Chloe................ Zelensky, and Ukraine.

[Rebel5soul]

Sorry to say Chloe, but Zelensky brought this on himself.

Let's start with Zelensky campaigning for Harris. Not a good starting place. OK, that we can get passed that. But coming to the US and dictating as if he's in the drivers seat is, well, certainly ill advised. He also thought it wise to attempt to lecture our VP. And Trump is quite correct in pointing that there's never been an expression of gratitude to this nation.

I, as well as you, have been watching what's happening in that abominable meat grinder. I've been astounded by the ineptness of the Russian military, but the reality of the situation is that Ukraine cannot prevail in the current circumstances, ie a war of attrition. In spite of your posting the improbable, and earned, success's to the Ukraine forces the end in inevitable. We know that, Putin knows that, and so does everyone else.

Trump, quite rightly and publicly, pointed out that tying Ukraine and the US together in a business deal offered one of the best chances for the survival of Zelensy's nation.

Yes, I read your post re. your familial ties to the Ukraine. But you are, for the most part, a quite logical thinker and this is a case where I suggest you sit back and consider the reality of the situation on the ground. Divorce yourself from the notion of 'right and wrong' because that's not up for debate. The goal is to stop the butchery and attempt to preserve the greater part of Ukraine's integrity.

So, I think you should re-evaluate the path you believe in the best path forward.

 

[Politruk]

Let's start with Zelensky campaigning for Harris.

Of course he did -- he knew Trump would always side with Putin no matter what, and he was right.

 

[schism666]

Sorry to say Chloe, but Zelensky brought this on himself.

Let's start with Zelensky campaigning for Harris. Not a good starting place. OK, that we can get passed that. But coming to the US and dictating as if he's in the drivers seat is, well, certainly ill advised. He also thought it wise to attempt to lecture our VP. And Trump is quite correct in pointing that there's never been an expression of gratitude to this nation.

I, as well as you, have been watching what's happening in that abominable meat grinder. I've been astounded by the ineptness of the Russian military, but the reality of the situation is that Ukraine cannot prevail in the current circumstances, ie a war of attrition. In spite of your posting the improbable, and earned, success's to the Ukraine forces the end in inevitable. We know that, Putin knows that, and so does everyone else.

Trump, quite rightly and publicly, pointed out that tying Ukraine and the US together in a business deal offered one of the best chances for the survival of Zelensy's nation.

Yes, I read your post re. your familial ties to the Ukraine. But you are, for the most part, a quite logical thinker and this is a case where I suggest you sit back and consider the reality of the situation on the ground. Divorce yourself from the notion of 'right and wrong' because that's not up for debate. The goal is to stop the butchery and attempt to preserve the greater part of Ukraine's integrity.

So, I think you should re-evaluate the path you believe in the best path forward.

drink ish is the best ish. 2.5 boxes deep.

 

[Politruk]

the end in inevitable.

Ukraine can outlast Russia. Ukraine would run out of troops first -- but Russia's economy is close to collapse, and no foreign power is both willing and able to prop them up.

 

[ShandyLeer]

Sorry to say Chloe, but Zelensky brought this on himself.

Let's start with Zelensky campaigning for Harris. Not a good starting place. OK, that we can get passed that. But coming to the US and dictating as if he's in the drivers seat is, well, certainly ill advised. He also thought it wise to attempt to lecture our VP. And Trump is quite correct in pointing that there's never been an expression of gratitude to this nation.

I, as well as you, have been watching what's happening in that abominable meat grinder. I've been astounded by the ineptness of the Russian military, but the reality of the situation is that Ukraine cannot prevail in the current circumstances, ie a war of attrition. In spite of your posting the improbable, and earned, success's to the Ukraine forces the end in inevitable. We know that, Putin knows that, and so does everyone else.

Trump, quite rightly and publicly, pointed out that tying Ukraine and the US together in a business deal offered one of the best chances for the survival of Zelensy's nation.

Yes, I read your post re. your familial ties to the Ukraine. But you are, for the most part, a quite logical thinker and this is a case where I suggest you sit back and consider the reality of the situation on the ground. Divorce yourself from the notion of 'right and wrong' because that's not up for debate. The goal is to stop the butchery and attempt to preserve the greater part of Ukraine's integrity.

