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bluebell said:
Hills Like White Elephants was always a fave for me, and not many people talk about that one. Or I'm just hearing the wrong conversations.
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Never read that one. I read him late in life, had I read him in my late teens or early 20's I'm sure it would have had the same effect on me as Springsteen's " Born To Run" had on my contemporaries. The whole macho, honor things has it's place but I think he was too attached to it and where, say the Samurai, had the base of Zen Buddhism and reincarnation as a cushion, with Hemingway, once he couldn't live up to the myth anymore and had descended into alcoholism he killed himself. Which is simply confusing the illusion of the Ego with what you actually are.


But who am I to judge?
 
Tathagata said:
Never read that one. I read him late in life, had I read him in my late teens or early 20's I'm sure it would have had the same effect on me as Springsteen's " Born To Run" had on my contemporaries. The whole macho, honor things has it's place but I think he was too attached to it and where, say the Samurai, had the base of Zen Buddhism and reincarnation as a cushion, with Hemingway, once he couldn't live up to the myth anymore and had descended into alcoholism he killed himself. Which is simply confusing the illusion of the Ego with what you actually are.


But who am I to judge?
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It's a short story, so it wouldn't take your experienced eyeballs long to get through. I'm the opposite: read him more earlier, and not as much later. I should revisit, though.

A couple years ago I read the novel The Paris Wife about his first marriage to Hadley Richardson. It's fictionalized about her experience with him, but the thing that really struck me was how much the culture and money of the time period factors in for people like him and other creators during that time. It's one thing that they either don't teach you in school, or you're just not old enough to understand what it means yet. Excess. How can a kid reconcile EXCESS? Kids love excess, that's what they dream of. It's completely different when you marry the concept of excess with living skint and working drudgery. It rounds out the works a lot more for me.

I understand what you mean. He was really incisive, even when it came to himself, but I think he had a hard time owning his actions, and like you said- when the code failed, he failed.
 
bluebell said:
It's a short story, so it wouldn't take your experienced eyeballs long to get through. I'm the opposite: read him more earlier, and not as much later. I should revisit, though.

A couple years ago I read the novel The Paris Wife about his first marriage to Hadley Richardson. It's fictionalized about her experience with him, but the thing that really struck me was how much the culture and money of the time period factors in for people like him and other creators during that time. It's one thing that they either don't teach you in school, or you're just not old enough to understand what it means yet. Excess. How can a kid reconcile EXCESS? Kids love excess, that's what they dream of. It's completely different when you marry the concept of excess with living skint and working drudgery. It rounds out the works a lot more for me.

I understand what you mean. He was really incisive, even when it came to himself, but I think he had a hard time owning his actions, and like you said- when the code failed, he failed.
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One of the only people who wrote about excess in a non-romanticized way was Bukowski and, to an extent, Burroughs.
I agree when you are young and you read " The Great Gatsby" you want to recreate Paris and drink martini's and be unaccountable and anarchistic, free from responsibility and spend your life in pursuit of sensual pleasure.
When you are 20 or 30 you can do it, and I think in many cases it's probably a good thing.

But then you read Bukowski and see where it leads if you aren't a published author or a well respected actor or artist and the reality of it, in this world, is poverty and addiction and sickness.

I think Hemingway was a guy who never grew up.

Kerouac was another one who just never let go of his image.

But while they were in the throes of their belief they created some great art

So who is to say it was a waste of time or a life?



Should I add some gratuitous fluff?


What's this long nipple obsession you have?
 
This thread, B.E. (Before Eyer):

http://i.imgur.com/P6ic9fg.jpg

http://33.media.tumblr.com/7393afd6c1d384324ec6124c561ae5e3/tumblr_mwo4ewEx9T1rxinpyo1_500.gif

http://38.media.tumblr.com/c7988beca23df82186265d916c91dd33/tumblr_n5o3llvX1V1tukjy5o1_500.gif

This thread, D.E. (During Eyer):

http://cdn2.listsoplenty.com/listsoplenty-cdn/pix/uploads/2010/06/Animated-werewolf-attack.gif

http://media3.giphy.com/media/oe6lLALwF5McM/giphy.gif

https://horrormoviesinnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/the-strain.gif

This thread, A.E. (After Eyer):

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/chloe-moretz-carrie-gif.gif

http://media.giphy.com/media/tnWIY3It2GBEc/giphy.gif

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30900000/got-game-of-thrones-30979429-500-281.gif

https://aqu52.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/hyy.gif?w=440&h=243
 
townieamy said:
Alone? I'm pretty sure I said he would be with his friends. Anyways, it's irrelevant because I also said I'm not going (just that I think it would've been fun is all -- thus the "confession").

And sex is never boring to me. I'll take it in all forms. My husband just doesn't have the desire he used to, and the unfortunate part to that is now I want it like I've never wanted it before.

Also, I know it's important but I feel like getting divorced over sex after 18 years of marriage seems shallow. Our marriage is perfectly fine otherwise.
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#he'sfuckinghissecretay
 
Tigersman said:
My first question is what are you doing going to a bar alone? Since you are wanting to get together with this guy without his friends around then it is evident you are seriously thinking of cheating on your husband. Once you go down this road you will continue to cheat over and over with different guys. No matter how hard you try to keep the husband from finding out, someone that knows both of you will see you then word will get back to your husband. Once that happens it is divorce time. If sex is boring to you with the husband then it is time for you to try to spice things up to put the fire back into the marriage. If you do not want to put forth the effort then at least have the backbone to tell your husband that you want a divorce.

I personally tried to save a marriage over a 8 plus year span to a woman just like you. It was not worth the time or trouble including the stress. I am lucky that I did not end up with STD's or HIV from her "outings." My ex would spread her legs for just about anyone including married men. I feel sorry for your husband.
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Learn to fucking READ, you asshole!

Read, think, and THEN click the reply button.

It's not fucking rocket science.
 
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