Do people honestly believe that the US is "racially unfair"?

[BotanyBoy]

No state has free IDs,

I didn't say there were, I said it was an easy fix to just not charge for them anymore.

and in most those require voter IDs, student IDs aren't valid.

So? Student ID's aren't valid for much more than registering classes and theater/museum/zoo discounts what's your point?

 

[RjThoughts]

I didn't say there were, I said it was an easy fix to just not charge for them anymore.



So? Student ID's aren't valid for much more than registering classes and theater/museum/zoo discounts what's your point?

Sorry, misread.

In the past, they were used as a valid form, but has only changed lately.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sorry, misread.

In the past, they were used as a valid form, but has only changed lately.

Saul Goodman.


Not in my life, granted I'm only 32 but still....student ID's have never been worth much.

 

[RjThoughts]

Saul Goodman.


Not in my life, granted I'm only 32 but still....student ID's have never been worth much.

Local college students were allowed to vote in Presidential elections, but first had to receive notices from their hometown precincts three months at the least before. Then they showed their IDs Election day.

This was in the '80s.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Local college students were allowed to vote in Presidential elections, but first had to receive notices from their hometown precincts three months at the least before. Then they showed their IDs Election day.

This was in the '80s.

Right on...well I was a kid, sorry.

Still....I don't understand the libRage over it. Today student ID's are worthless as fuck, have been for like 15 years.

And even if it were that big of a fuss you could include them too.

Still doesn't make voter ID racist.

 

[RjThoughts]

Right on...well I was a kid, sorry.

Still....I don't understand the libRage over it. Today student ID's are worthless as fuck, have been for like 15 years.

And even if it were that big of a fuss you could include them too.

Still doesn't make voter ID racist.

My rage is just personal, nothing to do with Liberal politics.

 

[forestmonk]

why are so many people such fuckwits........grow the fuck up and get out of your own selfinterested world view. it is a tougher road for minorities including women. don;t give me a whine about affirmative action. those whining about how they were aced out by someone else by affirmative action are the same people who whine about they coulda fucked barbie or been fucked by ken except for....waaa waaa. if some triggerhappy cops (and there are some) were shooting white people as often as blacks, you'd have your groceries delivered. it isn't just about laws and regulations, it is about social custom and attitudes. if you look back in this very thread, the term 'nigger' was used.that is an offensive term and has a long history of being pointed to as an offensive term yet here, in a thread saying essentially that there is no race problem from the whites, that term is blatantly and offensively used and ostentatiously so....any other questions?

 

[The_Trouvere]

why are so many people such fuckwits........grow the fuck up and get out of your own selfinterested world view. it is a tougher road for minorities including women. don;t give me a whine about affirmative action. those whining about how they were aced out by someone else by affirmative action are the same people who whine about they coulda fucked barbie or been fucked by ken except for....waaa waaa. if some triggerhappy cops (and there are some) were shooting white people as often as blacks, you'd have your groceries delivered. it isn't just about laws and regulations, it is about social custom and attitudes. if you look back in this very thread, the term 'nigger' was used.that is an offensive term and has a long history of being pointed to as an offensive term yet here, in a thread saying essentially that there is no race problem from the whites, that term is blatantly and offensively used and ostentatiously so....any other questions?

Women tend to be less strong than men. Consequently, few of them should be hired for jobs requiring strength.

Negroes tend to be less intelligent than whites and Orientals. Consequently, few of them should be hired for jobs requiring intelligence.

 

[Boxlicker101]

why are so many people such fuckwits........grow the fuck up and get out of your own selfinterested world view. it is a tougher road for minorities including women. don;t give me a whine about affirmative action. those whining about how they were aced out by someone else by affirmative action are the same people who whine about they coulda fucked barbie or been fucked by ken except for....waaa waaa. if some triggerhappy cops (and there are some) were shooting white people as often as blacks, you'd have your groceries delivered. it isn't just about laws and regulations, it is about social custom and attitudes. if you look back in this very thread, the term 'nigger' was used.that is an offensive term and has a long history of being pointed to as an offensive term yet here, in a thread saying essentially that there is no race problem from the whites, that term is blatantly and offensively used and ostentatiously so....any other questions?

As a matter of fact, more white people than black are killed by police. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/in...f-reckoning-police-fatally-shoot-nearly-1000/

Occasionally, a white person will use the term "nigger." How often do black people use terms such as honky or peckerwood or cracker or similar slurs?


BTW: Women are not a minority. They are actuality a majority.

 

[Sean Renaud]

As a matter of fact, more white people than black are killed by police. http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/in...f-reckoning-police-fatally-shoot-nearly-1000/

Occasionally, a white person will use the term "nigger." How often do black people use terms such as honky or peckerwood or cracker or similar slurs?


BTW: Women are not a minority. They are actuality a majority.

In raw numbers yes but blacks are still more likely to be killed by police.

