COVID impacts

[_Lynn_]

Hope it's negative, Lynn. Fingers crossed.

Thanks. Me too.

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

Prayers with you, Lynn Hope it’s negative, and hope you’re doing well!

 

[Rustyoznail]

I had the COVID test today, which wasn't painful but certainly uncomfortable. It was just as a precaution before the next cardioversion, which is scheduled for this Friday.

Everyone at work was asked to undertake a test so the State could start building a better picture of community transmission. Certainly uncomfortable, but on the basis of these tests we're now slowly winding back restrictions.

I was negative. I hope you are too, Lynn.

Best wishes

 

[_Lynn_]

Prayers with you, Lynn Hope it’s negative, and hope you’re doing well!

On a positive note (pun intended), I got my antibody test results this morning. The SO and I were extremely lucky; he was a symptomatic and I only had the rash a couple of days and some fatigue.

Everyone at work was asked to undertake a test so the State could start building a better picture of community transmission. Certainly uncomfortable, but on the basis of these tests we're now slowly winding back restrictions.

I was negative. I hope you are too, Lynn.

Best wishes

Thanks.

I don't have any of the symptoms and expect it to be negative. Friday I have my second cardioversion for Afib. The test today was just a requirement the hospital has before any procedure.

 

[Bramblethorn]

That was a VE day celebration in honor of the 75 anniversary of the end of WWII.

End of WWII in Europe, that is - elsewhere it dragged out several more months.

 

[NotWise]

We've had a particularly heinous couple in the local news for the last few years. They ran a financial management company specialized in managing the estates of people who were no longer competent to do it themselves. The State convicted them of stealing something like $30 million from their clients, then they skipped the night before they were supposed to report to prison.

The Feds found them in Oklahoma and brought them back, where they were stored in privately-run prisons waiting trial on federal charges. The paper this morning announced that the 73-year-old woman (the main perpetrator) has tested positive for COVID19.

At her age, she may not survive to be tried again.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Here is the latest information on COVID-19...

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Hmmm... interesting thread.

Stats in the U.S. - so far 30 people have died from the virus.

In other news... in the U.S. 190+ people will die from a heart attack TODAY!

Some kind of pandemic is happening, but not the one that is being given all the hype. Just thought y'all should know.

I wasn't going to bring this up, but seeing your latest dismissive post, Zeb, perhaps it's worth revisiting.

You posted that 86 days ago, 12th post on this thread, 13 March.

As of TODAY!, Zeb, the Johns Hopkins dashboard says that 110,110 people in the USA have died of COVID-19. We'll be generous and take your 30 off that - 110,080. That's an average of 1,280 COVID fatalities per day - above and beyond however many heart attack victims. Ref: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (Mod - other site listed only for purpose of informed discussion.)

Of course, the CDC figures are a bit different. The CDC only lists 109,901 deaths, which is 'only' 1,278 COVID deaths per day. Rrf: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

Just thought y'all should know...

 

[KeithD]

Although, no, I'm not panicked--most of the time I've had to shelter it's because there were tanks rumbling and bullets flying in the streets--110,000 dead people in three months is most certainly something to be very (very!) concerned about--especially when you add evidence that many of the "recovered" have a long recovery with lasting effects for who knows long. Playing this down just to support a failed president doesn't cut it.

Not knowing what the effect of having millions of people out in the streets in protesting crowds is going to have on an infection curve that was still rising most everywhere when the opening up began is also a reason to have great concern (for our fellow human beings) until, by some miracle, it doesn't bite us hard in the ass.

Still able to shelter here and still doing it. And not panicking, actually, which I guess disappoints the Trumpers.

 

[lovecraft68]

I wasn't going to bring this up, but seeing your latest dismissive post, Zeb, perhaps it's worth revisiting.

You posted that 86 days ago, 12th post on this thread, 13 March.

As of TODAY!, Zeb, the Johns Hopkins dashboard says that 110,110 people in the USA have died of COVID-19. We'll be generous and take your 30 off that - 110,080. That's an average of 1,280 COVID fatalities per day - above and beyond however many heart attack victims. Ref: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (Mod - other site listed only for purpose of informed discussion.)

Of course, the CDC figures are a bit different. The CDC only lists 109,901 deaths, which is 'only' 1,278 COVID deaths per day. Rrf: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

Just thought y'all should know...

Isn't it funny, not funny, that not one death is attributed to the flu, pneumonia, bronchitis or any other respiratory ailment?

Oh, wait, its not when you consider hospitals received funding for covid deaths.

