Escaping antizionism

[TastySuckToy]

we must support Israel for the enemy (islam) is dangerous

Radical beliefs of any ideology are dangerous.

 

[SebastianHolt]

Radical beliefs of any ideology are dangerous.

true but the islam is packed with terrorists

 

[TastySuckToy]

true but the islam is packed with terrorists

It's not that Islam is 'packed' with terrorists.

The islamic religion has a huge global population and a largely self consistent ideology that outlines a strongly aggressive and violent expansionist theology. It will by definition be attractive to those with aggressive, violent and dominant perspectives.

I suppose one could say the larger population provides something of a shield for irrational belief systems.

But all religions share that burden and guilt.

The moment people excuse any irrational belief and ideas, the floodgates are opened to excuse any beliefs of that nature.

 

[Chernosoth]

It's an hour-long video but worth watching if you want to understand the mindset of antizionism.

Why did you post it as an external link? This site automatically embeds youtube videos.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

It's not that Islam is 'packed' with terrorists.

The islamic religion has a huge global population and a largely self consistent ideology that outlines a strongly aggressive and violent expansionist theology. It will by definition be attractive to those with aggressive, violent and dominant perspectives.

I suppose one could say the larger population provides something of a shield for irrational belief systems.

But all religions share that burden and guilt.

The moment people excuse any irrational belief and ideas, the floodgates are opened to excuse any beliefs of that nature.

All religions? It’s certainly true that Christianity and Islam have violent expansionist theologies, but religions like Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, and Judaism don’t.

 

[SebastianHolt]

It's not that Islam is 'packed' with terrorists.

The islamic religion has a huge global population and a largely self consistent ideology that outlines a strongly aggressive and violent expansionist theology. It will by definition be attractive to those with aggressive, violent and dominant perspectives.

I suppose one could say the larger population provides something of a shield for irrational belief systems.

But all religions share that burden and guilt.

The moment people excuse any irrational belief and ideas, the floodgates are opened to excuse any beliefs of that nature.

islam is the only religion that supports the removal of their enemies heads

 

[Chilllax]

islam is the only religion that supports the removal of their enemies heads

I am not a Muslim but where I am from, we have the largest Muslim population in the world, probably. All I can say is your interpretation is what it is, an interpretation. And unfortunately, it is the interpretations that are radicalizing a subset of the population.
Back where I am from, we have had Muslim doctors blow themselves up but also have Muslim neighbors give their shirt off their back for non Muslim neighbors. Not saying we ignore the radicalization that is happening but saying we shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush.
Blame the people who are twisting the interpretations to suit their agenda, just like the Ayatollah of Iran, as an example, or the Taliban. Not the entire population . It's like saying all Americans are hard core racists. I have faced my share of racism even on here but have met plenty of kind and open minded people as well. My humble 2 cents.

 

[SebastianHolt]

I am not a Muslim but where I am from, we have the largest Muslim population in the world, probably. All I can say is your interpretation is what it is, an interpretation. And unfortunately, it is the interpretations that are radicalizing a subset of the population.
Back where I am from, we have had Muslim doctors blow themselves up but also have Muslim neighbors give their shirt off their back for non Muslim neighbors. Not saying we ignore the radicalization that is happening but saying we shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush.
Blame the people who are twisting the interpretations to suit their agenda, just like the Ayatollah of Iran, as an example, or the Taliban. Not the entire population . It's like saying all Americans are hard core racists. I have faced my share of racism even on here but have met plenty of kind and open minded people as well. My humble 2 cents.

We can all agree that it's too problematic to trust any muslim. We just can't afford to take the chance with any them, and therefore, we deport all of them onto an island somewhere. they will not be allowed to travel nor fly. we can give them C4 with other explosives as well as manuals on how to build fun stuff ... and they can test their new inventions on each other

 

[Chilllax]

We can all agree that it's too problematic to trust any muslim. We just can't afford to take the chance with any them, and therefore, we deport all of them onto an island somewhere. they will not be allowed to travel nor fly. we can give them C4 with other explosives as well as manuals on how to build fun stuff ... and they can test their new inventions on each other

Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Ali(RIP) would probably have something to say about that but in all seriousness, what you are saying in between is fair and reasonable i.e be vigilant. Nothing wrong with that IMHO

 

[TastySuckToy]

All religions? It’s certainly true that Christianity and Islam have violent expansionist theologies, but religions like Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, and Judaism don’t.

You need to reread what I said. I never said all religions have violent expansionist ideologies.

 

[RobDownSouth]

All religions? It’s certainly true that Christianity and Islam have violent expansionist theologies, but religions like Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, and Judaism don’t.

The unintentional irony of Zionists such as yourself can be breathtaking.

"Judaism" isn't expansionist, but their toxic offspring Zionism is the most expansionist pseudo-theology of the 21st Century. Case in point: the current land grab in Lebanon......for "security purposes".

 

[SebastianHolt]

The unintentional irony of Zionists such as yourself can be breathtaking.

"Judaism" isn't expansionist, but their toxic offspring Zionism is the most expansionist pseudo-theology of the 21st Century. Case in point: the current land grab in Lebanon......for "security purposes".

We must help Israel grab more land from those dirty sand jockeys

 

[Chernosoth]

Soldiers need religions that accommodate their occupation, the use of violence to achieve political goals. Some nations have that included in the standard package and others add tweaks as needed. War is a human activity, practiced everywhere.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The unintentional irony of Zionists such as yourself can be breathtaking.

"Judaism" isn't expansionist, but their toxic offspring Zionism is the most expansionist pseudo-theology of the 21st Century. Case in point: the current land grab in Lebanon......for "security purposes".

There are fewer Jews in the world today then there were in 1930. We're not doing so well with expanding. Nor do we want to.

Israel was about 8500 square miles in 1948. It's about the same now. It was a little bigger in the 70's when it controlled the Sinai, but they gave up that territory in exchange for a peace treaty with Egypt.

Calling Zionism "the most expansionist pseudo-theology of the 21st century" is pure hyperbole.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

A history of how antizionism in feminist spaces has driven Jews out.

The same rot can be found all across the left, as Palestinism crowds out other issues.

 

[Chernosoth]

Judaism spread across the world with European expansion and colonization. That era has passed. As new powers rise and spread their religions, Judaism may be forgotten. Zionism may be forgotten as the modern equivalent of the Sea Peoples walk in and take the land.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Judaism spread across the world with European expansion and colonization. That era has passed. As new powers rise and spread their religions, Judaism may be forgotten. Zionism may be forgotten as the modern equivalent of the Sea Peoples walk in and take the land.

Jews have always been a small minority. Today about half the Jews in the world live in the United States. Most of them are descended from Ashkenazi who fled rising antisemitism in Eastern Europe in the 19th or early 20th centuries.

The other half of modern Jews live in Israel. Some of them are Ashkenazi too, but more are Sephardic or Mizrahi.

The Sephardic Jews originally lived in Spain under the Roman rule but dispersed throughout the Mediterranean after the Inquisition.

The Mizrahim have lived thoughout the Middle East for millennia but concentrated in Israel over the last 50 years as the surrounding Muslim states grew more intolerant and repressive.

The Jews have survived as a coherent people for thousands of years, riding out the ebb and flow of empires. We saw the end of the Pharaohs, survived the Babylonian Empire. Outlived the Persian, Greek and Roman Empires. Endured the Ottoman and British Empires. Survived the Nazi and Soviet attempts to exterminate us.

This isn’t our first rodeo.