Disturbing trend?

[amicus]

JamesSD "...This is a fantastically hilarious bit of nonsensical ranting,... "


hmmm...okay...so thas your take...if indeed athletics, from grade school to the Pro's is on a meritocracy basis, what then does that say about black athletes?

I mean, if they earned it, they deserve it, right? Guess white guys really can't dance or play ball.

amicus...

 

[fieryjen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Blue_(American_duo)


This is an interesting read, incidentally, the girls seem not to be American...verrrrry interrrrrressssting.....



amicus...

I'm pretty sure they are american. They just place a lot of emphasis especially on their german heritage.

 

[amicus]

tanyachrs]It seems that the article is largely a hoax, though there's enough truth behind it to bring out other racists and make the rest of us flinch.

[/I]

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You know, tanyachrs, I am going to take exception to your post. I went to some length to note that I was not a racist, I have and have had many friends among many races and ethnic and religious groups.

There is, it appears to me, to be an unstated concept that permeates the social liberals; that being that eventually, we will all evolve into a coffee mocha skin color and absorb all the admirable traits of each different group and morph into some idea human being.

Hogwash.

Racial and ethnic groups are different and will remain so, some have admirable traits, others have fewer.

So your blanket condemnation of a differing opinion merely exposes your true 'prejudice' against those who have differing viewpoints.

Keep it to your tiny little self.


amicus...

 

[amicus]

FieryJen....do a google....I think it said they were born in Europe and moved to America...


amicus...

 

[cloudy]

FieryJen....do a google....I think it said they were born in Europe and moved to America...


amicus...

Jen's right:

"Known as "Prussian Blue" — a nod to their German heritage and bright blue eyes — the girls from Bakersfield, Calif., have been performing songs about white nationalism before all-white crowds since they were nine."

 

[Pure]

??

there is some element of hoax (or publicity stunt) here, although the girls and one album do, apparently exist. they have never made a Billboard "top" list.

i glad ami is showing his true colors; for an alleged libertarian, he's always close to Falwell in his opinions; now i know how close he is to Hitler.

ami, slightly transposed: I do not like Jewish culture, not even a little bit. That is not a biased or prejudicial statement but a conclusion of objective experience. I simply do not appreciate the lifestyle of Jewish Americans.


Further, the social liberals in the entertainment world have forced Jew performers on the world, like it or not. They portray and depict jew men with white women, which they know infuriates most of the south. Jews are everywhere in comedy and sitcoms and jewish humor ....

For the past 20 years, we have been inundated by the social liberals forcing racial equality into our lives in every possible way. [...]

You should have seen it coming. Just how long did you think normal people would sit back an allow you to trample on their sensitivities?

Sounds a bit anti semitic. From which we conclude...

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comment on the girls alleged ratings in Billboard.

http://journals.aol.com/aimer/on-my-mind/entries/2006/10/24/no-fiction-needed/715
Tuesday, October 24, 2006
Subject: No Fiction Needed
Time: 1:51:00 PM EDT
Author: aimer
Mood: Sad
Music: The Best of Otis Redding

Last week I received the same e-mail from several people. The subject line proclaimed, "Racist White Girl Group on Billboard Charts." The article goes on to reveal that Lamb and Lynx Gaede, 13 year-old twins known in white supremacist musical circles as Prussian Blue, have released their third album, End of A Black World, to the acclaim of their fan base, selling 91,000 copies in the album's initial release. The unprecedented album sales earned the duo 4th place on BillBoard's music chart for the week of September 22, 2006.

THE FOLLOWING WARNING IS FOR MY PEOPLE: Before your blood pressure goes through the roof and you feel compelled to slap somebody, it is NOT, I repeat NOT true.

A search of BillBoard's official web site does not reveal any signs of the singing sisters. They did not make the BillBoard Charts. I also visited the official Prussian Blue web site and it appears that Lamb and Lynx have only released one complete album to date and are working on their second album.

ANOTHER WARNING: Do not visit the Prussian Blue web site unless you have taken your blood pressure medication for the day. My Aunt Dorothy, in response to learning that I planned to attend law school, warned that my head was in danger of exploding from too much book learning. Up until now, my head has survived just fine but I did feel a certain throbbing of the temples as I explored little Lamb and Lynx's web site.

