lot of naivete about the actual functioning of the U.S. government going on on this thread. A whole lot of Laz-Y-Boy Sunday-morning coaching.

Once again, going after Carson on his memory of this from when he was 19 when there's a whole lot of clear-cut nuttiness you could go after, just makes you look like petty, zealously partisan vultures.

 

[dan_c00000]

I sure won't ask Chuck Norris again. He sent me an email of him crouching ready to strike and said I shouldn't use his name in vain.

The bottom line here is I live in a country where the overwhelming majority of people believe in the Sky Tyrant. To date every single President has. JFK stands out as a Catholic. Romney caught shit not for NOT believing in the Sky Tyrant but for believing in some kinda weird sequel that most people think is non-cannon. Kinda like Terminator 3. IT DIDNT HAPPEN!

I know right? If only the people who founded the country decided it really didn't matter which god or gods you chose to believe not believe in.

Could you imagine a political candidate, from any major party, when asked a question about believing in the great dude in the sky say "It's personal and has no bearing on my -or anyone else's- ability to lead the country"?

I think the GOP base would die.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The Dems would be a half step behind.

Anyway I vote we table this conversation until new poll data is available! Or a new story breaks cuz bored now!

 

[Wrong Element]

You don't believe it because you don't want to believe it. Members of congress personally control 2,675 slots at West Point at any given moment (with similar slots controlled at two other service academies too--actually three, including the Merchant Marine Academy). As I noted before, are you so naive as to think they fill all these slots without using high-ranking Army generals as scouters?

Perhaps you are--there seems to be a whole lot of naivete about the actual functioning of the U.S. government going on on this thread. A whole lot of Laz-Y-Boy Sunday-morning coaching.

Once again, going after Carson on his memory of this from when he was 19 when there's a whole lot of clear-cut nuttiness you could go after, just makes you look like petty, zealously partisan vultures.

1. Yeah, generals in the middle of a war have nothing better to do than "scout" for West Point.

There are any number of current and former congressional staffers out there who can speak to this subject, but I guess they're naive too.


2. This all happened in 1969, but keep in mind that when Carson wrote his book, this was all only 20 years in his past. And I repeat what I said before: there's no way someone wouldn't have an awfully acute memory of the most famous (or notorious) general of his era talking to him about West Point.

3. This is merely the current controversy. Depending on how long Carson's campaign is viable, I expect he will give me plenty of insanity to talk about.

Probably not to you, though.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

OK, thanks. I think I'm just going to back out of this thread, though. The folks here just want minutia to harp on--on all sides of the spectrum. It's no wonder we can't get people with qualifications to step up to running. People (mostly those with no involvement with what this site is--an erotica story site) just come here to moan and groan ineffectively and irrelevantly to the Web site. Zealously partisan, with blinders on.

Guy...all the absolute bullshit Obama had to soak up for years just for him basically living through two tours of duty that we all had to grind through just to enjoy the momentary hurricane eye spaces of sanity and peace...and now you're just getting über verklempt over Carson taking his duly wannabe presidential candidate lumps over his bedtime fairytale bullshit?

pffffft! Let him roast. He ain't worth your heart attack over this.

 

[RobDownSouth]

As I noted before, are you so naive as to think they fill all these slots without using high-ranking Army generals as scouters?

I seriously doubt you ever served in the US military. You seem to be unable or unwilling to grasp the concept of "stay in your lane".

The American military has their own special pipeline to funnel their preferred designates into West Point. It is restricted to the sons and daughters of career military and also certain US army enlisted. Google "USMA Prep" if you don't believe me.

Your conjecture that Army generals somehow function as "scouts" for Congress is ludicrous and not grounded in reality.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

*bangs head against wall*

(Not, as if this was unexpected...)


"Ben Carson seems to believe, like other show folk, that there's no such thing as bad publicity, and his rightblogger friends rallied to reinforce that perception."

"...Rightbloggers looked at the number and peculiarity of the stories and had to admit what was now undeniable: Liberal Media has it in for Ben Carson, and this was good news for Ben Carson.

"...the liberal mainstream media will do or say anything to keep a black conservative out of the White House.”

"Meanwhile Donald Trump, fresh from a highly rated Saturday Night Live appearance, returned to TV Sunday morning to imply that Carson is nuts. Don’t feel bad for Carson, though: He announced that, thanks to the “biased media,” his campaign took in $3.5 million last week. At this point, who knows whether he’s bullshitting. But, just as top televangelists could once upon a time raise a bundle by claiming God was threatening to take them away, it's very possible that Carson can raise a bundle by claiming Liberal Media is doing the same to him — especially when he’s got so many unpaid assistants to help him rattle that cup."

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/wi...htbloggers-rage-against-liberal-media-7892163

 

[RobDownSouth]

Carson, who has no public record to run on, and instead has been relying upon his dandy life story as his sole qualification to be president, announced he is no longer answerin' questions about the veracity of this dandy life story.

Go jump in a lake he sez.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Carson, who has no public record to run on, and instead has been relying upon his dandy life story as his sole qualification to be president, announced he is no longer answerin' questions about the veracity of this dandy life story.

Go jump in a lake he sez.

Oh goodie! I'd really like to hear more on exactly what China is doing in Syria.