Netzach
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Mahayana, Theravada, maybe.
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Mahayana, Theravada, maybe.
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Wife and I have already discussed that if this type of service is around when one or the other of us dies, we'll be getting it done.
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Do some here that believe in a personal afterlife located "someplace" feel you will be reunited with loved ones already dead? Will you be together again for all eternity?
I know this is a loaded question. And I know I am not a safe person for you to answer given my stated feelings on the non-afterlife. I have a huge bias about this idea being a crock so I don't blame folks for not answering.
The logistics for this idea are beyond me. I have had a wife die. I have remarried. We have divorced. I very well might remarry again. I have had many other family members die. Who will I hang with when we are all dead. Will my first wife, dead over 30 years, hang with my new wife? What about my ex-wife who has not remarried? What about my kids when they die? WTF?
I know this is a loaded question. And I know I am not a safe person for you to answer given my stated feelings on the non-afterlife. I have a huge bias about this idea being a crock so I don't blame folks for not answering.
The logistics for this idea are beyond me. I have had a wife die. I have remarried. We have divorced. I very well might remarry again. I have had many other family members die. Who will I hang with when we are all dead. Will my first wife, dead over 30 years, hang with my new wife? What about my ex-wife who has not remarried? What about my kids when they die? WTF?
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This one's hard for me as I've had moments of lightning-struck brain on fire "I KNOW YOU" moments with other people. And they responded the same way - in short, it wasn't just me.
I mean, not even like meeting at a party, but "Guy handing me ice cream cone at Baskin Robbins" and my husband, me and this guy all are staring at each other like "I KNOW YOU." And we had enough experience with weirdness like that to all say so immediately.
But again the logistics just don't make any sense to me, and I'm leaning much toward genetic or cellular memory and possibly access to some sort of Akashic record thingy.
I'm absolutely positively sure I didn't "pick" who I am and what's happening. I'm not that stupid.
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I think that, when I get there, that everyone will be there. And if they're not, I don't want to know. But a large amount of people feel that their aren't marriages in heaven and that we're all kinda just 'one'.
That doesn't make sense to me. Never did. God made men and women. We're constantly told that sex is something He invented, and there's nothing wrong with it. Then they say that it doesn't happen in Heaven?
I think that whoever decided that FEELS that sex is somehow dirty or shameful.
But then, I'm not a bible scholar. I think that when I get there I'll know my kids and my grandparents and they'll be happy to see me. I think that your perspective is different in heaven, so if you have two wives they are ok with that. After all, if I die I sincerely hope that K finds someone else and if he dies he knows I will eventually try to find someone else.
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Netzach
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I think we already are. There are certain people you're stuck with - maybe as enemies maybe as loved ones, hashing it out for all time.
Or it's just curtains and vulture poo. I'm not sure.
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I do that ALL THE TIME! It's so freaken weird. But you get used to it.
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*ponders*
Now that I think about it, I might get one made into a microdermal. No losing it.
Netzach
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That's freaking amazing.
I want to be drilled through so I'm a bead.
Or if I have to be a tacky ring, I hope I get put in a pawn shop. I can't imagine that I'll have heirs or anyone I particularly want to have it if M et al are gone.
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No, I do not believe in an afterlife. I believe we rot in the ground and get eaten by worms. That said, I cling to the Rainbow Bridge story every time my pets die. So the emotional part of me likes the idea, but the rational/logical/scientific part of me says no.
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Come to think of it, if they can do it from a lock of hair, we could get this kind of thing done NOW.
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Yeah, it happens enough that I used to think it HAD to be reincarnation.
But I'm really starting to think that memory isn't really just inside human heads and probably is some aspect of matter itself.
I think of it more this way...if life is equated to an ocean...now the ocean's been there and held all these life forms and stories and each bit of matter in that ocean and every water molecule carries some part of the memory of the ocean.
One human life might be a wave in that ocean. Depending on a person's access to the memory of what's in that wave, you can theoretically extrapolate the history of the ocean. You can be in Bermuda but "remember" what lapping upon Iceland's shore was like because likely some of your molecules were doing that back in history.
It's not linear and it's jumbled but it's SO CLEAR. There's no use denying it, but it's not necessarily there to teach or test or anything supernatural.