So, I think you should re-evaluate the path you believe in the best path forward.

Perhaps you should re-evaluate your easily proven lies about whether or not Zelensky has shown gratitude - there’s hundreds of examples of him doing so.

Set of gaslighting cunts.

 

[schism666]

Perhaps you should re-evaluate your easily proven lies about whether or not Zelensky has shown gratitude - there’s hundreds of examples of him doing so.

Set of gaslighting cunts.

even if he didn't "show gratitude" it would be hard to do while facing a much stronger opponent while trying to save your country. the op is a bitter old man who is dire need of liver.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine can outlast Russia. Ukraine would run out of troops first -- but Russia's economy is close to collapse, and no foreign power is both willing and able to prop them up.

Actually, Russia IS running down on everything. Putin has been fighting on by, literally, throwing bodies at bullets on the basis that he can outlast American support for Ukraine, and that part is proving true. I think Europe and Ukraine need to write the USA as, at best, lost, and at worst, actively supporting Putin.

The thing nobody factored into the equation is drone warfare, in which Ukraine are now world leaders, and the rapid growth of Ukraine's own defense industry, which is rapidly scaling up the delivery of weapons that are progessively destroying Russia's industrial and oil-exporting facilities. And fighting asymmetrically. Those Russian oil tankers in the Med are not exploding spontaneously.

Meanwhile, drone swarms dominate the battlefield and keeo slaughtering the Russians. Kursk? The Russians are barely making a dent. The Donbas front? Ukraine is holding and continues to inflict casualties as well as making opportunistic gains - and look at the way these are being made. Mass armored and artillery attacks are a thing of the past. The Russian glide bombs have now been negated. This is small unit warfare accompanied by drone swarms and Ukraine has the edge.

Trump is actually doing his best to pull Putin's chestnuts out of the fire and hand him a victory. Treacherous and disgusting behavior and yes, Ukraine CAN and will outlast Russia. They fought in Feb 2022 with no support, and this time round, betrayed yet again by the USA, at least they have EU support, which is also becoming more effective monthn by month. There's also a lot of capacity in the Ukrainian defense industry which only needs funding to pick up - and I'm sure that funding will be coming.

 

[ChloeTzang]

OMG a whole thread dedicated to me. My ego will balloon and inflate impossibly. I am flattered. LOL.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Sorry to say Chloe, but Zelensky brought this on himself.

Let's start with Zelensky campaigning for Harris. Not a good starting place. OK, that we can get passed that. But coming to the US and dictating as if he's in the drivers seat is, well, certainly ill advised. He also thought it wise to attempt to lecture our VP. And Trump is quite correct in pointing that there's never been an expression of gratitude to this nation.

I, as well as you, have been watching what's happening in that abominable meat grinder. I've been astounded by the ineptness of the Russian military, but the reality of the situation is that Ukraine cannot prevail in the current circumstances, ie a war of attrition. In spite of your posting the improbable, and earned, success's to the Ukraine forces the end in inevitable. We know that, Putin knows that, and so does everyone else.

Trump, quite rightly and publicly, pointed out that tying Ukraine and the US together in a business deal offered one of the best chances for the survival of Zelensy's nation.

Yes, I read your post re. your familial ties to the Ukraine. But you are, for the most part, a quite logical thinker and this is a case where I suggest you sit back and consider the reality of the situation on the ground. Divorce yourself from the notion of 'right and wrong' because that's not up for debate. The goal is to stop the butchery and attempt to preserve the greater part of Ukraine's integrity.

So, I think you should re-evaluate the path you believe in the best path forward.

Damn Ish, what fucking stupid thread......even from you.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

OMG a whole thread dedicated to me. My ego will balloon and inflate impossibly. I am flattered. LOL.

Yes, figures you'd see it that way.
Well you're just the first of the Lit MAGA's to see the stupidity of what you chose. Not the last though. Not by a long shot.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

OMG a whole thread dedicated to me. My ego will balloon and inflate impossibly. I am flattered. LOL.

Just for you....

Article from Glenn Reynolds on substack (link at end of post)

“This was no ordinary victory. This was a fork in the road of human civilization.”

