Casual observations...

[BigTopBedlam]

What about my statement was Marxist?

https://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2018/05/the-essence-of-cultural-marxism-no-truth-only-power.html

"One way of interpreting this is to say that the moral value of an action depends on who is doing it to whom."

 

[AlwaysFara]

ToPleaseHim, can we please get this thread moved to Talk?

 

[gracie920101]

ToPleaseHim, can we please get this thread moved to Talk?

I second the motion!

 

[seela]

ToPleaseHim, can we please get this thread moved to Talk?

I second the motion!

I don't know.

This started as a bdsm topic but at the moment it's just about people not feeling free to say whatever they want to say IRL and Marxism. I'm not sure that makes this a bdsm discussion that would warrant a move to Talk. Although talking about politics and such here definitely is a form of sadomasochism, so who knows.

I think the first observations about bdsm stuff and how msubs are viewed might provide an interesting topic for conversation!

 

[Mei5ter]

I don't know.

This started as a bdsm topic but at the moment it's just about people not feeling free to say whatever they want to say IRL and Marxism. I'm not sure that makes this a bdsm discussion that would warrant a move to Talk. Although talking about politics and such here definitely is a form of sadomasochism, so who knows.

I think the first observations about bdsm stuff and how msubs are viewed might provide an interesting topic for conversation!

Agreed.

Though while I like a little humiliation play as much as the next sadistic pervert, I’m not sure I could be cruel enough as to make someone spend half an hour on the GB. Imagine the aftercare needed...

 

[AlwaysFara]

I’m happy she moved it. Thanks, TPH.

 

[SissySalina]

The orginal Question

this is sissy's response to the original question without the political aspect.

1. In the BDSM section there is a lot of BDSM folks.

2. sissy is a male sub to Her (Female Dom) and there is a lot of BDSM :caning: going on around here. sissy stories which favor the male sub being subjected to a lot of :caning::caning: BDSM by a Female Dom.

3. This sissy usually only makes good comments on stories or may make constructive comments but does not bash a story. Each has their own style so what is good to sissy is not necessarily good to someone else but that does not make the story bad.

4. sissy is a middle of the road type. Yes there are a vocal group and that is what you see. If sissy had sissy's way race would be eliminated and not allowed from anyone. There are raciest people out there that swear they are not, racism not just one sided, promoting a specific race is racism not just calling for another race to be vanquished.

 

[bushyTrail]

That there is the problem with "intellectual discussion". When both participants are committed to figuring out what the truth is, it can be a fantastic tool for getting there. But when people are just using it as a post-hoc justification for whatever position they've already decided they want to take, no amount of intellectual discussion is going to shift them.

It's so refreshing to read your posts! Totally agree!

4) This is one I am struggling with- it seems that many of the members on this site harbor extremist far-right views, and are often militantly racist. I am not sure why that is. You don't see it in this sub-forum as much, but in the general board and the politics board, it often looks like you are viewing the Stormfront.org website or a KKK (or other hate group) site.

What if this is a bias due to the fact that typically these people are just the loudest? I like to think that almost the totality of the users here has more moderate views and less time to write posts...

3) Some readers are very picky about what is acceptable to them, even on an erotic site- and very quick to harshly criticize stories that deal with themes that not what they are into. It is widely known, for instance, that readers of "Loving Wives" are very strict about what is acceptable to write in that category and what is not acceptable.

Yes, I've got the same impression. It's a pity, because this attitude tends to favor stereotyped content...

 

[Bramblethorn]

Anybody to the right of Mao gets labelled 'far right' or 'alt right' and the left has thrown the word 'racist' around so much that it's kind of lost it's meaning.

This is the crux of the problem with the Marxist left

*bites tongue*

 

[AnnieLit]

2) I read FemDom and I write FemDom -- never seen a negative reaction to it. It might be due to the type of stories I prefer, but I have never seen anybody lash out at the main character. At the style of writing, at the errors, at being too short/too long/too anything else, but never at the subject matter.
(I have read probably a hundred gay male stories too and have not seen a single homophobic comment there. Just label your stories right and everybody will be happy)

4) I am with those that just don't go there.
I don't come to Lit to talk politics, so I don't really care what those that do write about it.

