Did “working-class whites” switch from Obama to Trump BECAUSE the economy was better?

[BotanyBoy]

What you see on the ground is anecdotal

Not when it's the same story all over.

"The ACA has helped small businesses and their employees in a number of ways. These include coverage expansions, small employer tax credits, and the creation of the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP). We judge success on the impact of these policies."


That's like judging ACA success based on if it expanded coverage for a few million.

And ignoring the couple hundred million people who got totally fucked.

IGNORE THE BIG PICTURE!!!....there was a tiny perk here and there, so what if it's running folks into the poor house??? Amirite? LOL

a Ph.D. Assistant Secretary who has studied the matter statistically knows a lot more about it than you do.

Probably, but he's still an ACA cheerleader and almost guaranteed to be an outright blatant socialist like yourself.

And he's still ignoring the negative realities of the ACA just like you.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Two trillion added to market wealth since the election...as I posted the other day. So yes, I do know that.

The market went from 7K to 20K under Obama. Byt your measure Obama was Midas.

 

[KingOrfeo]

And ignoring the couple hundred million people who got totally fucked.

Who and how? I know individual premiums have risen, but I haven't heard that businesses have found that especially burdensome.

 

[Conager]

Not without the 2009 stimulus package, it wouldn't.



Not in any sense. Nobody is going to be any more reluctant to expand a business or start a new one because of the ACA.

You can continue to repeat Obama administration talking points til you're blue in the face it doesn't make them true.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, they switched knowing that Trump would make the economy better.

They don't know that and neither do you.

KingO is not betting with his money, he bets with house money...

 

[KingOrfeo]

You can continue to repeat Obama administration talking points til you're blue in the face it doesn't make them true.

You can continue to deny them until your typing-fingers bleed; unless you bring credible cites, that does not make them false.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Where's Trump's infrastructure plan? Construction season is starting now. He needs to get those jobs created.

Do you not forget Obama laughing about the fact tht those jobs were not shovel ready?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Who and how?

Small bidnizz....money.

I know individual premiums have risen,

Off the fuckin' charts, for most.

but I haven't heard that businesses have found that especially burdensome.

LOL......that's because you only care about Super Corp with big bucks.

For small bidnizzes that extra money is proportionally CRUSHING.

ACA = another blow to Main St. USA.

Good (D).

 

[KingOrfeo]

For small bidnizzes that extra money is proportionally CRUSHING.

Not according to Dr. Frank, who not only knows a lot more about this than you do, but almost certainly is far more credible and trustworthy and unbiased by politics than you -- he might be an insider, but you are a crank.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not according to Dr. Frank, who not only knows a lot more about this than you do, but almost certainly is far more credible and trustworthy and unbiased by politics than you -- he might be an insider, but you are a crank.

Yea he's totally unbiased just like the Monsanto execs running the FDA and EPA you think have YOUR safety and best interest in mind.


LOL......I'm not a crank, I'm just not part of the couple dozen blue counties in the country.

I live outside your fantasy bubble where the working class is better off being taxed into oblivion.

 

[KingOrfeo]

LOL......I'm not a crank, I'm just not part of the couple dozen blue counties in the country.

Eh? Your pot-growing region of California is red?!

 

[magicalmoments]

Amanda Marcotte writes:

It's long been a maximum of political parties that broadly speaking represent working class or blue collar workers: "they'll walk to vote us in, and then drive in their cars to vote us out".

 

[BotanyBoy]

Eh? Your pot-growing region of California is red?!

Yep, 2016 anyhow...more purple overall really.

No smog checks, our Sheriff hands out concealed carry licences pretty freely, hell I don't even need a permit or county supervisor approval to wipe my own ass like I do in SF or Santa Cruz.

Yep....I can damn near do whatever the fuck I want out here.

We might be a bunch of pot farmers but we're still farmers.....that is to say we have no problem getting bent and then peeling some caps n' burning a hole in the ozone layer off road in our trucks n' various other big kid toys.

 

[Conager]

You can continue to deny them until your typing-fingers bleed; unless you bring credible cites, that does not make them false.