I'm not clear as to why anyone felt the need to create controversy around Prussian Blue when the reality is enough to frighten not only small children but a middle aged black woman. Lamb and Lynx Gaede, under the tutelage of their mother, April and April's father, are self avowed White Nationalists. They define themselves as a White Pride Band.

Unfortunately, their race pride comes at the expense of demeaning all non-white folks. The White Nationalist movement hides behind the pretext that the White race is in danger of obliteration and all that they are trying to do is preserve their race. I might give them some leeway if their goals were innocent, like ensuring that NASCAR gets its props; however,it goes well beyond preserving so called white culture.

White Nationalism finds white pride in an obsession with race purity, which tends to mean isolating and/or eliminating all non-whites. By the way, non-white appears to include people of Asian, African, Hispanic, Jewish, and Native American ancestry. It appears that gay people, be they white or non-white are also included in the list of undesirables.

Lamb and Lynx espouse the basic holocaust denying, race defilement garbage that characterizes the White Nationalist movement. Lamb, a budding lyricist, includes tributes to Nazi Rudolf Hess and Neo-Nazi Robert Matthews in a little ditty included on their first album. I try and take some comfort in the fact that she is a really lousy songwriter.

Sacrifice
by Lamb Gaede

Rudolf Hess, man of peace
He wouldn't give up
and he wouldn't cease
Remember him and give a pause

Robert Mathews
knew the truth
He knew what
he had to do
He set an example with courage so bold
We'll never let that fire grow cold
----

Amicus Cold

Was oh, so bold!
He knew who was scum,
Yet managed to sound so dumb
That the cause of the right
Suffered a blight.

 

[Ness73]

I think these girls were denied entry into Australia late last year. They were going to perform at a festival, but were denied due to anti-vilification laws in Australia. I'm not sure whether they came to Australia but couldn't perform, but I'm guessing they were denied a visa, therefore could not enter the country. There was a bit of uproar at the time towards the promoter for even considering bringing these girls into the country.
Also I think Prussian Blue was the name of one of the gases used in the holocaust.

 

[amicus]

My apologies and thank you Cloudy, I thought I read they were born somewhere in Europe and moved to the US.

http://www.prussianblue.net/bio.htm

"...Lamb and Lynx Gaede are two 13 year old twin sisters who are also known as the band Prussian Blue.

Recently they received international media attention because Prussian Blue is a White Pride band. The songs they the girls sing reflect their White Nationalist beliefs. Today, if you are White ,and proud to be White , it is considered Politically Incorrect by the media. The music that Prussian Blue performs is intended for White people. They hope to help fellow Whites come to understand that love for one’s race is a beautiful gift that we should celebrate.

Lamb was born first and Lynx was born six minutes later. They have a very close relationship but they are not identical and people who know them can tell them apart easily. When they were little they had a special language that only they could understand. Neither one is the leader or the follower, both of them are strong- willed and have minds of their own. 

Lynx and Lamb grew up in the Central Valley of California on a ranch. They started riding ponies at an early age and competed in a few horseshows and even a local rodeo princess contest.

The girls enjoy hiking and playing with their dogs and other pets on the ranch. They also enjoy reading and of course music. The twins have been home schooled since they were in the first grade. They have also attended public school in Bakersfield, where they made a lot of friends and had a lot of fun. ( At first the girl’s were a little apprehensive at attending public school but by the end of the semester had made many many friends and won several school awards.) Lynx was chosen to be part of the 2005 Kern County Honor Choir. At the end of the year Lamb was presented with an award for Outstanding Student of the Year in her History class. Lynx and Lamb also were members of a local swim team and participated in community theater where they made many great friends and a lot of good memories that they will always cherish.

Lynx and Lamb live with thier mom and stepdad and baby sister Dresden.

Lynx and Lamb started singing in 2001 at a Eurofest, which is a festival that celebrates all the great things about our European culture and heritage. They sang a song called Ocean of Warriors and Dr William Pierce who was present at the event said that he thought they should record a children’s Cd.

In 2002 the twins started learning musical instruments .Lamb learned the guitar and Lynx learned the violin and by March of 2003 they were performing at public events.

