Cheetoh in Poland

[hsnh]

BTW - RANDOM BLURT:
I just realized that,
while I've been judgmental of and critical at times of the anger that I noticed coming from some of the GB liberals. (and I tend to watch frustrated posts like the OP with amusement)
-- ironically, I've gradually become rel. angry and frustrated with politics myself.

There's something odd about the manner in which most of us (regardless of political views) have started to overreact emotionally to the smallest events.



Interesting: I googled the term and I came across this article about Emotional Manipulation:
- "Previous explanations of the Chinese Communist revolution have highlighted (variously) the role of ideology, organization, and/or social structure.
While acknowledging the importance of all these factors, this article draws attention to a largely neglected feature of the revolutionary process: the mass mobilization of emotions."

I don't think that the splitting and divisivenness that both L and R massmedia are cultivating over every issue, are incidental either.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I'm calling it Right Wing because that's what it is:

Law and Justice (Polish: *Prawo i Sprawiedliwość*(help·info)), abbreviated to PiS, is a right-wing populist[14][22][23][24] national-conservative,[5][6] and Christian democratic[10][11] political party in Poland. With 216 seats in the Sejm and 56 in the Senate, it is currently the largest party in the Polish parliament.

The party was founded in 2001 by the Kaczyński twins, Lech and Jarosław. It was formed from part of the Solidarity Electoral Action (AWS), with the Christian democratic Centre Agreement forming the new party's core.[25] The party won the 2005 election, while Lech Kaczyński won the presidency. Jarosław served as Prime Minister, before calling elections in 2007, in which the party came second to Civic Platform (PO). Several leading members, including sitting president Lech Kaczyński, died in a plane crash in 2010.

The party programme is dominated by the Kaczyńskis' conservative and law and order agenda.[25] It has embraced economic interventionism, while maintaining a socially conservative stance that in 2005 moved towards the Catholic Church;[25] the party's Catholic-nationalist wing split off in 2011 to form Solidary Poland. The party is solidarist and mildly eurosceptic.

Why would Poles be Right-Wingers?
You Leftists often miss the point as far as European history and internal dynamics are concerned.


Anti-Polish sentiment
" This prejudice led to mass killings and genocide or to justify atrocities[2] during World War II, notably by the German Nazis, Ukrainian Insurgent Army and Soviet Communists.
Today, anti-Polish sentiment more often entails derogatory stereotyping and defamation, rather than open discrimination."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment


Poles in UK fear spike in hate crimes when Brexit process begins
"Community leaders tell MPs that complaints to police receive mixed response and some schools turn a blind eye"
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ike-in-hate-crimes-when-brexit-process-begins


They refused to take in poorly screened refugees, most of whom were men,
out of security concerns after the terrorist attacks in UK, France and so 9n. Especially since Poland is a poor country, so they wouldn't have the appropriate resources to monitor potential terrorists or protect their own citizens, should something bad happens.
Hell, even England Police and Intel don't have resources to monitor all their 23.000 potential terrorists.

Self- preservation trumps altruism.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

To each his own, but I would suggest you've become desensitized, or are incapable or unwilling to register what's going on in the name of Trump.

BTW - RANDOM BLURT:
I just realized that,
while I've been judgmental of and critical at times of the anger that I noticed coming from some of the GB liberals. (and I tend to watch frustrated posts like the OP with amusement)
-- ironically, I've gradually become rel. angry and frustrated with politics myself.

There's something odd about the manner in which most of us (regardless of political views) have started to overreact emotionally to the smallest events.



Interesting: I googled the term and I came across this article about Emotional Manipulation:
- "Previous explanations of the Chinese Communist revolution have highlighted (variously) the role of ideology, organization, and/or social structure.
While acknowledging the importance of all these factors, this article draws attention to a largely neglected feature of the revolutionary process: the mass mobilization of emotions."

I don't think that the splitting and divisivenness that both L and R massmedia are cultivating over every issue, are incidental either.

 

[hsnh]

To each his own, but I would suggest you've become desensitized, or are incapable or unwilling to register what's going on in the name of Trump.

God no, I understand why Americans might be skeptical of Trump. And as much of a fan I was initially, I'm starting to be deflated and suspicious too, because of his broken promisses re external politics.
-- And the equivalent of that in Europe are the EU- Russia - muslim immigration issues, on which people are just as angry and divided.