 

[PaxNurgle]

This country is so polarized right now- even on this board. It's sad. All we can do is try to be good to each other and work to make our little corner of the world a better place. Things like volunteering in your community, for example, or donating to charity- or a cause that hopefully isn't too controversial.

I think, one aspect of BDSM stories one might be aware of, is there are certain fetishes that have an "ick" factor that might turn people off, even if they are otherwise into BDSM. Any toilet play, for instance, or "forced" bisexuality or cuckold play- these fetishes are taboo for a lot of people. Some people who read such stories might genuinely go "Eeew! Not my thing!" and be moved to 1* the story on those grounds.

 

[AlwaysFara]

This country is so polarized right now- even on this board. It's sad. All we can do is try to be good to each other and work to make our little corner of the world a better place. Things like volunteering in your community, for example, or donating to charity- or a cause that hopefully isn't too controversial.

I think, one aspect of BDSM stories one might be aware of, is there are certain fetishes that have an "ick" factor that might turn people off, even if they are otherwise into BDSM. Any toilet play, for instance, or "forced" bisexuality or cuckold play- these fetishes are taboo for a lot of people. Some people who read such stories might genuinely go "Eeew! Not my thing!" and be moved to 1* the story on those grounds.

But, that’s our right. I don’t have to engage if I find someone’s kink’s distasteful to me. Doesn’t mean they don’t have every fucking right to be here.

 

[PaxNurgle]

exactly- and here is where story tags and/or disclaimers come in useful. It would help to read out the readers who might find such kinks distasteful.

 

[AnnieLit]

exactly- and here is where story tags and/or disclaimers come in useful. It would help to read out the readers who might find such kinks distasteful.

+1 for disclaimers.

Tags are good for searching, but if I just click on a story in some category, i don't see the full list of tags unless I go looking for it. So if a strory has something I am interested in PLUS, say, non-con, I would not know about it until I get to that part. And will be really upset that there was no warning in the beginning.

 

[TANSTAAFL58]

But, that’s our right. I don’t have to engage if I find someone’s kink’s distasteful to me. Doesn’t mean they don’t have every fucking right to be here.

We need this on a t-shirt, or at least as a mandatory disclaimer every time you log in to Lit. We'd all have a lot better time if people respected this.

 

[suzielovescum]

I don’t quite understand why anyone would join an erotic forum to talk about politics. It’s a bit like gong to church to find out why your car has broken down.

so true, or people that judge you because your different, for fucks sake just don't do it

 

[suzielovescum]

But, that’s our right. I don’t have to engage if I find someone’s kink’s distasteful to me. Doesn’t mean they don’t have every fucking right to be here.

agree 100%

 

[bushyTrail]

so true, or people that judge you because your different, for fucks sake just don't do it

They just need an audience.

 

[Bramblethorn]

+1 for disclaimers.

Tags are good for searching, but if I just click on a story in some category, i don't see the full list of tags unless I go looking for it. So if a strory has something I am interested in PLUS, say, non-con, I would not know about it until I get to that part. And will be really upset that there was no warning in the beginning.

Meanwhile over in the Author's Forum, people have been complaining about "snowflakes" who need content warnings, and opining about how people prone to be upset by story content shouldn't be at a site like Literotica at all. :-/

I don't understand why some of those folk think it's a huge imposition to help readers find the kind of stories they're going to like and steer away from the ones they don't. And then they gripe when people downvote their stories.

 

[AnnieLit]

Meanwhile over in the Author's Forum, people have been complaining about "snowflakes" who need content warnings, and opining about how people prone to be upset by story content shouldn't be at a site like Literotica at all. :-/.

So they assume everybody should be into each and every possible kink?? Good thing I don't read Author's forum much!
Now will be reading it even less )

 

[bushyTrail]

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[sub2femdom]

I used to debate politics on the internet, and one day I realized that was I was participating in was not debate, but two opposing sides trying to force their opinions on each other.