The girls first CD, Fragment of the Future was recorded when they were 11 years old and was released in late 2004. The girls played all the musical instruments and did all the vocals on this CD. Several of the songs are originals the girls wrote themselves and a few are in German..."

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tempest in a teapot perhaps?


amicus...

 

[cumallday]

the jokes on them.

Genetics, the tool of scientific determinism and Social Darwinism, has long since proved that there really exists no difference among so called 'races'. Just pick up Richard Lewontin's 1982 book - 'Human Diversity'. A truly objective analysis (as opposed to the caricatures of objectivity that eugenics has given us) of the makeup of the earth's human population reveals a stark genetic HOMOGEGENEITY and not heterogeneity. Interestingly, the genetic variety among individuals of a particular race IS GREATER THAN the variation between races. As a matter of FACT, if after a great cataclysm, only Africans were left alive, the human gene pool would still maintain 93% of it's total genetic variation. In other words, the black guy across the street may very well have more genetically in common with you than your white neighbour.

 

[amicus]

cumallday]Genetics, the tool of scientific determinism and Social Darwinism, has long since proved that there really exists no difference among so called 'races'. Just pick up Richard Lewontin's 1982 book - 'Human Diversity'. A truly objective analysis (as opposed to the caricatures of objectivity that eugenics has given us) of the makeup of the earth's human population reveals a stark genetic HOMOGEGENEITY and not heterogeneity. Interestingly, the genetic variety among individuals of a particular race IS GREATER THAN the variation between races. As a matter of FACT, if after a great cataclysm, only Africans were left alive, the human gene pool would still maintain 93% of it's total genetic variation. In other words, the black guy across the street may very well have more genetically in common with you than your white neighbour.[/[/I]QUOTE]

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Y'know, I made a point of claiming not to be racist or prejudiced in any way, I may have to make an exception for Canadians as they seem genetically deficient in common sense.

Your shallow and cursory examination of human evolution, is just that. You fail to accomodate the genetic changes brought about by difference in climate, food, solar radiation, temperature and a thousand other factors that influenced the development of modern homosapiens.

Without knowing or doing a search, I suppose one could claim that if only Americans were left alive the human gene pool would maintain 100% of it's total genetic variation. In other words, love us or leave us for we hold it all in our gonads...


amicus... not the last ugly american...

 

[Explaura]

I am surprised that this would come down to this kind of discussion. People are both all the same and all different and of the distinctions you can make between them, skin color is one of the least useful I can think of. As for culture you can argue for some having more objective value than others, however I don't really think that is a good plan. I think we lose more than we gain by arbitrarily determining the criteria for what worthwhile and what isnt

 

[cumallday]

Whatever, dude!

amicus...
First off, you've mistaken me for someone who cares what crackpots think; yeah yeah yeah, you're a crackpot and you know it, come on man.
Secondly, 'I' haven't failed to accomodate anything. I simply paraphrased Lewontin, who understands the science of evolution far far greater than anyone posting here.
Third, if you're gonna counter an argument intelligently, don't use ad hominems; especially cracks over something as specious as nationality.
Fourth, when I write "the whole of earth's population" I do so in the present sense and therefore do account for such things as food, solar radiation, blah blah blah...(think it through before ranting again).
Fifth, of course Americans retain 100% - exceptionally heterogeneous - when I use the term Africans, I mean as a homogeneous 'race'. (Hint hint, not only is there no such thing as the American race, but there's no such thing as race.)

 

[cumallday]

Oh yes...

Anyone who didn't get the heading, "the jokes on them", I meant the two girls since their hatred is partly based on the idea that there is an empirical difference between races and therefore a heirarchie and so on and so forth. Culturally and historically however....

 

[amicus]

]amicus...
First off, you've mistaken me for someone who cares what crackpots think; yeah yeah yeah, you're a crackpot and you know it, come on man.
Secondly, 'I' haven't failed to accomodate anything. I simply paraphrased Lewontin, who understands the science of evolution far far greater than anyone posting here.
Third, if you're gonna counter an argument intelligently, don't use ad hominems; especially cracks over something as specious as nationality.
Fourth, when I write "the whole of earth's population" I do so in the present sense and therefore do account for such things as food, solar radiation, blah blah blah...(think it through before ranting again).
Fifth, of course Americans retain 100% - exceptionally heterogeneous - when I use the term Africans, I mean as a homogeneous 'race'. (Hint hint, not only is there no such thing as the American race, but there's no such thing as race.)[/[/I]QUOTE]

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Naw, you don't get off that easy.You sound like a college kid who just read his first book and learned a new word like ad hominem and you are showing off for all the ill educated perverts here.

