Conservatives Moving Into Idaho From Blue State Hells

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Conservatives tend to enjoy the outdoors

The Bass Pro Shop isn't the outdoors.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The Bass Pro Shop isn't the outdoors.

So?

 

[Zanzie]

I live in Idaho and it is a beautiful state- but sadly, it has always had it's share of ugly people. Most of these live in the rural and outlying areas; Boise is still fairly reasonable. People lean conservative in Boise but most of them are conservative in a reasonable way, not hateful extremists (like the O.P. for example) who are campaigning to turn their state (and the rest of the country) into an impoverished authoritarian dictatorship.

Many Idahoans- both conservative and liberal, are actively pushing back against the hateful and authoritarian agenda pushed by the Rightguides and Hiscanhelpys of the world, and definitely making it known that they are unwelcome here. HOWEVER, by extension, I should be fair in saying that the failed ideas of urban leadership that have let down the larger coastal cities are not very well accepted either. Like I said, old-school Idahoans are conservative but work for fair, equitable and practical solutions towards good governance. Hatred, discrimination, censorship, anti-democratic values, and (especially) repression of individual liberties have NEVER been acceptable to Idahoans- something these newcomers will learn- maybe the hard way.

I didn't mean to sound so contemptuous of Idaho, and apologies to you and your home state if I did.

What I meant was that, reputationally, many in America view Idaho as conservative and even extremist. That may be an attraction to some, and certainly a deterrent to others.

I just felt the article, and this thread, leap to a laughably biased conclusion: 65% of people moving to Idaho are Republicans, so that must prove that Americans are "fleeing Blue State Hells"? The preference for or againt Idaho goes both ways. People who live in "Blue State Hells" do not wish to live in "Red State Hells" where politics are extremely conservative.

 

[DeluxAuto]

So?

I sometimes forget how dumb you are. My bad.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Zanie, You weren't contemptuous, not in the way I hear so often about California on this forum. It is actually a good post. The truth is, many people love Idaho's outdoor spaces and nature, but are disgusted with the state legislature and the outright bigotry and hate that masquerades as "Conservatism" that seems to have taken hold there. Which is the one reason I choose to live here.

And you have people in the legislature who are open about wanting to sell off all of the public land, put up "No Tresspassing" signs everywhere, so all the nature and outdoor spaces which are considered such draw here, may ironically end up being taken away by these same so-called "Conservatives" people seem to love so much.

 

[YDB95]

Yet they still have three electoral votes as I recall, equal to about 500K californian votes, right?

Four. And like all small states, they have outsized influence in the electoral college (but that lessens as their population swells with wingnuts who now can't vote in whatever state they came from).

 

[Ciceri]

I'm in Cd'A and thinking of moving out. The MAGAt's have ruined it. 60% of librarians responding to a recent survey say they're thinking of switching careers or moving out of Idaho. The ChristoFascists are trying to run the show. You cannot have democracy at gunpoint. Doesn't work that way. We are not a theocracy

 

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Name one "leftist" policy in those districts. Just one.

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I'm in Cd'A and thinking of moving out. The MAGAt's have ruined it. 60% of librarians responding to a recent survey say they're thinking of switching careers or moving out of Idaho. The ChristoFascists are trying to run the show. You cannot have democracy at gunpoint. Doesn't work that way. We are not a theocracy

The OP is one of those assholes.

 

[Ciceri]

Reichguide has left the chat.

The OP is one of those assholes.

Yep. They're pushing for secession or at the least to annex E. WA & OR (except for Multnomah county). There are majority of sensible people here who want nothing to do with those nutjobs. We're a democracy so when something is put to vote and the majority has spoken, the extremists complain about oppression and tyranny and whatever else their cult leaders tell them to say. They can go away to some Arab country if they want to taste tyranny

 

[DeluxAuto]

Yep. They're pushing for secession or at the least to annex E. WA & OR (except for Multnomah county). There are majority of sensible people here who want nothing to do with those nutjobs. We're a democracy so when something is put to vote and the majority has spoken, the extremists complain about oppression and tyranny and whatever else their cult leaders tell them to say. They can go away to some Arab country if they want to taste tyranny

Well said, sane person.