That was Elon Musk, super-hyped in his Trump inaugural rally victory speech. And he’s one hundred percent right.

The single most important thing that’s happening now, and that will unfold over the next several decades, is humanity’s transition from a planetary to an interplanetary species. (And, eventually, to an interstellar one.) And that’s tied to the election. Had Trump lost, that might still have happened. Space policy over the last decade was surprisingly consistent across Republican and Democratic administrations. But I doubt it.

The Harris Administration would have gone after Elon, out of pique for his purchase of X and wrecking of their global censorship plan if nothing else. He’s an extremely smart man, and has a lot of resources – he wisely made himself indispensable to the most powerful part of the Deep State on several fronts – but before the election I polled my Admin Law class and a substantial majority thought that Elon would wind up prosecuted and probably jailed if Harris won the election. This surprised me a bit, but I think that Elon thought that too and that it’s one reason he took an active hand in the campaign. And he was right to do so: While his companies would have survived his jailing, his vision probably wouldn’t have. It’s shared by people like SpaceX CEO Gwynne Shotwell, who is as big a space fanatic as Elon (including the ”interstellar species” part) even though she’s considered something of a balance wheel for him, and it’s shared by many, many of his employees. But he’s the driving force. SpaceX without Elon would be like Apple without Steve Jobs – still around, still profitable, but . . . boring.

And it’s not just space and SpaceX. America was headed for the sort of crony-capitalist bureaucratic-governance stagnation that afflicts Europe. That’s bad for citizens, whose incomes lag, and it’s bad for nations, whose economies lag. And it’s bad for space settlement, because frontiers aren’t generally opened by stagnant societies. There’s a reason why SpaceX happened in America instead of, say, France.

Trump 45 did some good at slowing this trend, but didn’t attack the problem head on. This time, with a much clearer view of how the bureaucracy and the Deep State operate, he’s mounting a Pattonesque blitz, with DOGE and a flurry of executive orders. I hope he succeeds to Millei-like levels in slashing the government and in eviscerating bureaucratic power. If he does, if he gets even half that far, it will be a Golden Age of America indeed.

And all around the world, the reverberations are putting cracks in the edifice of control that Western governments have tried to erect on top of their populations. Censorship is failing, two-tier law enforcement is coming under pressure, “far-right fringe” political parties are approaching majorities, open borders are beginning to close, and in general the normies are figuring out what was being done to them and what the plans for the future are, and starting to push back.

Five or ten more years – say two Kamala terms as President – and the changes underway would have been, if not actually irreversible, at least impossible to reverse without substantial bloodshed and destruction. We made it, by the skin of our teeth. But it’s not over yet. As Yogi Berra said, “When you come to a fork in the road, take it.”

We were on a path to destruction, and now there’s a fork in a much more positive direction. It’s up to us to make sure we take it. Trump’s victory is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition to saving America, and quite possibly the world. It will take years of unrelenting effort to make sure that we do, in fact, take that fork. So enjoy the celebration, and then get to work.

What kind of work? I have some thoughts.

First: Preparing for the 2026 elections. They’ll be here before you know it. In 2018, Trump lost Congressional control, allowing Democrats to tie him up with hearings, inquiries, impeachment, etc. Historical odds are for that to happen again, but it will be much easier to enact major reforms without that. Registering voters – look what Sean Parnell did in Pennsylvania – is a major step. So is demanding and working for election reforms that make cheating much harder. You can take an active hand in that.

Second: Pressing the Congress – and the Administration – to focus on making the most of the next two years. Winning in 2026 would be great, but this majority is the only one we can count on. This means putting the kibosh on unproductive infighting, and pressing the majorities to actually advance the programs they ran on.

Third: Go to war with the media. They’re on the run now, and losing influence, but they haven’t learned their lesson, as recent efforts to spread the bogus story that Elon Musk gave a “Nazi salute” demonstrate. Sure, even the ADL called that story bogus, but that didn’t stop major networks from running with it. (Lawsuits from Elon might provide a lesson, and he can certainly afford them). And as for PBS and NPR, they should be defunded, but that means more than just a cutoff of federal funds. Much of their income comes from payments from local affiliate stations, which pay dues and also pay for programming. Much of those payments, in turn, comes from state-government-controlled affiliates, such as state-university-controlled radio and TV stations. State governments can cut that, and surely such efforts in red states would be likely to succeed. This wouldn’t leave NPR and PBS entirely penniless, but it would be a sore blow. And even an effort along those lines might send a valuable signal about partisan broadcasting on the taxpayers’ backs.