Both L and R massmedia are trying to hype up our emotions around all sorts of inconsequential things.

I sometimes feel as if we're being played for fools.
- They're either trying to divide and distract us, or change our perspectives starting from bottom up (the level of raw emotionality)

 

[hznh]

I sometimes feel as if we're being played for fools.
- They're either trying to divide and distract us, or change our perspectives starting from bottom up (the level of raw emotionality)

That's certainly true for you.

 

[hsnh]

Law and Justice (Polish: *Prawo i Sprawiedliwość*(help·info)), abbreviated to PiS, is a right-wing populist[14][22][23][24] national-conservative,[5][6] and Christian democratic[10][11] political party in Poland. With 216 seats in the Sejm and 56 in the Senate, it is currently the largest party in the Polish parliament.

The party was founded in 2001 by the Kaczyński twins, Lech and Jarosław. It was formed from part of the Solidarity Electoral Action (AWS), with the Christian democratic Centre Agreement forming the new party's core.[25] The party won the 2005 election, while Lech Kaczyński won the presidency. Jarosław served as Prime Minister, before calling elections in 2007, in which the party came second to Civic Platform (PO). Several leading members, including sitting president Lech Kaczyński, died in a plane crash in 2010.

The party programme is dominated by the Kaczyńskis' conservative and law and order agenda.[25] It has embraced economic interventionism, while maintaining a socially conservative stance that in 2005 moved towards the Catholic Church;[25] the party's Catholic-nationalist wing split off in 2011 to form Solidary Poland. The party is solidarist and mildly eurosceptic.

To each his own, but I would suggest you've become desensitized, or are incapable or unwilling to register what's going on in the name of Trump.

The rise of Syriza in Greece and the popularity of nationalistic parties in other European countries are an understandable reaction,
since people have been fucked economically by the neoliberal globalist corporatist agenda pushed by EU.

Moreover, when decisions are being taken by unelected people, behind closed doors at Brussels, one doubts that those countries are truly sovereign. Which explains even more the popularity of nationalistic parties.

Hard to tell what "Global Trumpism" will lead to, but people chose nationalistic parties for valid reasons.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The rise of Syriza in Greece and the popularity of nationalistic parties in other European countries are an understandable reaction,
since people have been fucked economically by the neoliberal globalist corporatist agenda pushed by EU.

Moreover, when decisions are being taken by unelected people, behind closed doors at Brussels, one doubts that those countries are truly sovereign. Which explains even more the popularity of nationalistic parties.

Hard to tell what "Global Trumpism" will lead to, but people chose nationalistic parties for valid reasons.

Italy will be the next victory. Isn't it fascinating to see the 1920s / 1930s being replayed before our eyes. I think we're close to that pre-Civil War Spain / Weimar Republic stage. Big differences of course but if you read the cyclic theory of history it kind of makes sense. I'll have to read the book again, I think it was The Fourth Turning or something similar. I'll put a link up tonite

 

[Carnal_Flower]

No, it's not "understandable."

"Nationalism" so-called (i.e., xenophobia) is a mind-fuck by would-be autocrats convincing a bunch of crybaby whiners that they're victims.

The rise of Syriza in Greece and the popularity of nationalistic parties in other European countries are an understandable reaction,
since people have been fucked economically by the neoliberal globalist corporatist agenda pushed by EU.

Moreover, when decisions are being taken by unelected people, behind closed doors at Brussels, one doubts that those countries are truly sovereign. Which explains even more the popularity of nationalistic parties.

Hard to tell what "Global Trumpism" will lead to, but people chose nationalistic parties for valid reasons.

 

[ChloeTzang]

No, it's not "understandable."

"Nationalism" so-called (i.e., xenophobia) is a mind-fuck by would-be autocrats convincing a bunch of crybaby whiners that they're victims.

Nationalism is in many instances a symptom of a larger problem. The victims are indeed victims and those who have in large created them are to blame. We're heading down that path with the destruction of the middle classes and the well paid working class. It's the middle class that drives revolutionary change. And when it comes its far more likely to throw up a Pinochet or a Franco than an Allende, by and large because it's the left that causes the underlying situation, as we are seeing now in Europe, Venezuala and here. The reaction is to throw up a Pinochet. Or a moderate such as Trump. If Trump fails, that's when you'll see something more extreme. What's happening in Venezuela is a classic example of socialism at work and a lesson to anyone whose interested.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I forgot to add it's an excuse for fat slobs to throw a pity party for themselves because a Negro did better in life than they ever will.

