Church. Why?
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I refuse to believe that this many people on this Board can be this ignorant of God, Tithing... Money and The Church.
There is NO excuse for this!
At least find out what you are trying to belittle!
Tithing is not something most churches practice, I think. Of course, every church in every service passes a collection plate. A house of worship costs money but produces no marketable goods, so they have to get revenue somehow.
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If they're smart, they'll put in real jazzy wedding facilities--maybe a winery attached for the receptions--and charge high prices.
The best I've seen is a church in Roslyn, Virginia, across a bridge from Georgetown and Washington, D.C. It's in a high-rise office and apartment area. It put in a gas station on the first floor, with the church in the floors above it. The revenue from the gas station covers the church's maintenance costs.
Very True. Thought North America was unique in that slaves became a commodity into themselves. The "Old South" (virginia, georgia, the carolinas) made a lot more money selling 'excess' slaves then they did on their cash crops like rice, corn and tobacco. One of the reasons that the slave states pushed for the expansion of slavery into new territories is they wanted the markets for slaves, the civil war wasn't fought over the abolishment of slavery in many ways, it is that the slave states were thwarted in their attempts to extend it into the territories.
By the way I apologize for writing it like this, the slaves were human beings, not property, and it is why the whole notion of the south that the civil war was fought over states rights or 'freedom' makes me want to vomit, it was fought over profits based on human misery.
By the way I apologize for writing it like this, the slaves were human beings, not property, and it is why the whole notion of the south that the civil war was fought over states rights or 'freedom' makes me want to vomit, it was fought over profits based on human misery.
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Church also seems to give people a sense of community and peace of mind.
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Because of all the Origin of the Universe ideas out there, the most outlandish and improbable is that it didn't come from anywhere, that it's always been here. That theory is far less plausible than the Creation Story in Genesis.
Actually that 'feeling' has been proven out to be true. The facts of history are that relatively few people ever chose to be slaves (I am not talking D/s here folks), even in biblical times scholars are pretty sure it was rare (I am talking voluntary). There were those paying off debts, and that wasn't voluntary and most slaves were in fact forced into it, usually captured in battle then sold into slavery.
And the one truth in such slavery is very few people were like the 'house slave' in Django unchained, most spent most of their time dreaming about escaping or actively trying to. Want proof? Read a history of the antebellum south, the whites down south, especially the slaveholders, feared a slave rebellion like nothing else, to the point that they committed many atrocities out of sheer paranoia and fear. If slaves were happy then why were the whites down south scared shitless? Because they knew that the slaves hated them, hated being what they were and would like noting more to rebel and kill them..
And the one truth in such slavery is very few people were like the 'house slave' in Django unchained, most spent most of their time dreaming about escaping or actively trying to. Want proof? Read a history of the antebellum south, the whites down south, especially the slaveholders, feared a slave rebellion like nothing else, to the point that they committed many atrocities out of sheer paranoia and fear. If slaves were happy then why were the whites down south scared shitless? Because they knew that the slaves hated them, hated being what they were and would like noting more to rebel and kill them..
Outside the bible, the evidence around Jesus is sketchy (and the bible is questionable). I don't believe anyone has found Roman records on Jesus and his trial, and the only writing we have about Christ outside the bible come from one writer that I am aware of, Josephus, I believe he was an ex Roman slave (I am doing this from memory, not Google). The Talmudic writers do mention Jesus, but those writing about him were not contemporaries, so they likely were writing about events passed down orally through word of mouth or were from texts the scholars had seen (yes, folks, some talmudic scholars did read the Christian gospels circulating around in the early centuries, if only to refute what was in there ).
Saying most can concur is kind of irrelevant given the fact that most of those people either are Christian or are 'culturally christian'. It is likely a person called Jesus did exist, but even among scholars there are doubts about who he was (leaving out the what). The thing is the historical record of him is pretty thin.
Saying most can concur is kind of irrelevant given the fact that most of those people either are Christian or are 'culturally christian'. It is likely a person called Jesus did exist, but even among scholars there are doubts about who he was (leaving out the what). The thing is the historical record of him is pretty thin.