I would assume blacks use those terms less frequently because they simply aren't effective slurs for the most part. If you're going to use a racial slur the next thing on the menu is various hispanic slurs. Then on to Jews. I mean seriously Jew is still thrown around a slur in and of itself. Now I'm sure it happens.

Additionally assuming you trust the FBI if you're going to be attacked because of your race it's because you're black. If we insist on going down this road.

 

[Boxlicker101]

In raw numbers yes but blacks are still more likely to be killed by police.

I would assume blacks use those terms less frequently because they simply aren't effective slurs for the most part. If you're going to use a racial slur the next thing on the menu is various hispanic slurs. Then on to Jews. I mean seriously Jew is still thrown around a slur in and of itself. Now I'm sure it happens.

Additionally assuming you trust the FBI if you're going to be attacked because of your race it's because you're black. If we insist on going down this road.

Blacks are more likely than whites to be killed by police because they are more likely to be caught breaking the law.

I believe slurs are used against gay people more than any other group. I know that is not racial, but neither is "Jew" which is a reference to religion.

RE: racially motivated physical attacks, I do not trust the FBI in their reporting. I believe there are many attacks on whites by blacks that are classified as road rage, or something else, even though they would not have happened if not for the racial differences. The FBI is being PC. Of course, most attacks are never reported.

Did you ever hear of "Polar Bear Hunting?" Why do you think it's called that?

 

[Sean Renaud]

They are more likely than whites to get killed by cops for being blacks. You can deny it all you like but the stats don't lie. Driving while black can still get you pulled over.

I would concur that gay is used most often, I'm not sure it's REALLY used against the group. Jew is kinda of psuedo race. Still I hear that thrown around as a generic slur for cheap all the time. Gay tends to be used as generic negative. But if I'm calling you a bitch I'm not slurring women or at least that is not my intent. I guess if your a female and your butthurt it is my fault and I don't care. Same as Indian Giver. But overall point is no I don't think white slurs are in as heavy a use and I would argue that at least part of the reason is none of them as widely known and none of them have been effectively trained into people. In the same way that THE black slur is nigger. Granted I'd have to run a poll (or series of polls so people didn't catch on to the trend) but busybody doesn't go around calling people jigaboos, spearchuckers, porchmonkeys, smoked Irishmen or spades. Other than Spade none of those are words the AVERAGE American is even aware of.

If you don't trust the FBI in there reporting there is nothing to be done for it. I do trust the data to be more or less accurate. Given the overwhelming amount of black on black crime I think you have to do some real mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that many (though I guess it depends on your definition of many) wouldn't have happened if the person wasn't white.

Yes I've heard the term polar bear hunting. And I'm sure it happens but it's statistically irrelevant.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Granted I'd have to run a poll (or series of polls so people didn't catch on to the trend) but busybody doesn't go around calling people jigaboos, spearchuckers, porchmonkeys, smoked Irishmen or spades. Other than Spade none of those are words the AVERAGE American is even aware of.

Unless you've spent more than 2 months living in this general area....
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Us_south_census.png

Because ALL THE TIME EVERYWHERE.


Just to be fair though I hear nigga, negroid, nigggs and the 32 other flavors of the term come out of black peoples mouths at a ratio of about 500,000 for every one 'nigger' I hear from a white guy.

I don't understand it....but that's what I see.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It became a cultural thing that I understand in a sort of academic way but socially you can tell I'm with the parts of the family I don't much care for when I start calling people nigga. And it's the same part of the family that wants me to lead prayer and knows that I'm unlikely to start a brawl over Thanksgiving. (Though I did once tell one of my aunts/uncles I forget that one of them needed to go fetch one or both of my parents because I'm not in the wrong here but more importantly my parents are the only people who can take that tone with me. So someone needs to adjust the situation NOW.

And I've spent time in plenty of those states and MOSTLY heard variations on nig from both sides. Not so much whites tbh but I didn't spend but so much time around them. Sometimes you can hear them thiinking it real hard though.

 

[RUlookingup]

It became a cultural thing that I understand in a sort of academic way but socially you can tell I'm with the parts of the family I don't much care for when I start calling people nigga. And it's the same part of the family that wants me to lead prayer and knows that I'm unlikely to start a brawl over Thanksgiving. (Though I did once tell one of my aunts/uncles I forget that one of them needed to go fetch one or both of my parents because I'm not in the wrong here but more importantly my parents are the only people who can take that tone with me. So someone needs to adjust the situation NOW.

And I've spent time in plenty of those states and MOSTLY heard variations on nig from both sides. Not so much whites tbh but I didn't spend but so much time around them. Sometimes you can hear them thiinking it real hard though.

