Did Nancy Pelosi Commit Treason...

[Busybody]

Vette, why the FUCK do you care about what Israel does? They are NOT a US state, so FUCK them! They should NOT be involved in US foreign policy as if they're part of Congress.

why will the Pope speak?

why did Mexico Pres speak and shit on the US?

 

[Busybody]

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

Nope the invitation and the speech was to expose another unprecedented Democrat surrender to tyranny, and an underhanded attempt to allow the Iranians to get the bomb, like Democrats did in North Korea.

The invitation and speech was meant to deliberately undermine UN Security council negotiations with Iran, so was the Senate open letter to Iran.


As far as the North Korean nuclear program:

North Korea had FROG-5 (tactical nuclear missiles with a 400kg warhead) and FROG-7A (tactical nuclear missiles with a 550kg warhead) missiles imported from Russia as early as 1967. Those missiles were provided to offset the movement of U.S. tactical nuclear artillery into South Korea in 1958.

Clinton had exactly jack-shit to do with it your revisionist history aside.

If you want to blame someone for the DPRK restarting it's own nuclear weapons program then talk to the person who designated them as part of the "Axis of Evil" which collapsed UN negotiations and reignited their nuclear weapons research (sound familiar? it should, it's exactly the same tactic the GOP is persuing with Iran and would likely have the very same outcome). He was also President during North Korea's first successful underground nuclear test. Want to make a wild guess who that was?

 

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[cowslinger64]

What delusions? Obama is on the verge of an unprecedented surrender to Iran..

Holy crap. Just when you don't think it can get worse.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

Holy crap. Just when you don't think it can get worse.

Chickenshit McFatass has had a monumental six and a half year butthurt.

 

[miles]

Yes asshole, but he was a Vice President after he was a Senator.

Jesus, he's a dumb fuck.

 

[phrodeau]

Jesus, he's a dumb fuck.

We all know how much respect you give to the office of Vice President.

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[miles]

He comes back with his newly invented protocol to cover his monumental fail.

Well you'll probably see less of him with pool season getting closer.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Jesus, he's a dumb fuck.

For a Jew, you sure do invoke our Savior's name quite often.

Won't keep your daughters from dying in a fire, though.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Bullshit! The letter and it's aftermath revealed Obama's intention to bypass Congress and go to the United Nations Security Council to do so. Kerry revealed in subsequent testimony that he was not negotiating a "legally binding" agreement as well.

Prove it! Th NKs had no Russian nuke warheads in their possession or control in the 50s or 60s.

It's been no secret to anyone (except low information types like yourself) that the UN Security Council & Germany was negotiating a non-binding agreement. This is preferable to a unilateral treaty with the U.S. for a number of reasons you're too dense to understand.
Negotiations have been ongoing since 2006.

Prove it?

There would be no point in Russia sending conventional versions of the FROG-5 and FROG-7A missiles to counter the U.S. tactical nuclear weapons in South Korea. North Korea already HAD conventional missile batteries stationed along it's southern border. they were no counter to the tactical nukes in the South, MORE conventional weaponry would not only have been redundant, but useless for the purposes of deterring a tactical nuclear strike from the U.S. forces in South Korea.

The Soviet Union moved intermediate and medium range nuclear ballistic missiles into Cuba in the early 60s but you don't think that they would have stationed tactical nukes on North Korea's southern border? Really? You're aware that they were cold war allies and share a border right? The USSR had a vested interest in keeping North Korea independent of it's southern neighbors.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Well you'll probably see less of him with pool season getting closer.

Still harping on that old lie miles?

Whatever makes you feel better about being supported by your wife I suppose. Cheated on her lately?

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

You failed to prove your contention. Not even the Russians would trust the NKs with nuclear warheads. What you said is bullshit, UD. The NKs never had operational control of any Russian nukes, that's simple preposterous.

Yes, I'm sure in your world the Soviets stationed nuclear capable missiles on the South Korean border with conventional warheads to counter the tactical nukes the U.S. had deployed in South Korea.

The Soviets were willing to station nuclear missiles 90 miles off of the Florida coast but you think they would balk at putting a few tactical nuclear missiles in North Korea to counter the already in place U.S. missiles?

I'm sure that makes perfect sense to you.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Why, does he put on a clapping seal show when shown a Democrat fish???

Nice of you to give old miles a reach around for once.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

Listen you uneducated dunce, The FROG-7 is capable of delivering HE, nuclear, or chemical warheads, it's unguided, spin stabilized, and short range. The Russians did not give them nuclear warheads, period. I defy you to prove otherwise, or apologize. Prior to the Russians giving them Frog 7s, the Soviet Union rebuffed NKs request for ballistic missiles of any kind. You can bet that mentality never contemplated that nukes would be an alternative to that denial. So give it a rest it never happened.

You can use google. Bravo! At least now you know what a FROG-7A is capable of, although you left out the part about using it to deliver multiple bomblets ala our old MLRS system.

It is worth noting that the US decision to bring nuclear warheads to South Korea was in blatant violation of Paragraph 13(d) of the Armistice Agreement which prohibited the warring factions from introducing new weapons into Korea.

Now explain why the Soviets would station nuclear capable missiles with conventional warheads to offset the threat of a tactical nuclear strike coming from US forces in South Korea when the North Koreans already HAD conventional artillery in place.

Simply put, they did not. The Soviets and North Koreans were close allies after WWII. The Soviets didn't want the US backed South Koreans moving into and taking over North Korea because they shared a border along the lower Tumen River.
After the US violated the Armistice Agreement there was no reason for the Soviets to abstain from backing it's ally and placing tactical nuclear FROG-5 and FROG-7A missiles in North Korea.

For some reason you assume that I said that the Soviets just handed over nuclear weaponry to the North Koreans, which has not been my contention. They provided North Korea with tactical nuclear weapons in much the same way they provided intermediate and medium range nuclear missiles to Cuba, manned by Soviet military. They provided the missiles, and had their own crews in control of the warheads. But they were there, you can bet your wrinkled ass on it.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

Deflecting bullshit, where is the "proof" that the NKs had nuclear warheads in the 50s and 60s?

Why not address the rest of the post rather than chopping an out a single sentence?

The proof is common sense. If you use your head for something other than a hat rack it's not a stretch.

There is no way in hell the Soviets would have gone to the expense of stationing FROG-5 & 7A missiles in North Korea to counter a tactical nuclear threat by arming them with conventional warheads. It makes zero strategic sense. The North Koreans already HAD conventional missile batteries stationed at the border and the U.S. had already violated the Armistice Agreement by moving their own tactical nukes into South Korea.

These facts coupled with the Soviet's willingness to station intermediate and medium range nukes 90 miles off the coast of Florida shortly afterward makes it not only conceivable, but a certainty. If you think the Soviet's didn't move their own tactical nukes into North Korea as a deterrent then you're a bigger fool than I could have ever believed.

 

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[phrodeau]

Yeah, yeah. So which President can we blame for Israel getting nuclear weapons?