The genesis story has 0 credibility, it construes a construction of everything that makes no practical sense. if God created everything, that means God has existed all through time, unchanged, was not created at any finite point...how is that any more credible then the universe has always been here as it is now?
The universe is like God in one sense, it is ultimately uknowable because the human mind cannot comprehend the infinite.
The universe is like God in one sense, it is ultimately uknowable because the human mind cannot comprehend the infinite.
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The idea that the Apostles went to their deaths proclaiming Jesus as the Son of God is ridiculous if He never existed.
Tacitus, IIRC, also mentioned Jesus's execution.
I regret not adhering to a religious community.
Maslow's ideology & co were drilled into me from a young age
yet when I emigrated to the atomised society that the mainstream West is - I collapsed.
I regret not joining religious communities of less-mainstream Western folks, in my adopted country.
Maslow's ideology & co were drilled into me from a young age
yet when I emigrated to the atomised society that the mainstream West is - I collapsed.
I regret not joining religious communities of less-mainstream Western folks, in my adopted country.
Religion, the idea of something bigger out there, was not born out of power and greed. Faith or belief in something bigger probably happened when mankind became self aware, when they realized that they were a distinct being, when they realized you grow old and die, when you realize there are things out there that want to kill you, or an indifferent nature. The story of Adam and Eve is not about humans living in paradise and cast out by a nasty old man in a robe because they dared to learn something, it is an allegory where Eden is man before being self aware, where only the moment touched them and they didn't really understand death and dying, growing old, disease. When man became aware (the fruit of the tree of forbidden knowledge) it wasn't that they were cast out of eden, it is they realized it had never been eden.
So you are this somewhat hairless ape, and you realize there is a lot in the world that either thinks you are food or simply can kill you, you are alone....so you look and think 'there has to be something that can protect me".......
The real story with religion is when it gets specific, when there is organized dogma, where there is the notion of 'religious truth', you combine that with humans who naturally like the idea of being the one who brings the truth, and the power it gives over others, and the rest is as they say history. It isn't so much that churches only exist for money and power, while they have had a lot of montebanks who did so for that, most were not Donald Trump, grifters, most truly believed, but they also loved the money and power and control it gave them, it fed their soul as much as God did.
So you are this somewhat hairless ape, and you realize there is a lot in the world that either thinks you are food or simply can kill you, you are alone....so you look and think 'there has to be something that can protect me".......
The real story with religion is when it gets specific, when there is organized dogma, where there is the notion of 'religious truth', you combine that with humans who naturally like the idea of being the one who brings the truth, and the power it gives over others, and the rest is as they say history. It isn't so much that churches only exist for money and power, while they have had a lot of montebanks who did so for that, most were not Donald Trump, grifters, most truly believed, but they also loved the money and power and control it gave them, it fed their soul as much as God did.
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So where did billions of trillions of tons of matter come from?
Genesis actually mates up pretty well with the big bang theory. It's allegory, of course, but in broad terms, it is the big bang.
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It probably doesn't help that there are two different creation stories in Genesis, back to back.
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Yeah, light coming after vegetation is perfectly scientific.
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Gen 1:3
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Religion is bollocks - all religions. Try and get over it.
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The Sun and moon come after the plants.
I doubt any physicist or cosmologist believes it has "always been here." (Cue Big Bang Theory theme.)
And the light came before the Sun and Moon. Funny how that works.
Of course, the One True Church is an exception to all rules. Including that one.
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Wow! I'm glad I saw this. I'll have to tell my son that just finished his degree in pastoral studies and is heading to seminary that he really doesn't want to help people and show them God's love. He's just a power hungry man who wishes to get rich.
(He'll probably make around $50,000 dollars. Hope his future family can stand the opulence.)Wow! I'm glad I saw this. I'll have to tell my son that just finished his degree in pastoral studies and is heading to seminary that he really doesn't want to help people and show them God's love. He's just a power hungry man who wishes to get rich.
No human being can show another God's love.
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