Fourth: Go after nonprofits. The nonprofit sector serves as a largely unaccountable shadow government in many ways. Its accounting controls are usually shoddy, its oversight comes, if at all, mostly from state attorneys general, and the requirements that 501(c)(3) entities be nonpartisan are . . . loose. My advice: Get your state attorneys general and state tax officials to start looking closely at the records.

Fifth: Everything I said above goes quadruple for universities. They’re pretty partisan despite being 501(c)(3) entities, their financial accounting is often slipshod, and they serve as money laundries for leftists in ways big and small. Paid staffers, whose numbers have exploded, are footsoldiers and propaganda consumers for leftist causes and candidates, big-ticket speaker fees go overwhelmingly to leftist speakers, money for “documentaries” and textbook sales goes mostly to leftists, and of course, faculties are overwhelmingly leftist and a perusal of any university faculty and staff’s political donations on OpenSecrets will show a virtual blue wall. They need to be pressed on all of this, and they need to be pressed to diversify their faculties politically. Claims that “conservatives aren’t smart” or “conservatives just don’t apply” should be treated similarly to claims that blacks or women don’t measure up or apply.

Anyway, there you have it. There’s a fork in the road.

It’s time to make sure we take it.
https://instapundit.substack.com/p/trump-47-a-civilizational-fork-in

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Sorry to say Chloe, but Zelensky brought this on himself.

Let's start with Zelensky campaigning for Harris. Not a good starting place. OK, that we can get passed that. But coming to the US and dictating as if he's in the drivers seat is, well, certainly ill advised. He also thought it wise to attempt to lecture our VP. And Trump is quite correct in pointing that there's never been an expression of gratitude to this nation.

I, as well as you, have been watching what's happening in that abominable meat grinder. I've been astounded by the ineptness of the Russian military, but the reality of the situation is that Ukraine cannot prevail in the current circumstances, ie a war of attrition. In spite of your posting the improbable, and earned, success's to the Ukraine forces the end in inevitable. We know that, Putin knows that, and so does everyone else.

Trump, quite rightly and publicly, pointed out that tying Ukraine and the US together in a business deal offered one of the best chances for the survival of Zelensy's nation.

Yes, I read your post re. your familial ties to the Ukraine. But you are, for the most part, a quite logical thinker and this is a case where I suggest you sit back and consider the reality of the situation on the ground. Divorce yourself from the notion of 'right and wrong' because that's not up for debate. The goal is to stop the butchery and attempt to preserve the greater part of Ukraine's integrity.

So, I think you should re-evaluate the path you believe in the best path forward.

During Trump’s first term he was impeached for trying to extort Zelensky. It’s no surprise he would try to do it again.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

42 days in, and Trump has now alienated the western countries...damn that was quick.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

During Trump’s first term he was impeached for trying to extort Zelensky. It’s no surprise he would try to do it again.

That was my first thought yesterday - he's been dying to get revenge on Zelensky for so long. He doesn't give two shits about Ukraine or Russia. It was about settling a score with someone who didn't bow down and kiss the ring, and also it pleased Putin.

 

[ChloeTzang]

During Trump’s first term he was impeached for trying to extort Zelensky. It’s no surprise he would try to do it again.

Absolutely. Altho after the lasy 8 years of non-stop attacks on him, as well as all the lawfare and attempted assassinations, I can understand Trump taking things a little personally.

That said, I think it's very off that he's working off his mad on Zelensky, who is really only piggy in the middle. And an easy target for Trump's ire. Which is a very crappy attitude for a US President on the international stage.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Absolutely. Altho after the lasy 8 years of non-stop attacks on him, as well as all the lawfare and attempted assassinations, I can understand Trump taking things a little personally.

That said, I think it's very off that he's working off his mad on Zelensky, who is really only piggy in the middle. And an easy target for Trump's ire. Which is a very crappy attitude for a US President on the international stage.