Affirmative action which began with JFK and LBJ is a detriment to all involved. It lessens the achievements of all who might have been helped by it. Including our current President. It calls into question all achievements just as a legacy at Harvard or Yale might also be questioned. When you achieve based on actually earning something it can't be questioned. This is why I am against all affirmative action.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It is not a detriment to all involved nor does it truly lessen the achievements of all who were helped by it, not might have been but actually were. What part of Dr. Ben Carson by his own admission would not have been in Harvard without AA lessons the fact that he was the first man to separate twins conjoined at the skull? You can attempt to argue that Obama got his position unearned your argument has to essentially boil down to the concept that black rates higher on the PC parade than women but you could attempt to make that argument if you so chose.

Bush gets into school as a legacy and money not on grades, becomes president essentially because he's a legacy. If his presidency is tarnished however it won't be because he never earned anything in his life if for no other reason than past a certain point you still had to be a damn find (insert whatever) to accomplish what you did no matter how stacked the deck was.

 

[RjThoughts]

It is not a detriment to all involved nor does it truly lessen the achievements of all who were helped by it, not might have been but actually were. What part of Dr. Ben Carson by his own admission would not have been in Harvard without AA lessons the fact that he was the first man to separate twins conjoined at the skull? You can attempt to argue that Obama got his position unearned your argument has to essentially boil down to the concept that black rates higher on the PC parade than women but you could attempt to make that argument if you so chose.

Bush gets into school as a legacy and money not on grades, becomes president essentially because he's a legacy. If his presidency is tarnished however it won't be because he never earned anything in his life if for no other reason than past a certain point you still had to be a damn find (insert whatever) to accomplish what you did no matter how stacked the deck was.

Whites have AA, it's called legacy. GW got into Yale because his father and grandfather BOTH were Yale graduates.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Now if you want to make the argument that the time for AA is passed then you can make that argument. I'm not even certain I disagree with it but that is the case that must be made.

 

[RUlookingup]

Whites have AA, it's called legacy. GW got into Yale because his father and grandfather BOTH were Yale graduates.

But not all whites have legacy. All blacks even those who are quite well off can and gave benefitted from Affirmative action. It is a principle which was wrong when it began and is still wrong today. Just as providing legacy opportunities are wrong.

 

[Sean Renaud]

But not all whites have legacy. All blacks even those who are quite well off can and gave benefitted from Affirmative action. It is a principle which was wrong when it began and is still wrong today. Just as providing legacy opportunities are wrong.

No, not all whites have legacy. But a few centuries of oppression have ensured that MORE whites have it than any other race.

I don't know for certain that all blacks have benefitted from AA but as a principle at the time it was basically giving a boost to people who needed it. Why was it wrong?

 

[RjThoughts]

But not all whites have legacy. All blacks even those who are quite well off can and gave benefitted from Affirmative action. It is a principle which was wrong when it began and is still wrong today. Just as providing legacy opportunities are wrong.

So you're saying AA should have never been instituted, even in the 60s when only black athletes were being admitted to state schools, though begrudgingly?

 

[RUlookingup]

So you're saying AA should have never been instituted, even in the 60s when only black athletes were being admitted to state schools, though begrudgingly?

That is correct, it was wrong then and is wrong now. Who gets to decide who deserves it? It is flawed. It was when it was so when initially implemented and still is.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That is correct, it was wrong then and is wrong now. Who gets to decide who deserves it? It is flawed. It was when it was so when initially implemented and still is.

We the people did. So how would you propose blacks come up in the world?

 

[RUlookingup]

We the people did. So how would you propose blacks come up in the world?

How would you propose left behind whites come up in the world? It is not blacks alone with economic issues? I don't believe in separating an issue solely by race EVER. I don't believe in Black.Lives Matter and OPPRESSION politics Sean. You don't want to die at the hands.of police then stop committing crimes. It is really very simple. Economic opportunities are important for everyone Sean. When we ship all the jobs to China so our rich can stay rich I have a problem with this. Trump will take care of this and he will make.America great again. The jig is up Sean.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It became a cultural thing that I understand in a sort of academic way but socially you can tell I'm with the parts of the family I don't much care for when I start calling people nigga. And it's the same part of the family that wants me to lead prayer and knows that I'm unlikely to start a brawl over Thanksgiving. (Though I did once tell one of my aunts/uncles I forget that one of them needed to go fetch one or both of my parents because I'm not in the wrong here but more importantly my parents are the only people who can take that tone with me. So someone needs to adjust the situation NOW.

Right on.

And I've spent time in plenty of those states and MOSTLY heard variations on nig from both sides. Not so much whites tbh but I didn't spend but so much time around them. Sometimes you can hear them thiinking it real hard though.

Oh I've heard it from white folks for sure. Some of them are pretty bad about it like proud to still be living in 1962 before the apocalypse started JBJ types are all over.

Like David Allen Coe, sure he might be racist as fuck, but he doesn't say niggxxxx anywhere near as many times as Lil Wayne....not even close.