Carson lied again. NO WEST POINT SCHOLARSHIP.

[sr71plt]

I don't care that much. I was just reporting what they said on the news, which included a statement that politico.com had retracted the story, which seems odd if what you say is true. Are you sure the quote is valid.

And being well behind the discussion here. Is there a reason you feel you need to scream at us with the bolding?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yes I am 100% certain. The quote is valid. I am staring at the book as I type this. Also politico didn't retract the story, they made a correction that amounted to we didn't phrase it a way that was 100% clear.

I don't care that much. I was just reporting what they said on the news, which included a statement that politico.com had retracted the story, which seems odd if what you say is true. Are you sure the quote is valid.

(Reposted cus quotes don't show up when you quote.)

Sorry, I forget the precise rules on how properly cite a book so forgive me.

Gifted Hands
Chapter 7
page 67
Paragraph 4 (Or five, do you count only paragraphs that start on that page? If so it's 4, if the tail of paragraph counts it's five)

At the end of my twelfth grade I marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade. I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, we had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present. More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterwar, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westermoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I don't care that much. I was just reporting what they said on the news, which included a statement that politico.com had retracted the story, which seems odd if what you say is true. Are you sure the quote is valid.

You're mistaken. Politico changed one word ("fabricated") and stands behind its story. Most of the lame-stream media has suddenly become aware in the last 24 hours of "Doctor" Carson's problem with truthiness.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

It is honestly too funny seeing idiots try to discredit someone so esteemed, who honestly has no shot at being president simply because:

A:They are retarded
B: their candidate is actually a liar
C: blind partisanship/ herd mentality
D: all of the above

Anyone with a ounce of integrity and intelligence would call this what is it. A obvious political lie meant to slander from a hack news source no one take seriously.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Except for the part where it's not a lie.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

I have been reading about Ben Carson's push back against fact checkers.

It appears that Ben Carson is telling tall tales.

What Ben Carson has said, or allowed to be printed about himself, is either true, or not true.



"Even if all the media tries to shut you down—which they have tried very much to do with me. But they can't because the good Lord has provided me with mechanisms like my syndicated column and like Fox News. We'd be Cuba if there were no Fox News."

- Ben Carson, speaking at the Richard Nixon library on October 19, 2014


"They can twist and turn things as much as they want. But what they don't understand—and they miscalculated. They were doing a great job in terms of fundamentally changing this nation. In terms of infiltrating the school systems. In terms of infiltrating the media. All of this—they've done a great job. Everything was perfect. Except they underestimated the intelligence of the American people. The people are not as stupid as they think they are. Many of them are stupid. Okay. But I'm talking about overall."


video at this link

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/in-speech-ben-carson-says-many-americans-are-stupid

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/06/ben...nt_believe_that_you_used_to_work_on_fox_news/



"Dr. Carson, you said it!” Camerota said in her defense. “Dr. Carson, I’m quoting — I’m not even quoting you, I’m playing your words. You are the person who said there are a lot of people who are stupid and without Fox News, we would be Cuba.”


- Alisyn Camerota

Ben Carson ran to Breitbart News’ Sirius XM radio program to continue his attack on the librul media.

“I am going to fight CNN tooth and nail,” Carson said. “They will see, believe me, they will see.”

CNN is “coming from a place falsehood,” Carson added. “I’m coming from a place of truth, and truth always wins.”


http://www.salon.com/2015/11/06/ben...nt_believe_that_you_used_to_work_on_fox_news/



Truth appears to be winning. And the truth is not on Ben Carson's side.


(I will go with the Snopes version.)

 

[sr71plt]

Except they underestimated the intelligence of the American people. The people are not as stupid as they think they are. Many of them are stupid. Okay. But I'm talking about overall."

Unfortunately, in terms of the folks attracted to Carson as a political leader (as opposed to a surgeon), I think they are as stupid as I think they are.