Last week my cousin's father in law who is 84 was very sick and my cousin took him to his primary, they did the covid test and it was negative, he had pneumonia and because of his age he said to get him to the hospital and called ahead to tell them he was coming and what he had.

he gets there, they put him in the covid ward despite what the doctor said, he died two days later,...they put covid on the death certificate

Back in December, long before Covid started Fauci-everyone's favorite schill who has walked back half of everything he says depending on who put the bigger deposit in his account that day-said to be prepared for a flu season on par with 2016/2017 during which 61k died of flu related issues and 814k were hospitalized in the US...

But now...suddenly there is no mention of that. There is no flu, only covid when the reality is the death total is that high because of a combination of covid and a bad flu season, but guess there's only room for covid...has more political clout.

So as much as I know people love the fear mongering and hysteria of it's really more than x number of deaths...fact is its really less.

But now let's talk about how suddenly its okay for thousands of people in mass gatherings because they're protesting...that's okay, but people protesting being locked down...that was a threat...this isn't?

But yet...the same idiots who were concerned with people on the beach, but not concerned with thousands of protesters, will again suddenly and conveniently be concerned that we shouldn't go out and vote in November

And therein lies the problem with lying and exaggerating for political gain.

Now do I think C-19 isn't real? Not at all, do I take it seriously? Yes. I live with someone with a compromised immune system so yes, I think its legit...but like a bad comedian the media and some politicians take a joke way too far and turns it into another fear-mongering tool to destroy an opponents economy..but in reality destroying their own voters lives as well.

Covid and the riots...red pilling more and more people every day. If anyone doubts that check the stat of 2 million new gun owners in the last week...2 mil who never felt the need to owna gun, but now do...two mil who just realized how important 2a is and who respects it and who doesn't.

Oh, and why did they need the guns? Because police were told-only by dem mayors/Governors-to literally watch the rioters burn and loot to kiss activist ass. if 20% of those new gun owners decide to vote right? That's a lot of votes.

What does this have to do with Covid? The fact that since the protests started, suddenly none of the whining screaming old ladies running dem cities are concerned with the pandemic showing how exaggerated it was...one lie, just exposed another.

2020 the year NO ONE died of anything but Covid.

Undecided on what the bigger joke is, that its being told or people believe it

A few months ago I swore I would do the blue no matter who thing...now I have become so goddamn disgusted with both parties all I know is that in November whatever third name makes that ballot tea party, libertarian, Joe schmuck from the moose party...I'm voting for them

Fuck all these idiots...but fuck the dems more at this point for being so blinded by hate and desperation and demonstrating stupidity that you can't make up...for pushing people to vote for the other side, because I can't tell you how many people I have heard since the riots stared vowing that's what they're going to do

What a year this is.

 

[KeithD]

The birther folks are out. Time to take it to the Political Forum.

 

[ElectricBlue]

if 20% of those new gun owners decide to vote right? That's a lot of votes.

Make voting compulsory - as it is in many democratic countries but Australia is the one I know - solves the problem of political accountability.

The American notion of only voting because you want to or because someone puts on buses I find truly bizarre. Here in Oz you get fined if you don't vote - our turn-out is generally up around 97%, something of that order.

But then, I live in a parliamentary democracy and we get who we vote for - it takes five minutes every three or four years (depending whether it's Federal or State and who's called an early election) so it's hardly a burden and you've had your say.

Generally speaking it's a self-balancing system that swings across the centre and keeps the clowns out on the left and right extremes, where if they're lucky they might have the balance of power (but rarely know what to do with it).

 

[Bramblethorn]

Although, no, I'm not panicked--most of the time I've had to shelter it's because there were tanks rumbling and bullets flying in the streets--110,000 dead people in three months is most certainly something to be very (very!) concerned about--especially when you add evidence that many of the "recovered" have a long recovery with lasting effects for who knows long.

Also - that's the body count WITH all the precautions people have been taking. Arguing "you don't need to worry because it hasn't killed many people" is like saying "I'm not getting wet so obviously I don't need this umbrella".

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Lovecraft, you are absolutely right. I don't care how holy you think your cause is, putting masses of people together right now is unjustifiable I've no skin in the political game; a pox on all politicians. This isn't about politics - or, at least, it shouldn't be. It's about medicine, statistics and, to a somewhat lesser degree, economics. Those who are trying to make it political are doing so by gambling with the lives of a lot of people - and those who cannot understand the likely impact of a three-day doubling time on a lethal disease (which was apparent three months ago) need to be send back to do Grade 4 math.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Here is the latest information on COVID-19...