 

[PaxNurgle]

The problem is, the extremists want to bring the Arab Country style tyranny to America. Some of the things they are propose are downright terrifying.

I, too, live in Idaho (Boise area) and have seen this first hand. What people from outside the state don't realize is the extremists that call Idaho home today don't represent the view of most long-time Idaho residents who have lived here all their lives. THIS is why there is so much backlash against Californians moving here.

Most long-time Idahoans are conservative, but conservative in a Mitt Romney or Bob Dole kind of way, if you will. Reasonable people who would generally take a pro-buisness, less needless regulation track on things, and generally believed in both individual freedom and self-sufficiency, with a dim view of both the "Welfare state" and the Gilead/White Christian Taliban movements of the left and far right (respectively.) The old-guard Idaho Republicans tended to be pro-environmental stewardship, but opposed to simply locking up lands to all public use.

And consequently, most long-time residents are likewise appalled at the direction our state has taken when the hate-mongering, anti-personal-freedom, pro-Gilead faction of the party has taken such a disproportionate amount of influence. And speaking of Gilead, the novel that this literary reference is taken from is, ironically, among the books they are trying to ban.

I should also mention that the community college in Coeur D'Alene (north Idaho) lost it's accredation because the board was taken over by far-right extremists. And that the radical abortion laws have also led to a mass exodus of gynocologists and health providers. In Idaho, if your 12 year old daughter is raped by her uncle, not only is she legally required to carry the pregnancy to term (even if it endangers her own health) but YOU, the Father, can be sent to jail simply for taking your own raped, pregnant daughter across state lines to receive care!

 

[Ciceri]

Well said, sane person.

I was raised in Seattle where I thought I was right of center. But move to a place like northern Idaho and you might not feel that way after awhile. I understand Conservatives' desire for less govt interference but lately they've been wanting more govt overreach - a la meddling in peoples' bedrooms and book banning. It's all steeped in Christo-fascism and I want nothing to do with that.

 

[Ciceri]

The problem is, the extremists want to bring the Arab Country style tyranny to America. Some of the things they are propose are downright terrifying.

I, too, live in Idaho (Boise area) and have seen this first hand. What people from outside the state don't realize is the extremists that call Idaho home today don't represent the view of most long-time Idaho residents who have lived here all their lives. THIS is why there is so much backlash against Californians moving here.

Most long-time Idahoans are conservative, but conservative in a Mitt Romney or Bob Dole kind of way, if you will. Reasonable people who would generally take a pro-buisness, less needless regulation track on things, and generally believed in both individual freedom and self-sufficiency, with a dim view of both the "Welfare state" and the Gilead/White Christian Taliban movements of the left and far right (respectively.) The old-guard Idaho Republicans tended to be pro-environmental stewardship, but opposed to simply locking up lands to all public use.

And consequently, most long-time residents are likewise appalled at the direction our state has taken when the hate-mongering, anti-personal-freedom, pro-Gilead faction of the party has taken such a disproportionate amount of influence. And speaking of Gilead, the novel that this literary reference is taken from is, ironically, among the books they are trying to ban.

I should also mention that the community college in Coeur D'Alene (north Idaho) lost it's accredation because the board was taken over by far-right extremists. And that the radical abortion laws have also led to a mass exodus of gynocologists and health providers. In Idaho, if your 12 year old daughter is raped by her uncle, not only is she legally required to carry the pregnancy to term (even if it endangers her own health) but YOU, the Father, can be sent to jail simply for taking your own raped, pregnant daughter across state lines to receive care!