 

[about_average]

An outstanding black student in 69/70? A whole lot of cachet that wouldn't be quantified in money terms (doesn't need to be. West Point is an adjunct of the U.S. government).

1000 blacks have graduated from West Point, the first in 1877.
Until the early 70's it averaged around 10 a year. So I don't think one more wouldn't have really made that much difference.
In any case, the reason sports recruiters go after promising HS students is to bring money in to the college coffers.
Carson attending West Point wouldn't have gained West Point anything.

On the other hand, deciding to not go to West Point because he decided he wanted to go in to medicine is a little odd, assuming he was a top student, because you can study premed and then the Army sends you to med-school. Provided you're a top student.

 

[about_average]

Maybe, it's been a while. The minature women always go hand and hand with Mothra and can summon him. The thing is there is actually a Mothra movie and I only saw that for the first time a few years ago

Yeah, I was talking about the movie, "Mothra". I first saw it on TV in the 60's, but have a copy on DVD (or maybe VHS) and that's when I saw the wardrobe malfunction. It was so quick I had to go back and watch it in slo-mo

 

[sr71plt]

1000 blacks have graduated from West Point, the first in 1877.
Until the early 70's it averaged around 10 a year. So I don't think one more wouldn't have really made that much difference.

You're free to think that, if you like, and you must have a burr under your saddle on this to have researched it (assuming you didn't just make it up). But maybe you just weren't here in 69/70 to see the dancing around the U.S. government was doing on race issues.

Even in private academia. My university, which hadn't had a single black in an undergraduate class since 1826 when I graduated in 1968 was all over itself on black recruitment in 69/70.

 

[someoneyouknow]

You're free to think that, if you like, and you must have a burr under your saddle on this to have researched it (assuming you didn't just make it up). But maybe you just weren't here in 69/70 to see the dancing around the U.S. government was doing on race issues.

Even in private academia. My university, which hadn't had a single black in an undergraduate class since 1826 when I graduated in 1968 was all over itself on black recruitment in 69/70.

On a related note, I was at the Air Force Academy in Colorado last month. Just inside the gate they have a B-52 on display. Below it are a series of information boards detailing the founding of the academy, pivotal events, people who served and so on.

One thing they were very keen on pointing out was the Air Force was at the forefront of racial integration, having the first black graduate(s) which took place before the time you mention. They entered in 1959 and graduated in 1963.

 

[sr71plt]

One thing they were very keen on pointing out was the Air Force was at the forefront of racial integration, having the first black graduate(s) which took place before the time you mention. They entered in 1959 and graduated in 1963.

My university didn't admit women as undergraduates until 1972.

 

[someoneyouknow]

Looks like Ben has told another lie. He claims in his book to have been told he was the most honest student in a class at Yale. The storyline, from the below posted link, goes like this:

"Mr. Carson writes of a Yale psychology professor who told Mr. Carson, then a junior, and the other students in the class—identified by Mr. Carson as Perceptions 301—that their final exam papers had “inadvertently burned,” requiring all 150 students to retake it. The new exam, Mr. Carson recalled in the book, was much tougher. All the students but Mr. Carson walked out.

The professor came toward me. With her was a photographer for the Yale Daily News who paused and snapped my picture,” Mr. Carson wrote. “‘A hoax,’ the teacher said. ‘We wanted to see who was the most honest student in the class.’” Mr. Carson wrote that the professor handed him a $10 bill."

However, The (Wall Street) Journal spoke with Yale Librarian Claryn Spies, who said that there was never a class called Perceptions 301 at the school, and a search of YDN turned up no sign of such a picture.​

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ben-carson-may-lied-being-192522683.html

 

[Adre]

It is honestly too funny seeing idiots try to discredit someone so esteemed, who honestly has no shot at being president simply because:

A:They are retarded
B: their candidate is actually a liar
C: blind partisanship/ herd mentality
D: all of the above

Anyone with a ounce of integrity and intelligence would call this what is it. A obvious political lie meant to slander from a hack news source no one take seriously.