There were no attempted assassinations against Donald Trump.

 

[ChloeTzang]

There were no attempted assassinations against Donald Trump.

and Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.....

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

and Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.....

Donald Trump wasn’t injured on July 13th 2024.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I posted this in another Ukraine/Zelinski thread but since there are now several threads on the topic I’m posting it in this one as well

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Sorry to say Chloe, but Zelensky brought this on himself.

Let's start with Zelensky campaigning for Harris. Not a good starting place. OK, that we can get passed that. But coming to the US and dictating as if he's in the drivers seat is, well, certainly ill advised. He also thought it wise to attempt to lecture our VP. And Trump is quite correct in pointing that there's never been an expression of gratitude to this nation.

I, as well as you, have been watching what's happening in that abominable meat grinder. I've been astounded by the ineptness of the Russian military, but the reality of the situation is that Ukraine cannot prevail in the current circumstances, ie a war of attrition. In spite of your posting the improbable, and earned, success's to the Ukraine forces the end in inevitable. We know that, Putin knows that, and so does everyone else.

Trump, quite rightly and publicly, pointed out that tying Ukraine and the US together in a business deal offered one of the best chances for the survival of Zelensy's nation.

Yes, I read your post re. your familial ties to the Ukraine. But you are, for the most part, a quite logical thinker and this is a case where I suggest you sit back and consider the reality of the situation on the ground. Divorce yourself from the notion of 'right and wrong' because that's not up for debate. The goal is to stop the butchery and attempt to preserve the greater part of Ukraine's integrity.

So, I think you should re-evaluate the path you believe in the best path forward.

You're a drunken baby killer.

Nobody cares what you say, moron.

 

[Lance_Castro]

You're a drunken baby killer.

Nobody cares what you say, moron.

Where does the site advertise to find house boys like you at the very peak of puberty?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

and Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.....

Except when it isn't.


"They" don't get that . . . .

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Where does the site advertise to find house boys like you at the very peak of puberty?

Did I offend you, little man?

 

[Rightguide]

Of course he did -- he knew Trump would always side with Putin no matter what, and he was right.

You're so consumed by your own biases that reality twists itself to fit your imagined convictions. You walk through the world with eyes wide open yet remain utterly blind, filtering everything through a rigid lens of preconceptions that render you incapable of seeing the truth.

Zelensky is determined to fight on, while Trump seeks to end the war, recognizing that the military outcome has already been decided. Ukraine has been defeated, and unless Zelensky can rally the rest of Europe into the conflict, risking a catastrophic nuclear confrontation with Russia. There is no path to victory. In the end, should the war escalate further, Russia will resort to nuclear force, leaving Europe in ruins.

 

[Buffalogurl]

Sorry to say Chloe, but Zelensky brought this on himself.

Let's start with Zelensky campaigning for Harris. Not a good starting place. OK, that we can get passed that. But coming to the US and dictating as if he's in the drivers seat is, well, certainly ill advised. He also thought it wise to attempt to lecture our VP. And Trump is quite correct in pointing that there's never been an expression of gratitude to this nation.

I, as well as you, have been watching what's happening in that abominable meat grinder. I've been astounded by the ineptness of the Russian military, but the reality of the situation is that Ukraine cannot prevail in the current circumstances, ie a war of attrition. In spite of your posting the improbable, and earned, success's to the Ukraine forces the end in inevitable. We know that, Putin knows that, and so does everyone else.

Trump, quite rightly and publicly, pointed out that tying Ukraine and the US together in a business deal offered one of the best chances for the survival of Zelensy's nation.

Yes, I read your post re. your familial ties to the Ukraine. But you are, for the most part, a quite logical thinker and this is a case where I suggest you sit back and consider the reality of the situation on the ground. Divorce yourself from the notion of 'right and wrong' because that's not up for debate. The goal is to stop the butchery and attempt to preserve the greater part of Ukraine's integrity.

So, I think you should re-evaluate the path you believe in the best path forward.

Your very correct in your statements Ukraine is getting the shit beat out of it.....want to know the biggest tell? Zelensky scurrying all over the world begging for money but more importantly military troops.... he's outta options.... he's pissed away his military personal...... and stolen large amounts of military equipment to be sold on the black market....