And your timeworn colloquiallism, 'crackpot', illustrates just how cliche'd your thinking really is. Go back to your sophomore philosophy class and talk to someone who is paid to listen to your drivel. I am not.


amicus...

 

[TheEarl]

hmmm...okay...so thas your take...if indeed athletics, from grade school to the Pro's is on a meritocracy basis, what then does that say about black athletes?

I mean, if they earned it, they deserve it, right? Guess white guys really can't dance or play ball.

amicus...

Your shallow and cursory examination of human evolution, is just that. You fail to accomodate the genetic changes brought about by difference in climate, food, solar radiation, temperature and a thousand other factors that influenced the development of modern homosapiens.

You've just answered your own post. Differences in evolutionary conditions have left black people with a slight predisposition towards being better athletes.

Not going to address the rest of your points as I find them too outre to try and tackle, but I thought I'd point out that you're arguing both sides of the coin at times.

The Earl

 

[amicus]

[QUOTE=TheEarl]You've just answered your own post. Differences in evolutionary conditions have left black people with a slight predisposition towards being better athletes.

Not going to address the rest of your points as I find them too outre to try and tackle, but I thought I'd point out that you're arguing both sides of the coin at times.

The Earl[/QUOTE]


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Thank you Earl for unknowingly playing 'Top Banana' for me.

If indeed, "evolutionary conditions have left black people with a slight predisposition towards being better athletes..." are you also willing to acknowledge that, "evolutionary conditions have left black people with a 15% lesser intellectual predisposition?"

Thas what the Stanford-Binet and the SAT show, across the board...rather evens things out, doncha think

Or is that too much for most to acknowledge, fact notwithstanding?

always amicus...

 