We will see who the idiot really is in the coming weeks. Defenders can end up being stupid too.

 

[sr71plt]

"Mr. Carson writes of a Yale psychology professor who told Mr. Carson, then a junior, and the other students in the class—identified by Mr. Carson as Perceptions 301—that their final exam papers had “inadvertently burned,” requiring all 150 students to retake it. The new exam, Mr. Carson recalled in the book, was much tougher. All the students but Mr. Carson walked out.
​

I've seen that. I can't figure out what it has to do with honesty, though.​

 

[Sean Renaud]

I've seen that. I can't figure out what it has to do with honesty, though.

I'm not gonna copy out the entire chapter because A) plagiarism and B) lazy. Ah who the fuck am I kidding. A) Lazy. B)- AAA) Lazy. AAB) plagiarism. However the way he recalls it breaks down roughly as such.

Students read a notice (location undisclosed) that their tests had been burned and needed to be retaken in an auditorium and X time. Upon arriving the teacher issued out the tests and then left the room. The students look at the test and mumble variants on "holy shit this is impossible." Carson states that he believed a gifted psychologist would have difficulty answering them let alone a student. Well one by one the students decide "fuck this, nobody is watching. Let's just leave, pretend we didn't read the notice and they'll have to reissue the test later after we've had time to prep. After half an hour all the other students had decided to lie about having read the notice. Not Carson. Carson had read the notice and his moral compass wouldn't allow him to pretend that he hadn't. He prayed to God (a recurrent theme in his book) to help guide to the answers. A while later the teacher and photographer walk in and congratulate him.

So essentially it was a secret test of character and he passed. Assuming the tale is true which is coming into question obviously.

I'm. . .unable to logic my way around this one at the moment but I'll wait for more facts. Because my original point remains in my mind. When I'm the last son of Krypton, heir to a lost legacy, savior of Earth and general wrecker of your shit you know what I don't bother doing? Lying about how I placed second in the Smallville Spelling Bee. It simply doesn't make sense to do.

 

[LillyO]

It is honestly too funny seeing idiots try to discredit someone so esteemed, who honestly has no shot at being president simply because:

A:They are retarded
B: their candidate is actually a liar
C: blind partisanship/ herd mentality
D: all of the above

Anyone with a ounce of integrity and intelligence would call this what is it. A obvious political lie meant to slander from a hack news source no one take seriously.

No there is plenty of reasons not to vote for him beyond this.




1. the pyramids were used to store grain
2. Tithing should replace the income tax
3. Abortion= slavery
4. Holocaust was cause by German gun laws.


Those are only the few I know of is pretty sure there are 100 more examples I’m not.

 

[sr71plt]

Students read a notice (location undisclosed) that their tests had been burned and needed to be retaken in an auditorium and X time. Upon arriving the teacher issued out the tests and then left the room. The students look at the test and mumble variants on "holy shit this is impossible." Carson states that he believed a gifted psychologist would have difficulty answering them let alone a student. Well one by one the students decide "fuck this, nobody is watching. Let's just leave, pretend we didn't read the notice and they'll have to reissue the test later after we've had time to prep. After half an hour all the other students had decided to lie about having read the notice. Not Carson. Carson had read the notice and his moral compass wouldn't allow him to pretend that he hadn't. He prayed to God (a recurrent theme in his book) to help guide to the answers. A while later the teacher and photographer walk in and congratulate him.

Thanks. That connects the dots.

 

[about_average]

You're free to think that, if you like, and you must have a burr under your saddle on this to have researched it (assuming you didn't just make it up).

Of course I researched it. You made the claim that it would have been a real coup for West Point to have Carson as a student and guarantee him a seat even before he applied, without providing any reasoning to back it up.
I wanted to see if your narrative fit the known facts which, in my view, it doesn't.

In the end it doesn't really amount to much other than, if Carson is so brilliant, what's his need to add all the embellishments to his life story?
I don't believe for a second that he misunderstood.