Quick quiz: if somebody offers you a choice between a pay rate of $50k per year, or $10k per month, which would you choose?

Anybody who picked the second option is smarter, or more honest, than the person who put together this graphic.

I didn't find the exact source for the numbers in that table - like most shysters, they're not keen on showing their working - but I found enough to be pretty sure that they're comparing the annual all-causes deaths rates with a couple of months' worth of deaths from an epidemic that has been running for much less than a year.

The all-causes rates are about the same as the annual rates shown in Figure 3 here.

Total US population in the 85+ age range is about 5893k. Total recorded coronavirus deaths in that bracket so far: 29214.

Putting those two together, coronavirus has killed about 0.5% of that age range in the last few months[/url]. The current rates probably translate to a mortality of about 2-3% annually in that age range, though that could increase considerably if people get bored of taking precautions and let it spread faster - or if it turns out that the long-term mortality is bad, something we don't yet know.

edit: I want to emphasise, that's only recorded coronavirus deaths - excess deaths data suggests that quite a few might be missing from the official count, because of people who die without ever being diagnosed.

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Isn't it funny, not funny, that not one death is attributed to the flu, pneumonia, bronchitis or any other respiratory ailment?

Actually, Florida has gotten caught for attributing as many COVID deaths as possible to pneumonia. No matter what one's ideological persuasion, the fact of the matter is that the supposedly pneumonia-related deaths this year is up dramatically, and up by roughly the same number of COVID deaths that were expected but not recorded.

Just like Florida got caught trying to hide COVID deaths, it's not really possible to inflate them by reporting non-COVID deaths as COVID deaths, at least not without getting caught. All states have to report mortality data. If they move pneumonia or flu into COVID, they will have numbers in the pneumonia and flu categories that are out of kilter with the historical data. It doesn't normally change that much from year to year.

It's only recently that hospitals even began testing very many patients after they died. There was too much of a shortage of test kits to do that.

It's easy to falsely report individual cases, one way or the other, but the overall statistics are not as easily manipulated without the trick becoming obvious.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Just like Florida got caught trying to hide COVID deaths, it's not really possible to inflate them by reporting non-COVID deaths as COVID deaths, at least not without getting caught. All states have to report mortality data. If they move pneumonia or flu into COVID, they will have numbers in the pneumonia and flu categories that are out of kilter with the historical data. It doesn't normally change that much from year to year.

It's the beginning of the winter flu season here in Oz, and you're right, usually the health authorities get a pretty good idea of each year's flu severity by comparing it to the same period from the year before.

In my state at least they're already seeing a side benefit of social isolation because this year's flu numbers are significantly down. Given that Covid attributed cases are in the grand scheme of things very low, the nett result is actually a healthier population going into winter.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I wasn't going to bring this up, but seeing your latest dismissive post, Zeb, perhaps it's worth revisiting.

You posted that 86 days ago, 12th post on this thread, 13 March.

As of TODAY!, Zeb, the Johns Hopkins dashboard says that 110,110 people in the USA have died of COVID-19. We'll be generous and take your 30 off that - 110,080. That's an average of 1,280 COVID fatalities per day - above and beyond however many heart attack victims. Ref: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (Mod - other site listed only for purpose of informed discussion.)

Of course, the CDC figures are a bit different. The CDC only lists 109,901 deaths, which is 'only' 1,278 COVID deaths per day. Rrf: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

Just thought y'all should know...

Gee, at the time I posted the original post, that you so thankfully quoted, what I posted was true. Was it not?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Quick quiz: if somebody offers you a choice between a pay rate of $50k per year, or $10k per month, which would you choose?

Anybody who picked the second option is smarter, or more honest, than the person who put together this graphic.

I didn't find the exact source for the numbers in that table - like most shysters, they're not keen on showing their working - but I found enough to be pretty sure that they're comparing the annual all-causes deaths rates with a couple of months' worth of deaths from an epidemic that has been running for much less than a year.

The all-causes rates are about the same as the annual rates shown in Figure 3 here.

Total US population in the 85+ age range is about 5893k. Total recorded coronavirus deaths in that bracket so far: 29214.

Putting those two together, coronavirus has killed about 0.5% of that age range in the last few months[/url]. The current rates probably translate to a mortality of about 2-3% annually in that age range, though that could increase considerably if people get bored of taking precautions and let it spread faster - or if it turns out that the long-term mortality is bad, something we don't yet know.

edit: I want to emphasise, that's only recorded coronavirus deaths - excess deaths data suggests that quite a few might be missing from the official count, because of people who die without ever being diagnosed.