Nationalism is in many instances a symptom of a larger problem. The victims are indeed victims and those who have in large created them are to blame. We're heading down that path with the destruction of the middle classes and the well paid working class. It's the middle class that drives revolutionary change. And when it comes its far more likely to throw up a Pinochet or a Franco than an Allende, by and large because it's the left that causes the underlying situation, as we are seeing now in Europe, Venezuala and here. The reaction is to throw up a Pinochet. Or a moderate such as Trump. If Trump fails, that's when you'll see something more extreme. What's happening in Venezuela is a classic example of socialism at work and a lesson to anyone whose interested.

 

[hsnh]

Italy will be the next victory. Isn't it fascinating to see the 1920s / 1930s being replayed before our eyes. I think we're close to that pre-Civil War Spain / Weimar Republic stage. Big differences of course but if you read the cyclic theory of history it kind of makes sense. I'll have to read the book again, I think it was The Fourth Turning or something similar. I'll put a link up tonite

Speaking of which:

You, WhiteBull and other millenials of different political orientations often bring such a fresh vibe to these Boards....
You read about and have interests which we developped only as we grew older.

Must be the internet which exposed millenials to more ideas to choose from, from a younger age.

 

[about_average]

ROTFLMAO. Delusional. Even the Fake News Network had to concede that Trump’s speech in Poland was “eloquent” and “well-delivered,” “and one of the best speeches of his presidency.”

Those quotes weren't from his speech, they were from his and Andrzej Duda's press conference where he again whined about how the press is so unfair to him by reporting what he says and does and commiserated with Duda about the press. No doubt he greatly admires Duda's crack downs on the press.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Yes, it's through the internets that they learned about the wonderful world of Nazis

Speaking of which:

You, WhiteBull and other millenials of different political orientations often bring such a fresh vibe to these Boards....
You read about and have interests which we developped only as we grew older.

Must be the internet which exposed millenials to more ideas to choose from, from a younger age.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Yes, it's through the internets that they learned about the wonderful world of Nazis

And those gorgeous Hugo Boss designs, don't forget them. Really, I don't know how anyone could even mistake The Donald for a Nazi. He just doesn't have the fashion sense.

It wasn't just Hugo. I mean, Coco Chanel, Louis Vuitton, Christian Dior, Cristobal Balenciaga, they all did fashion for the Nazis. But honestly, wouldn't the White House look much better likes this.... I mean, really, I'm just all weak at the knees thinking about it...

https://www.esslinger-zeitung.de/cms_media/module_img/92/46493_1_fullwide_0504201205st25a.jpg

 

[BotanyBoy]

While there, he stood on foreign soil and attacked and attempted to discredit:

--former President Barack Obama

Because he was a piece of shit and total sell out.

--his own Intelligence agencies

Because they have been turned into a joke.

--the U.S. Free Press

Isn't free....it's corporate. Largely with (D) elitist running the show.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes, it's through the internets that they learned about the wonderful world of Nazis

Still trying to pretend everyone that doesn't agree with you is a Nazi?


LOL, how's that working out for you?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Well that's refreshingly original.

Because he was a piece of shit and total sell out.



Because they have been turned into a joke.



Isn't free....it's corporate. Largely with (D) elitist running the show.

 

[hsnh]

Well that's refreshingly original.

Now That made me chuckle.
Thanks.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Well that's refreshingly original.

He doesn't even take himself seriously

 

[JackLuis]

https://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/f6907af59f04543f8ae56a65aaad6241.jpg

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Trump is America's karma coming back to take a big bite out of our ass.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump is America's karma coming back to take a big bite out of our ass.

If "our" means liberal / left / you, yeah, you're right.

 

[sr71plt]

If "our" means liberal / left / you, yeah, you're right.

Still think his policies support his voter base? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Still think his policies support his voter base? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

It doesn't take a lot. Let's give it another 3.5 years and see

Hope you're having a good weekend. I gotta get back to working on "Sammi Woo" and stop distracting myself with these forums.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

If "our" means liberal / left / you, yeah, you're right.

Yeah, he was elected by liberals