 

[RobDownSouth]

No there is plenty of reasons not to vote for him beyond this.




1. the pyramids were used to store grain
2. Tithing should replace the income tax
3. Abortion= slavery
4. Holocaust was cause by German gun laws.


Those are only the few I know of is pretty sure there are 100 more examples I’m not.

Another day, another Carson embellishment....
Carson's sketchy claim that he sheltered white friends during race riots following MLK's assassination

I'm sure that VaticanAssassin will be along shortly to deflect attention from Carson.

 

[sr71plt]

Of course I researched it. You made the claim that it would have been a real coup for West Point to have Carson as a student and guarantee him a seat even before he applied, without providing any reasoning to back it up.

Your research doesn't, for a nanosecond, dispute that recruiting outstanding black students for West Point in the 69/70 time frame was a high government priority. It doesn't make a hell of a difference how many black students went there at other times.

Again, why are you majoring in the minors on this? There are real, relevant issues to go after Carson on. You're just being petty.

 

[about_average]

Your research doesn't, for a nanosecond, dispute that recruiting outstanding black students for West Point in the 69/70 time frame was a high government priority. It doesn't make a hell of a difference how many black students went there at other times.

I never said they weren't recruiting.

You said it would be a highly positive achievement for them to get him, similar to a college snagging a high profile HS fullback or the like so they would guarantee spots to people who hadn't even expressed interest or applied.

You haven't provided any evidence that they have other than just making the claim.
If you ever do, I'll stand corrected.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

I see. Now that they retracted the part where he's said he "applied" people want to ignore that and move on to me something else while never admiting how stupid they are....

Ok, I will bite.

Let's start with the pyramid story.


I personally do not think his theory is correct. But considering the amount of people who think aliens built them I will live with it.

Trying to make it a "story" is rather comical.

Hey, but if it was not for people believing a joke of a news source he wouldn't have raised so much $ this week. So carry on low IQ sheep!

 

[Sean Renaud]

I see. Now that they retracted the part where he's said he "applied" people want to ignore that and move on to me something else while never admiting how stupid they are....

Ok, I will bite.

Let's start with the pyramid story.


I personally do not think his theory is correct. But considering the amount of people who think aliens built them I will live with it.

Trying to make it a "story" is rather comical.

Hey, but if it was not for people believing a joke of a news source he wouldn't have raised so much $ this week. So carry on low IQ sheep!

Because people weren't stupid. Carson gave fals information and has since admitted it. I've stated several times I think it was an innocent mistake but it was a mistake nonetheless.

The number of people who think the by aliens is pretty damn low. The number of whom I would voluntarily put in charge of feeding my goldfish is pretty much zero. That's grade A crazy and you have to wonder what other craziness he believes before you'd put him in a position power.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Waaaaah! Carson is competing with Trump! for attention. Carson is using some of the same attention whoring tactics, as Trump!

Outrageous claims, insults, insane opinions, falsehoods, exaggeration.

And claims to being victimized!

gsgs comment-

For shame Democrats ! Are you not aware that there are more important matters to attend to, than debunking the dishonest claims of someone that has ambitions to sit in the Presidential chair ?

/end gsgs comment

The fibs that puff Carson's image up, all fall apart, and he invents new, fictitious boasts.

On national television, making a promise that there will be proof (in a few days, when the interest dies down.) of his claims to admirable fame, after he was caught in a lie.

"Does not hold up to scrutiny," say the media stars.

Carson is stripping off his legitimacy, and people are paying money to
listen to him sing the tunes they want to hear.

Oh, my, how the campaign money rolls in!

"Ben Carson is doing that thing again where he lets extremely stupid words come out of his mouth, and then defends them because anyone criticizing him is a tool of the oppressive politically correct agenda that is ruining America."

http://wonkette.com/595327/presiden...pate-unborned-babies-from-uterine-plantations