Tff.

...says the guy whi BEGAN this exchange with a gratuitoud assertion that absolutely no one was hesitant to start or expand a business because of the ACA, providing absolutely no citations.

Claims it is no financial hardship while providing no numbers, much less citations.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Tff.

...says the guy whi BEGAN this exchange with a gratuitoud assertion that absolutely no one was hesitant to start or expand a business because of the ACA, providing absolutely no citations.

Claims it is no financial hardship while providing no numbers, much less citations.

You don't get it, that's how this debate process starts. Then come the posts with cites and countercites.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The best part Ladies and Gentlemen...,





We're nowhere near the bottom of the rabbit hole yet.

 

[Christobal]

From the article

"The grim fact of the matter is that a certain proportion of white voters break for the Democrats when they feel desperate and need the Democrats to save them from Republican mismanagement. Once the Democrats get things stable, though, those voters go right back to voting their racist and sexist resentments."

Let's assume that is true. If you are Democratic strategist how do you
win back the the votes of these horrible people. Those will be some interesting campaign ads.

The deplorable racists elected a black man twice. No it could have nothing to do with Hillary the candidate. Wait didn't the racists pick a black man over Hillary the last time they had a choice? I suppose that was just sexism.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"The grim fact of the matter is that a certain proportion of white voters break for the Republicans when they feel desperate and need the Republicans to save them from Democrat mismanagement. Once the Republicans get things stable, though, those voters go right back to voting their racist and sexist resentments."



We're going to bankrupt your local electricity provider.

You didn't build that!

Deplorable!

Bibles

Guns

 

[Conager]

"The grim fact of the matter is that a certain proportion of white voters break for the Republicans when they feel desperate and need the Republicans to save them from Democrat mismanagement. Once the Republicans get things stable, though, those voters go right back to voting their racist and sexist resentments."



We're going to bankrupt your local electricity provider.

You didn't build that!

Deplorable!

Bibles

Guns

It truly is projection by the party of Robert Byrd and his KKK.

Worth a giggle to read that Dem apologists like to pretend they have "managed" anything well. Ever.

Throwing more money down the rathole dujour is not "fixing mismanagement."

Their only "management" skill is appropriating other peoples money and using it for currying favor.

 

[Parminderjeet]

The tranny and the prairee nigger ate their wheaties today...such feisty little talking points! "But...OBAMA!"

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It truly is projection by the party of Robert Byrd and his KKK.

Worth a giggle to read that Dem apologists like to pretend they have "managed" anything well. Ever.

Throwing more money down the rathole dujour is not "fixing mismanagement."

Their only "management" skill is appropriating other peoples money and using it for currying favor.

I've been trying to remember his name all morning, but one of those red-state Democrats confessed to the "racism" of his constituency...

 

[KingOrfeo]

The deplorable racists elected a black man twice.

Because they knew they needed him.

No it could have nothing to do with Hillary the candidate.

Who ran when times had gotten better, and they didn't think they needed her.

 

[Christobal]

Because they knew they needed him.



Who ran when times had gotten better, and they didn't think they needed her.

You failed to explain why the racists elected a black man twice.

 

[Rightguide]

From the article

"The grim fact of the matter is that a certain proportion of white voters break for the Democrats when they feel desperate and need the Democrats to save them from Republican mismanagement. Once the Democrats get things stable, though, those voters go right back to voting their racist and sexist resentments."

Let's assume that is true. If you are Democratic strategist how do you
win back the the votes of these horrible people. Those will be some interesting campaign ads.

The deplorable racists elected a black man twice. No it could have nothing to do with Hillary the candidate. Wait didn't the racists pick a black man over Hillary the last time they had a choice? I suppose that was just sexism.

The Democrat Party stated their opposition to white interests, leaders said openly their job was to tell white people to "shut up and sit down." Their strategy was to coalesce a number of minority groups for the purpose of disenfranchising the white majority. So, what could they expect in return? Support? hardly.

 

[KingOrfeo]

You failed to explain why the racists elected a black man twice.

Easy. He was a Democrat. They knew they needed one.