Lots of people with Covid were spilling over the WA/ID border and filling Spokane ERs. I imagine the women/girls will seek reproductive care in Spokane as well (which, btw, isn't a great medical hub as they claim to be). Gov Inslee declared WA a safe haven and will not stand for Idaho's draconian measures of arresting these doctors. Wow.. I never thought we'd be at this juncture. Speaking of Boise, I am disappointed at both Mormons and Catholics for letting these MAGA extremists run rampant - in many cases embracing this extremism. It's simply not Christ-like.

 

[DeluxAuto]

I understand Conservatives' desire for less govt interference but lately they've been wanting more govt overreach - a la meddling in peoples' bedrooms and book banning. It's all steeped in Christo-fascism and I want nothing to do with that.

Reagan was a long fucking time ago.

 

[Ciceri]

Reagan was a long fucking time ago.

We've been in decline ever since. Btw, I don't even consider GOP conservative anymore. It's now the party of excess. There's nothing conservative about their agenda . Every accusation is a confession. If it benefits people and the planet, they're against it. I don't understand how the average person bought into this bullshit

 

[ByteMe13]

Idaho is full of religious whackos and gun nuts.

 

[YDB95]

Reagan was a long fucking time ago.

And he didn't really mean it either. He wanted government to stay out of business but he was more than happy to keep it in the bedroom and the doctor's office.

 

[DeluxAuto]

And he didn't really mean it either. He wanted government to stay out of business but he was more than happy to keep it in the bedroom and the doctor's office.

Sort of.

He kept AIDS in the closet and made let the mentally ill fend for themselves.

The state of our homeless crisis is square on his shoulders

 

[Nicefella]

I didn't mean to sound so contemptuous of Idaho, and apologies to you and your home state if I did.

What I meant was that, reputationally, many in America view Idaho as conservative and even extremist. That may be an attraction to some, and certainly a deterrent to others.

I just felt the article, and this thread, leap to a laughably biased conclusion: 65% of people moving to Idaho are Republicans, so that must prove that Americans are "fleeing Blue State Hells"? The preference for or againt Idaho goes both ways. People who live in "Blue State Hells" do not wish to live in "Red State Hells" where politics are extremely conservative.

I think there is this sudden uptick in reporting about people leaving CA specifically because they can’t stand the politics. It’s not that at all. It’s the affordability factor and taxes.

I would move to southern CA in a heartbeat and gladly pay all the taxes. The thing that concerns me most is not the cost of living but the spike in homelessness and the state’s unwillingness to curb it. But that said NYC has the same issue. It just seems that there are more homeless on the streets everywhere but they seem to be in full force in CA, especially LA, SD, and Orange counties.

 

[Rightguide]

I think there is this sudden uptick in reporting about people leaving CA specifically because they can’t stand the politics. It’s not that at all. It’s the affordability factor and taxes.

I would move to southern CA in a heartbeat and gladly pay all the taxes. The thing that concerns me most is not the cost of living but the spike in homelessness and the state’s unwillingness to curb it. But that said NYC has the same issue. It just seems that there are more homeless on the streets everywhere but they seem to be in full force in CA, especially LA, SD, and Orange counties.

Have you seen downtown L.A. recently?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Doesn’t surprise me. I know three conservative Californians who have moved to Idaho over the past couple years. Liberals tend to prefer big city urban living. Conservatives tend to enjoy the outdoors and rural living.

Trump is definitely an outdoorsman.

 

[Rotadom]

Have you seen downtown L.A. recently?

Have you?

 

[ByteMe13]

Idaho is also home to people like Chad Daybell. So watch your children

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I think there is this sudden uptick in reporting about people leaving CA specifically because they can’t stand the politics. It’s not that at all. It’s the affordability factor and taxes.

I would move to southern CA in a heartbeat and gladly pay all the taxes. The thing that concerns me most is not the cost of living but the spike in homelessness and the state’s unwillingness to curb it. But that said NYC has the same issue. It just seems that there are more homeless on the streets everywhere but they seem to be in full force in CA, especially LA, SD, and Orange counties.

The spike is the number of homeless going down in LA.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/us/los-angeles-homeless-count.html

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Trump is definitely an outdoorsman.

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