Don't you hard-right Liti-Cons realize you are undermining the Republican Party?

[The_Trouvere]

I am a republican who believes that listening to moderates and RINOs got us John McCain and we know how that turned out. I also agree with others who have noted that Obama's policies regarding the markets will be the greatest boon to the republican party in years and if I am wrong (which I deny), improved market conditions will benefit me just like the next guy.

If you think more reactionary Republicans than John McCain and Sarah Palin would have won the last election you are dreaming.

 

[JohnnySavage]

If you think more reactionary Republicans than John McCain and Sarah Palin would have won the last election you are dreaming.

But we sure could use Mitt right now.

 

[JMohegan]

This premise of this thread is ludicrous. Taking advice from a liberal Democrat on how to improve the Republican Party is like the Pittsburgh Steelers taking advice from the Arizona Cardinals coach at halftime of the Super Bowl. No way for me to know what your true motivations are, but I have my opinion. And regarding conservatism, how did Proposition 8 pass in California? How has the issue of gay marriage done at the voting booth? The issue is not a big deal for me but the fact that it passed in California is evidence that even social conservatism remains viable despite your admonitions to the contrary.

I am a republican who believes that listening to moderates and RINOs got us John McCain and we know how that turned out. I also agree with others who have noted that Obama's policies regarding the markets will be the greatest boon to the republican party in years and if I am wrong (which I deny), improved market conditions will benefit me just like the next guy.

I am neither a social conservative nor a Republican. Obviously, you are free to disregard everything I say.

I agree with you that social conservatism is far from dead in America. Anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-science "traditional values" still hold considerable sway in many parts of the country.

But since you brought up California, consider the fact that Obama won 61% of the vote in CA and 53% of the vote in the country overall. The gap between the Obama results, and the Prop 8 results, highlights the problem that you, as Republicans, face.

People with jobs, retirement savings, good health care, and quality education and college access for their kids, can afford to vote for President on culture war issues, according to their personal world views.

However, for unemployed, uninsured, broke or nearly broke people, economic issues trump everything else. For this reason, I agree with the gist of Frum's message, as quoted above in the opening post.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I am a republican who believes that listening to moderates and RINOs got us John McCain and we know how that turned out.

So? You cannot possibly believe Paul or Huckabee would have polled any better in the general election.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I am a republican who believes that listening to moderates and RINOs got us John McCain and we know how that turned out.

So? You cannot possibly believe Paul or Huckabee or any other Pub who ran last year would have polled any better in the general election. McCain was the best shot the Pubs had at the time. It would have been a closer election, too, if he had not put an embarrassing idiot like Palin on the ticket.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

If you think more reactionary Republicans than John McCain and Sarah Palin would have won the last election you are dreaming.

I thought Sarah was one of the "reactionary evangelical flat-earth neo-cons" picked just to win the votes of "those" people...





When you do nothing but lie and spin webs, eventually you trip up...

 

[unregistered]

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

So? You cannot possibly believe Paul or Huckabee would have polled any better in the general election.

Why did you leave out the actual business man?




Hmmm...???

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I voted FOR Mitt and then I had to vote for Bob Barr...





I would have voted for Mitt twice if given the opportunity.

 

[KingOrfeo]

But we sure could use Mitt right now.

Well, that presents a different problem . . .

 

[JohnnySavage]

I voted FOR Mitt and then I had to vote for Bob Barr...





I would have voted for Mitt twice if given the opportunity.

I'm Independent and not allowed to vote in the primary, or I woulda.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Why did you leave out the actual business man?




Hmmm...???

If you mean Romney, I left him out because he is no more conservative than McCain.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I'm Independent and not allowed to vote in the primary, or I woulda.

I'm a Libertarian in Missourah, so I have the opportunity to make a difference in the primary of my choice.





KO - Stop posting ad Hominems.

 

[WriterDom]

So? You cannot possibly believe Paul or Huckabee or any other Pub who ran last year would have polled any better in the general election. McCain was the best shot the Pubs had at the time. It would have been a closer election, too, if he had not put an embarrassing idiot like Palin on the ticket.