And I didn't fit in. As a centrist, with both some conservative and liberal views, both sides would at times join together to verbally beat me down.

One site I belonged to required that if you stated anything as fact, that you had to cite sources that backed up those facts. Seemed like a good idea, but it turns out that the opponent just attacks the messenger... no cite is ever good enough. I once got a verbal beat-down for citing Abraham Lincoln using the library of congress's web site.. what could be better than that?

Not participating, that's whats better. Politics isn't about honest debate anymore.

I like boobies.

 

[PaxNurgle]

I should also mention, as I've written more stories, that I've learned to "tone down" the extreme fetish/kink angle to my stories, as a way to not only make them less controversial, but also to boost the potential appeal and increase readership. My earliest stories on this site went way into the extremes of femdom/kink play, and thus had a very narrow appeal even among BDSM and kink fans.

I learned over the years that while a few niche readers might love these extreme fetish/femdom stories, most will not- and it has taught me to be a bit more sensitive to my audience. I ultimately removed most of those early works, except for maybe one or two, because frankly I was a bit embarrassed by them after a while. (and no, I don't think I "Caved in to the trolls" like some people have scolded me for, but rather, I felt like I was the one inadvertently doing the trolling by posting a story that was not appropriate for the readers of that particular category.)

Some may see this as a cop out, or selling out, so to speak- but to me, its more like, I want to develop and grow as a writer, and I want to share stories that even non-kinksters can read and enjoy without being repulsed (or offended) by the content. So, I'm trying to broaden the appeal of my stories, in other words, and be more sensitive to the tastes of the average reader. I haven't ruled out doing more femdom related works in the future, though, with the usual tags and disclaimers of course- but as a rule I don't really focus on that dynamic as much anymore.

 

[bushyTrail]

I should also mention, as I've written more stories, that I've learned to "tone down" the extreme fetish/kink angle to my stories, as a way to not only make them less controversial, but also to boost the potential appeal and increase readership. My earliest stories on this site went way into the extremes of femdom/kink play, and thus had a very narrow appeal even among BDSM and kink fans.

I learned over the years that while a few niche readers might love these extreme fetish/femdom stories, most will not- and it has taught me to be a bit more sensitive to my audience. I ultimately removed most of those early works, except for maybe one or two, because frankly I was a bit embarrassed by them after a while. (and no, I don't think I "Caved in to the trolls" like some people have scolded me for, but rather, I felt like I was the one inadvertently doing the trolling by posting a story that was not appropriate for the readers of that particular category.)

Some may see this as a cop out, or selling out, so to speak- but to me, its more like, I want to develop and grow as a writer, and I want to share stories that even non-kinksters can read and enjoy without being repulsed (or offended) by the content. So, I'm trying to broaden the appeal of my stories, in other words, and be more sensitive to the tastes of the average reader. I haven't ruled out doing more femdom related works in the future, though, with the usual tags and disclaimers of course- but as a rule I don't really focus on that dynamic as much anymore.

It makes sense, you should not worry about "selling out". Personally I write here about extreme things, because it's the only place where I can vent them and, through the written elaboration, understand them. I also write standard sci-fi in my own language (which I master far better than English), for example. If you want to grow as writer, you can also abandon erotica completely. After all it is a very peculiar genre anyway and I'm not sure it is the best one to start with, if you want to hone your skills.

 

[Erosfan]

The first three I agree with... number 4 seems way off. Do not think that at all nor read that in the stories I enjoy. The posts seem to go both ways on the general topics but that is going to happen no matter where you are. This country is very divided and so maybe here, we can just learn that we are all people and we enjoy sex, love and companionship no matter what political affiliation ( or lack of caring anymore about either party) you are prone to favor. So that is what I have taken from reading the posts and from PM people. Maybe I have not visited or read what you are talking about but most people on here seem to be pretty free and accepting.

Well said. I don't find sex to be political and I don't come here to discuss politics. I'm here to enjoy myself and others who enjoy sex and want to make the most of that.