Confederate Flag

[stxjimmy]

"Oh, I wish I were in the land of cotton................"

[cue triggered snowflakes]

Here’s a much finer song

 

[YDB95]

Oh, so if people today decide what the confederate flag means now, historical context can be dismissed.

Nope. I didn't say anything even a little bit like that, and you know it.

First you call people ignorant and naive for not accepting historical context. When I point out the massive historical context of the swastika, you furiously backpedal and say what matters is what it means now.

The length of time during which the swastika had positive connotations is irrelevant. Historical context does not mean "for a longer period of time".

So much for historical context, eh?

Nice try.

 

[nowisthetime]

You can spot the people who do not respect Black Americans by their views of the Confederate flag. No matter how much gaslighting the right wing circle jerk sputters, that flag represents treason and the preservation of slavery. Lincoln didn't want to hang their asses because he wanted to heal the union. However, the union has not really healed and many want to bury true history.

I know some on the right will bring up...but but ..the Irish were slaves. No they were not. Many (not all) of those Irish indentured servants were a bunch of criminals that had a choice between the gallows or indentured servitude. The Irish were also paid, hence not slavery. The Irish never experienced CHATTEL SLAVERY.

They chose indentured servitude over being executed. So they agreed to a few years of labor. They were provided housing, food, healthcare and shelter. After they were released on freedom dues, they were given either land or capital. Furthermore, they were white people, could walk freely around without being lynched for escaping their boss. The English gave the Irish the jobs like bossing the slaves around in the fields while they stayed in the house. Many of these indentured servants took pleasure inflicting pain on slaves.

https://www.nps.gov/hamp/learn/historyculture/indentured-servants.htm

The right wing circle jerks are actively trying to deny and lie about history, don't let them.

 

[TastySuckToy]

The length of time during which the swastika had positive connotations is irrelevant.

So the length of time during which the confederate flag had negative connotations is irrelevant.

 

[Lazaran]

So the length of time during which the confederate flag had negative connotations is irrelevant.

It. Does. Not. Work. That. Way.

It does NOT work BOTH ways: ESPECIALLY when the negative association / connotation (racism & fascism respectively when it comes to the confederate flag & the swastika) of a symbol is SO egregious / atrocious , and the group adopting / co-opting the symbol is SO egregious / atrocious.



Hope. That. ^ Helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Sign54]

You can spot the people who do not respect Black Americans by their views of the Confederate flag. No matter how much gaslighting the right wing circle jerk sputters, that flag represents treason and the preservation of slavery. Lincoln didn't want to hang their asses because he wanted to heal the union. However, the union has not really healed and many want to bury true history.

I know some on the right will bring up...but but ..the Irish were slaves. No they were not. Many (not all) of those Irish indentured servants were a bunch of criminals that had a choice between the gallows or indentured servitude. The Irish were also paid, hence not slavery. The Irish never experienced CHATTEL SLAVERY.

They chose indentured servitude over being executed. So they agreed to a few years of labor. They were provided housing, food, healthcare and shelter. After they were released on freedom dues, they were given either land or capital. Furthermore, they were white people, could walk freely around without being lynched for escaping their boss. The English gave the Irish the jobs like bossing the slaves around in the fields while they stayed in the house. Many of these indentured servants took pleasure inflicting pain on slaves.

https://www.nps.gov/hamp/learn/historyculture/indentured-servants.htm

The right wing circle jerks are actively trying to deny and lie about history, don't let them.

The KKK uses the Confederate Flag as they know its real meaning. I mean, they use it for racism as that is the ONLY way to use it. Exactly 0 synogogues use Nazi style synogogues.

 

[YDB95]

So the length of time during which the confederate flag had negative connotations is irrelevant.

Correct. What matters is the connotations it has now. Same goes for the swastika, but there is a crucial difference: unlike the swastika, the Confederate flag has always been a symbol of oppression and hate.

 

[TastySuckToy]

the Confederate flag has always been a symbol of oppression and hate.

To you. We're right back to me reminding you that you do not get dictate what anything means to anybody else.

 

[YDB95]

To you. We're right back to me reminding you that you do not get dictate what anything means to anybody else.

I've already acknowledged, I can't stop you from burying your head in the sand if that's what you want to do. I can't stop you from believing Mr. Rogers was the ringleader of a satanic cult, or that there were dinosaurs on Noah's Ark, or that the Confederate flag isn't racist. You do you. Just don't expect anyone else to take your nonsense seriously.

 

[stxjimmy]

To you. We're right back to me reminding you that you do not get dictate what anything means to anybody else.

It’s meaning is way beyond clear to all.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I've already acknowledged, I can't

Glad we're on the same page.

You do you. Just don't expect anyone else to take your nonsense seriously.

So your objections have been boiled down to you needing the approval and support of others for your opinions and beliefs to be 'valid'.

 

[YDB95]

So your objections have been boiled down to you needing the approval and support of others for your opinions and beliefs to be 'valid'.

My only objection in the first place was to your claim that anyone here was calling for banning the Confederate flag. No one here ever said that.

 

[TastySuckToy]

My only objection in the first place was to your claim that anyone here was calling for banning the Confederate flag. No one here ever said that.

I never claimed that. I merely asked a question. You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension.

 

[Sign54]

My only objection in the first place was to your claim that anyone here was calling for banning the Confederate flag. No one here ever said that.

I mean, Jason Aldean(Trump's golfing buddy and mediocre country singer with the heart of a Klansman) said it was "heritage" and flew them at his shows AFTER 2015.

 

[YDB95]

So if enough people claim a flag is offensive and declare what it 'really' stands for, we should ban it?

Interesting implications.

I never claimed that. I merely asked a question. You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension.

"Communicating poorly and then acting smug when you're misunderstood isn't cleverness." (XKCD)

 

[TastySuckToy]

"Communicating poorly and then acting smug when you're misunderstood isn't cleverness." (XKCD)

"When you're the only one who keeps complaining about misunderstandings, maybe the problem isn't everyone else." (WSQG)

 

[YDB95]

"When you're the only one who keeps complaining about misunderstandings, maybe the problem isn't everyone else." (WSQG)

I'm not the only one here who has called you on your nonsense.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I'm not the only one here who has called you on your nonsense.

You're not the only fool on this site, on that we are in total agreement.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

i think it was since the 2020s era or maybe it was since 2010s

reruns of the old tv show dukes of hazzards got the boot from i think most tv networks in the us of a because of the infamous flag

in other words reruns of dukes of hazzards is banned now a days on tv networks