And then there are the people who also aren't diagnosed who are put in the C-19 column of deaths. So how many of those are in the column of >85 deaths as that group is more likely to die of other causes?

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

And then there are the people who also aren't diagnosed who are put in the C-19 column of deaths. So how many of those are in the column of >85 deaths as that group is more likely to die of other causes?

But the point is that you can use the historical data to answer that question. You just compare the deaths in each category to previous years. They stay fairly static. Even when there is a bad year for flu or viral pneumonia, the movement isn't that great. If the "other cause" deaths were being recorded as COVID-related, you would see lower numbers under the other causes, as opposed to previous years.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Are you saying that the people over 85 were likely to die anyway, so the actual cause is incidental? I'm not sure I've quite caught your meaning.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Gee, at the time I posted the original post, that you so thankfully quoted, what I posted was true. Was it not?

Come off it, Zeb. You were trying to use numbers from the very beginning of the epidemic to argue that it wasn't serious. People pointed out that the issue wasn't how many people it had killed but how many it was going to kill. You apparently didn't understand then, and from what you posted yesterday it's obvious that you still don't understand.

And then there are the people who also aren't diagnosed who are put in the C-19 column of deaths. So how many of those are in the column of >85 deaths as that group is more likely to die of other causes?

Before I respond to that - do you acknowledge that the graphic you posted is misleading, that it's deceptive to present an annual mortality rate alongside ~3 months of COVID deaths as if this was a sensible comparison?

Because if you're not going to correct the record when you get caught out spreading misinformation, there is absolutely no point in my wasting time trying to discuss this stuff with you in good faith.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Gee, at the time I posted the original post, that you so thankfully quoted, what I posted was true. Was it not?

Oh, yes, it was true, but only in the sense that just a few dozen people in the USA had died at that point.

It was also pretty clear that you were suggesting that the virus was nothing to worry about, comparing those 30 deaths to the 190+ daily cardiac deaths. It also brushed off warnings of the seriousness of the epidemic as 'hype'.

It ignored the looming reality of a disease which was at that moment decimating other areas around the world, which was showing the statistical tendency to double in numbers every three days.

To be very, very kind, it wasn't a sparkling moment in epidemiological comment.

And then, 110,000 deaths later, you doubled down by posting source-less stats suggesting that COVID still isn't anything to realy worry about. This time, of course, instead of 'hype', you called it 'panic'.

But, yes, on 12 March, there had only been 30 deaths. So, congratulations, I guess.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Oh, yes, it was true, but only in the sense that just a few dozen people in the USA had died at that point.

It was also pretty clear that you were suggesting that the virus was nothing to worry about, comparing those 30 deaths to the 190+ daily cardiac deaths. It also brushed off warnings of the seriousness of the epidemic as 'hype'.

It ignored the looming reality of a disease which was at that moment decimating other areas around the world, which was showing the statistical tendency to double in numbers every three days.

To be very, very kind, it wasn't a sparkling moment in epidemiological comment.

And then, 110,000 deaths later, you doubled down by posting source-less stats suggesting that COVID still isn't anything to realy worry about. This time, of course, instead of 'hype', you called it 'panic'.

But, yes, on 12 March, there had only been 30 deaths. So, congratulations, I guess.

Doesn’t really matter does it. No vaccine, it’s going to spread. The whole point of these lockdowns was to flatten the curve and spread out the impact on the medical system. So far there’s no overwhelmed, not even NYC. My take on it is, open up until the health systems are stressing, and only then do you need to alleviate the pressure. All this panic doesn’t do anyone any good. Looks like the Swedes more or less have the right idea. This virus isn’t going to disappear on us.

 

[KeithD]

It's not panic. It's science-based, common sense determination. The "panic" term is being used to try to defuse the stupidity and direct cause of tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths with which the threat was ignored and mocked for six weeks. This goes with those who keep saying the issue isn't political. Damn straight it's political. The "It's a Democratic Party hoax" and the initial and continued failed response by national leadership to it made it political from the getgo.

 

[oggbashan]

Hurrah! I can get my toenails cut at last!

Because of long-standing health issues I cannot reach my feet to cut my toenails. I had been going to a foot clinic run by Age-UK but that was ceased when lockdown started.

This week they are reopening with protective measures. All the staff will be wearing full PPE. I will have to wear a mask, be temperature checked on entry, wash my hands, and wash my hands again before leaving.

I am slightly annoyed. In the past. I got funding for a free toenail cutting service in my own town. That is still free and is also restarting but they cannot afford professional staff so cannot cut the toenails of anyone with diabetes - i.e. me.

I have to go to the local city and PAY...