Evolution or creation?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Intelligent Design has many theories, it's not just one. It's also not the same thing as Creationism.

Evolution also is not just one theory, there's a bunch of them.

Which ones involve Cheney and Haliburton?

 

[fgarvb1]

Which do you believe and why?

WTF?

Intelligent design and creation are NOT necessarily considered to be the same thing.

Intelligent design could be interference from unknown beings jacking around with DNA after Evolution had a ago at it.

Neither works for me.

 

[dolf]

WTF?

Intelligent design and creation are NOT necessarily considered to be the same thing.

Intelligent design could be interference from unknown beings jacking around with DNA after Evolution had a ago at it.

Neither works for me.

mmmhmmm evolution could have been the design. a self correcting and improving genetic program.

perfectly plausible... except for the god bit.

 

[jomar]

I think you meant to ask which is harder: community college or a trade school.

 

[snugglestruggle]

This is undoubtedly the most asked question in the history of humanity.

 

[unregistered]

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I take the same attitude Richard Feynman (an atheist) expressed, EXPLAIN HOW WE WENT FROM A UNIVERSE FULLA NOTHING TO A UNIVERSE WITH PLENTY OF STUFF. He said its the essential problem atheists cant explain.

 

[sigh]

I take the same attitude Richard Feynman (an atheist) expressed, EXPLAIN HOW WE WENT FROM A UNIVERSE FULLA NOTHING TO A UNIVERSE WITH PLENTY OF STUFF. He said its the essential problem atheists cant explain.

So we leap directly to "God made it"? Why not "We came from the last shit of a universe-filling monstrosity who, after consuming everything else, was forced to eat himself"?

If the universe was full of nothing, from whence came God?

 

[dolf]

from whence came God?

yeah, but that's different. because reasons.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So we leap directly to "God made it"? Why not "We came from the last shit of a universe-filling monstrosity who, after consuming everything else, was forced to eat himself"?

If the universe was full of nothing, from whence came God?

The debate is pointless as the calculus is beyond our reasoning, much less our senses. The mystery exists to expose perfessers as morons.

 

[1sickbastard]

I missed this. Is there some kind of magic Jesus nanner?

It's one of those things creationists like Ray Comfort & Kirk Cameron like to go on about. Creationists seem to have a thing for banana's, whether from suppressed homoeroticism or some monkey thing, no one really knows.

Bananas, maize & rice, the varieties cultivated by humans are "fully domesticated" as they are unable reproduce w/o human intervention.

Evolution, because there's evidence of it.
The the only evidence for creation is that we're here.

That we are here is only evidence that we are here.

I take the same attitude Richard Feynman (an atheist) expressed, EXPLAIN HOW WE WENT FROM A UNIVERSE FULLA NOTHING TO A UNIVERSE WITH PLENTY OF STUFF. He said its the essential problem atheists cant explain.

Atheists don't have to explain, as this is a question of physics.
Scientists who look at that question are intellectually honest enough to say, "I don't know," then start looking for answers grounded in demonstrable evidence.

Atheism=non-belief in a god or gods, only.

You've just demonstrated the "god of the gaps" argument, which sucks for you as the gaps in human knowledge are constantly shrinking, thus forcing 'god' into ever smaller gaps.

The debate is pointless as the calculus is beyond our reasoning, much less our senses. The mystery exists to expose perfessers as morons.

And this is an argument from ignorance (appropriate for yourself). The difference between dem edumacated collige perfesser eggheds & people of your ilk is y'all go, "I dunno, therefore gawd," whereas someone trained to view the world objectively & rationally say, I don't know, therefore I need to gather more information so I or someone else can figure this stuff out."

Which seems to be the reason a number of radical theists are anti-science, anti-education, and completely opposed to developing critical thinking skills & questioning authority.

 

[Queersetti]

yeah, but that's different. because reasons.

As a Catholic, I learned the answer to this question in catechism. And the answer is "Shut up."

 

[doowdniw]

If you want to see an example of a GMO, take a look at mass produced turkeys and compare them to the wild version. Apart from the waddle, they don't look much alike. We have been altering food sources to increase yield and reduce susceptibility to disease ever since we have had the knowledge to do so.

I prefer my fowl to be free range, but if you like really big breasts, by all means, go butterball.

(I may have wandered a bit astray from the initial topic - my apologies.)

 

[1sickbastard]

If you want to see an example of a GMO, take a look at mass produced turkeys and compare them to the wild version. Apart from the waddle, they don't look much alike. We have been altering food sources to increase yield and reduce susceptibility to disease ever since we have had the knowledge to do so.

I prefer my fowl to be free range, but if you like really big breasts, by all means, go butterball.

(I may have wandered a bit astray from the initial topic - my apologies.)

GMO is a specific term which means that the genes are manipulated directly, using genetic material from other species.

Current domesticated farm animals; turkeys, chickens, pigs, cows, are the result of animal husbandry, which is just selected breeding/culling.

The two are NOT synonymous.

 

[Hard_Rom]

There is no scientific proof gods do not exist. There are qualities of this universe that have to be just right for life or matter to exist at all. But then again the universe contains all that was, is and will be. In quantum physics you cannot get a zero probability, there is always a chance something can happen. Add in the possibility of multiple universes and life can arise and evolve on it's own.