It wouldn't have mattered. This junior first term idiot senator was in the bag once he got past Queen Hillary.

 

[The_Trouvere]

I thought Sarah was one of the "reactionary evangelical flat-earth neo-cons" picked just to win the votes of "those" people...
When you do nothing but lie and spin webs, eventually you trip up...

Are you accusing me of lying? When have I ever lied about anything? I may have been wrong about this or that fact, but never intentionally.

Also, when did I refer to Palin as a "reactionary evangelical flat-earth neo-con?"

Evangelical Republicans tend not to be well educated. Neo-cons tend to have good educations. I am unaware that the GOP is making an effort to solicit the votes of those who believe in a flat earth, although they certainly do make appeals to those who believe in a young earth - that is to say an earth that is less than ten thousand years old. I have also read that a number of GOP state platforms have come out against witchcraft, although I cannot quote any.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Are you accusing me of lying? When have I ever lied about anything? I may have been wrong about this or that fact, but never intentionally.

Also, when did I refer to Palin as a "reactionary evangelical flat-earth neo-con?"

Evangelical Republicans tend not to be well educated. Neo-cons tend to have good educations. I am unaware that the GOP is making an effort to solicit the votes of those who believe in a flat earth, although they certainly do appeal to those who believe in a young earth - that is to say an earth that is less than ten thousand years old. I have also read that a number of GOP state platforms have come out against witchcraft, although I cannot quote any.

Straw-man parody...



If you only had a brain... speaking of reactionary... you should try thinking before posting, oh ye of the calm assurance of superior intellect.

 

[garbage can]

The United States faces serious economic problems. It may be that the prosperity of the second Clinton term cannot be restored, and that the American people will need to adjust to a permanently lower standard of living. Most Americans hope desperately that President Obama's economic efforts succeed. vetteman and the other wingnuts hope desperately that these efforts fail. They hope, in short, that millions more Americans lose their jobs and homes.
And it may happen. If the wingnuts have their way, the rich will still get richer in a country of growing misery. Lower income white Republicans will have the grim satisfaction of knowing that blacks and Hispanics are even worse off than they are.

Trou, how do you dream up this bullshit?

I have a stake in this economy, and I'd like to see it work.

My guess is.... that most Republicans would like to see it work also.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Trou, how do you dream up this bullshit?

I have a stake in this economy, and I'd like to see it work.

My guess is.... that most Republicans would like to see it work also.

"Limbaugh took the argument a step further by refusing to concede that it would be “good for the country” if Obama’s economic agenda does, in fact, lead to economic growth."
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/03/limbaugh-obama-success/

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

"Limbaugh took the argument a step further by refusing to concede that it would be “good for the country” if Obama’s economic agenda does, in fact, lead to economic growth."
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/03/limbaugh-obama-success/

Straw man, ad hominem, and now red herring...





The logical fallacy trifecta...



Grow a brain.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Straw-man parody...

If you only had a brain... speaking of reactionary... you should try thinking before posting, oh ye of the calm assurance of superior intellect.

It should be obvious from my posts that I collect my thoughts before submitting them. I document my assertions, and usually manage to avoid errors of spelling and grammar.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

It should be obvious from my posts that I collect my thoughts before submitting them. I document my assertions, and usually manage to avoid errors of spelling and grammar.

Not on this page...

 

[JMohegan]

It wouldn't have mattered. This junior first term idiot senator was in the bag once he got past Queen Hillary.

I think McCain would have won if he had picked an experienced & competent business person as running mate, and focused on coherent policy rather than character assassination throughout the campaign.

Unfortunately for McCain, the financial crisis didn't hit the front pages until mid-September, by which time he had already hopped into bed with Palin.

 

[Saint Peter]

I think McCain would have won if...

Sorry, no.

 

[JMohegan]

Sorry, no.

*chuckling*

Those were very big "ifs" - I agree!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Straw man, ad hominem, and now red herring...

It's not a red herring. Limbaugh represents, embodies and speaks for a major wing of the Republican Party, that's what this is about. If he says he'd rather see the American economy fail than Obama succeed, you can be sure many Pubs -- not "most," perhaps -- will ditto that.