[TheEarl]

~~~

Thank you Earl for unknowingly playing 'Top Banana' for me.

If indeed, "evolutionary conditions have left black people with a slight predisposition towards being better athletes..." are you also willing to acknowledge that, "evolutionary conditions have left black people with a 15% lesser intellectual predisposition?"

Thas what the Stanford-Binet and the SAT show, across the board...rather evens things out, doncha think

Or is that too much for most to acknowledge, fact notwithstanding?

always amicus...

I don't know the academic citation behind that fact. The muscle thing is proven by a higher level of testosterone being produced in puberty by black people. The academic thing could be argued as a case of demographics; I'd be interested to see the figures broken down by race and parental income.

However, if a valid scientific reason from a reliable source could be found for a black brain being different to a white brain, then I'd be willing to acknowledge that, yes.

The Earl

 

[TheEarl]

The view that black sportsmen and women have a natural superiority rests on the evidence of physiological research, largely into two groups of athletes: East African long-distance runners and West African sprinters. East Africa, and Kenya in particular, is the powerhouse of middle- and long-distance running. The top 60 times in the 3,000m steeplechase were all set by Kenyan athletes, who also hold more than half the top times at 5,000m and 10,000m. Most remarkably, the majority of top Kenyan runners come from one area in the country - the Kalenjin region, along the western rim of the Great Rift Valley, adjacent to Lake Victoria. Kalenjin athletes have won more than 70 per cent of Kenya's Olympic medals at running events and all but one of all Kenyan-held world records.

A number of lines of research suggest that the secret of such spectacular success lies in superior biology. All muscle contains two kinds of fibres - fast-twitch and slow-twitch. The former is good at producing explosive bursts of energy, the latter at sustaining muscle effort over long periods. Physiologists have shown that the muscles of Kenyan athletes have a higher proportion of slow-twitch fibres than those of white or West African athletes. Kenyans also enjoy a slighter body profile, have relatively long legs and large lung capacities, and possess more energy-producing enzymes in their muscles, which are thus better able to utilise oxygen.

Athletes of West African descent - and that includes most African American, Caribbean and black British athletes - have, on the other hand, a physique that is suited to explosive events, disciplines that require sprinting and jumping. Such athletes possess what biologists call a mesomorphic physique, with bigger, more visible muscles such as a larger chest. Their muscles contain a higher proportion of fast-twitch fibres than those of white people or East Africans. Athletes of West African descent also have less body fat, a higher centre of gravity, narrower hips and higher levels of testosterone in their blood.

The Earl

 

[amicus]

The Earl... "...The academic thing could be argued as a case of demographics; I'd be interested to see the figures broken down by race and parental income..."


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Earl, damnit, I don't make things up from thin air, do the research.

For a philosophical and sociological comprehension, consider the difference in living in a tropical climate where living is comparatively easy as opposed to a harsh northern climate where bare existence is a life and death struggle.

Nothing I ever say or propose on this forum or any other venue is without foundation, I suppose it is too much to expect that acknowledgment from most.

amicus...

 

[TheEarl]

Earl, damnit, I don't make things up from thin air, do the research.

For a philosophical and sociological comprehension, consider the difference in living in a tropical climate where living is comparatively easy as opposed to a harsh northern climate where bare existence is a life and death struggle.

Nothing I ever say or propose on this forum or any other venue is without foundation, I suppose it is too much to expect that acknowledgment from most.

amicus...

I have coursework to do. You want to make a point that contentious, then find me a citation. I found you one for my point. At the moment, all I have is your opinion on the information's validity which, given your prior rejection of all economic theory as wrong because it didn't fit your view of the world, doesn't convince me completely.

I'd like to point you to the different types of predators that our ancestors faced. Against cheetahs and lions, the ability to run very fast, or at least faster than the person next to you, becomes an important survival trait. Also, the predation by other humans is a factor; most black people in North America are there because their ancestors were picked out as strong and capable of heavy work.

The Earl

 

[rgraham666]

Earl, I don't believe the slave takers were that fussy about who they grabbed.

However the slaves that survived were certainly strong considering the conditions they were shipped here to North America in, and the conditions they had to work in.

I understand the average working life of a sugar plantation slave in Jamaica was about two years. Only strong people, mentally and physically, could survive something like that.

 

[amicus]

Earl...I have eight grown children, twenty one grandchildren and two great grandchildren and high blood pressure to deal with, your course schedule is of no interest to me, deal with it, or withdraw from intellectual confrontation.

My point is only 'contentious' to the uninformed, illiterate, or those who are snug as a bug in a rug in their belief's as most social liberals are...ah, but you are not of that ilk...as you continually remind me.

You will perhaps note that in most of my posts, I not only offer fact, but a little humor, some literary alliteration, I even rhyme, purposely now and then, just to tickle a fancy, here and there, some sarcasm, some irony and a bunch of other author's things done only to amuse and tittilate, most of which is lost in translation(movie).

Thus rather than acknowedging that 90% of African Americans are in college only because of racial quota's, (affirmative action), you prefer to believe...uh, what?

amicus

 

[amicus]

"... Earl, I don't believe the slave takers were that fussy about who they grabbed...."

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That statement illustrates how little you know about how Native Africans were abducted, kidnapped and transported to Dutch, German, English and French Merchantmen during that period.

They were very fussy indeed.

I suggest an enjoyable reading of the works of Wilbur Smith and then a perusal of actual history to perhaps educate your sorry lack of comprehension.

amicus...

 

[TheEarl]

Earl...I have eight grown children, twenty one grandchildren and two great grandchildren and high blood pressure to deal with, your course schedule is of no interest to me, deal with it, or withdraw from intellectual confrontation.

I am pointing out that I am not taking your statement as undeniable fact unless you give me a source. I'm busy, I gave you a source for mine and I think if you want anyone to take it seriously, it's only polite that you reference your sources.

Thus rather than acknowedging that 90% of African Americans are in college only because of racial quota's, (affirmative action), you prefer to believe...uh, what?

amicus

Who said I wasn't acknowledging that affirmative action wasn't a blight on society? I was just saying that the causes behind black people generally getting lower test results might not be genetic.

As I said - if you've got something up your sleeve that proves that it is genetic and not societal, publish and be damned.

The Earl

 

[cloudy]

As I said - if you've got something up your sleeve that proves that it is genetic and not societal, publish and be damned.

The Earl

He doesn't. You see, amicus still believes in eugenics.....sort of like my youngest believes in the Tooth Fairy.