In the beginning the universe was a timeless singularity. Something chaotic happened and it exploded into time and space. That something is the closest thing to god. It determined how this universe would unfold and evolve. It is technically a chaotic god. A god of order would have left the universe as an ageless perfect singularity. Chaos is change and not an orderly change. And chaos grows as the total entropy of the universe increases. Usable energy is always lost. Yet the universe accelerates from unknown energy. Eventually relativistic speeds exceed the speed of light and the universe throws itself apart like a too rapidly spinning engine.

If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a noise? Can something exist without observers? Does the universe need intelligent observers to have any existence? Does a god need believers to exist?

Or are we just a string theory hologram playing out on the surface skin of the expanding universe? Maybe we are the god's prime time TV show.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

It's one of those things creationists like Ray Comfort & Kirk Cameron like to go on about. Creationists seem to have a thing for banana's, whether from suppressed homoeroticism or some monkey thing, no one really knows.

Bananas, maize & rice, the varieties cultivated by humans are "fully domesticated" as they are unable reproduce w/o human intervention.

That we are here is only evidence that we are here.

Atheists don't have to explain, as this is a question of physics.
Scientists who look at that question are intellectually honest enough to say, "I don't know," then start looking for answers grounded in demonstrable evidence.

Atheism=non-belief in a god or gods, only.

You've just demonstrated the "god of the gaps" argument, which sucks for you as the gaps in human knowledge are constantly shrinking, thus forcing 'god' into ever smaller gaps.

And this is an argument from ignorance (appropriate for yourself). The difference between dem edumacated collige perfesser eggheds & people of your ilk is y'all go, "I dunno, therefore gawd," whereas someone trained to view the world objectively & rationally say, I don't know, therefore I need to gather more information so I or someone else can figure this stuff out."

Which seems to be the reason a number of radical theists are anti-science, anti-education, and completely opposed to developing critical thinking skills & questioning authority.

Naah. I understand science better than you do. Its impossible to sense the world objectively and reasonably as our collective fund of knowledge is miniscule.

Back in 1841 one of my ancestors was an MD trying to fathom yellow fever. He knew plenty about the disease but didn't know about germ theory, and consequently couldn't account for what exactly mosquitos did to spread the disease. I mean, they suck blood outta people, theyre not snakes that inject venom! or a rabid animal. And that's kinda where you are.

 

[sigh]

As a Catholic, I learned the answer to this question in catechism. And the answer is "Shut up."

I seem to remember it being more like, "God always was and always will be".

"Shut up" was the warning in the nun's eyes after she told us that.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Religious people are like pols who never serve, and do nothing but make problems for the rest.

 

[dashd]

I happen to be theistic evolutionist.

 

[phrodeau]

I happen to be theistic evolutionist.

That isn't rare.

 

[thebeesknees]

a little bit of both

Intelligent design with the ability to evolve

 

[someoneyouknow]

Intelligent design with the ability to evolve

Except ID is bunk because it offers no way to test for this omnipotent being who can magically make things happen. That is the basis for the scientific process.

With evolution we can make a hypothesis then go out and see if the evidence supports it. You can't do that with ID because by definition, an omnipotent being is untestable.

When you can devise a way to test for an omnipotent being, you let the scientific community know because they would be highly interested.

 

[Sean]

There is no scientific proof gods do not exist. There are qualities of this universe that have to be just right for life or matter to exist at all. But then again the universe contains all that was, is and will be. In quantum physics you cannot get a zero probability, there is always a chance something can happen. Add in the possibility of multiple universes and life can arise and evolve on it's own.

In the beginning the universe was a timeless singularity. Something chaotic happened and it exploded into time and space. That something is the closest thing to god. It determined how this universe would unfold and evolve. It is technically a chaotic god. A god of order would have left the universe as an ageless perfect singularity. Chaos is change and not an orderly change. And chaos grows as the total entropy of the universe increases. Usable energy is always lost. Yet the universe accelerates from unknown energy. Eventually relativistic speeds exceed the speed of light and the universe throws itself apart like a too rapidly spinning engine.

If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a noise? Can something exist without observers? Does the universe need intelligent observers to have any existence? Does a god need believers to exist?

Or are we just a string theory hologram playing out on the surface skin of the expanding universe? Maybe we are the god's prime time TV show.

Kill yourself, do the universe a favour.

 

[CandiCame]

I seem to remember it being more like, "God always was and always will be".

"Shut up" was the warning in the nun's eyes after she told us that.

Nuns are terrifying because I always thought that they had indicative clothing. I recently found out that those are ceremonial and they don't ALWAYS wear habits, they just dress like normal ladies. There could be a nun in any public space, and event, and you would never know unless she said something. That's terrifying.

 

[sigh]

Nuns are terrifying because I always thought that they had indicative clothing. I recently found out that those are ceremonial and they don't ALWAYS wear habits, they just dress like normal ladies. There could be a nun in any public space, and event, and you would never know unless she said something. That's terrifying.

In my experience, there are two types of nuns. Some are the sweetest, gentlest, most caring people you'd ever want to know. And the others shoot lightening bolts out of their eyes that are capable of evaporating all the juicy innards out of a miscreant in an instant. The latter ones seemed always to be put in charge of the children.