That's my working theory so far, and it's continued to answer my questions and make sense of all the random weirdness that pops in and out of my head and consciousness. It explains all the chaotic weirdness that might end up being interpreted as "fate" or "karma" but is just memory, and not a memory that's even attached in a linear choice, but attached through the forms we take.
I think I'm just an accidental reader of the memory of things. I didn't develop the skill and I was just born with it. Also one of my first memories is looking at my own fist held over my little tiny head in my crib and thinking the equivalent of "Fuck. Not again." I was born tired.
There's nothing wrong with just being the wave, not being introspective of every molecule, and just being "WHEEEE!"
I'm learning how to do that, but that's a skill I have to learn and wasn't born with.
I have lots of memories of living. I have absolutely no memory of between-lives or choosing. And that's significant.
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Netzach
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If I do have to go somewhere and my animals are NOT there I am going to be so powerfully pissed.
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On the subject of funeral arrangements and body disposal, to me this is as relevant as asking "where do you want your money to go?"
Which is to say, if I'm dead then I've got no reason to give a fuck. I won't know, and I won't care. However, while I am alive I do have an anticipatory sense of responsibility and concern, on behalf of whomever will still be alive & bereaved whenever I go.
Assuming it were legal, the hacking up and feeding to the vultures thing sounds cool in theory, but in practice there are individuals close to me for whom this would be jarring to say the least.
My will has always stated that I am to be cremated and remains given to ______ (name changes, depending on family circumstances), to do with as they wish. If they find comfort in putting me in a columbarium to visit, or tossing me out to sea or around a garden or whatever, then that's what I want done.
Which is to say, if I'm dead then I've got no reason to give a fuck. I won't know, and I won't care. However, while I am alive I do have an anticipatory sense of responsibility and concern, on behalf of whomever will still be alive & bereaved whenever I go.
Assuming it were legal, the hacking up and feeding to the vultures thing sounds cool in theory, but in practice there are individuals close to me for whom this would be jarring to say the least.
My will has always stated that I am to be cremated and remains given to ______ (name changes, depending on family circumstances), to do with as they wish. If they find comfort in putting me in a columbarium to visit, or tossing me out to sea or around a garden or whatever, then that's what I want done.
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Gotta love those marketing skills.
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Perhaps God just hasn't been born yet, at least in this sector of the Galaxy....
http://eg.orionsarm.com/xcms.php?r=oaeg-view-topic&egtop_uid=4930657c5516d
Perhaps God just hasn't been born yet, at least in this sector of the Galaxy....
http://eg.orionsarm.com/xcms.php?r=oaeg-view-topic&egtop_uid=4930657c5516d
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Michael Caine, Bob Hoskins, and Helen Mirren did a lovely film together a few years ago called Last Orders. In the end, someone's ashes ended up flying back into the faces of those left behind and they had the heart to chuckle that X had had the last laugh.
Interesting little tidbit: I saw that film in its first week of distribution in a theater in Hollywood. The screening room sat at least 400, I'm sure, but I was the only one in the place. So I can say that I've had a private screening in Hollywood.
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Michael Caine, Bob Hoskins, and Helen Mirren did a lovely film together a few years ago called Last Orders. In the end, someone's ashes ended up flying back into the faces of those left behind and they had the heart to chuckle that X had had the last laugh.
Interesting little tidbit: I saw that film in its first week of distribution in a theater in Hollywood. The screening room sat at least 400, I'm sure, but I was the only one in the place. So I can say that I've had a private screening in Hollywood.
Is Michael Caine god? He is, at the very least, immortal. How old is he?
A private screening in Hollywood? Impressive. And surprising. Where was everyone? Usually Hollywood types are all over that sort of thing.
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Michael Caine was born 76 years ago tomorrow: March 14, 1933.
I caught Last Orders in the middle of a weekday afternoon, which was clearly not the most popular time to see a movie.
FWIW, some have said that I resemble Caine far more than Tracy but I like my av of Tracy for other reasons.
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Shankara20
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All the interesting conversations happen when I'm away from my computer
away from your computer so you could go to the post office and mail that package to Shank.....
