Evolution or creation?

[Anomaly1964]

All of you that believe in evolution, PLEASE tell me where that FIRST primordial ooze came from?

What did it...cough...evolve from?

 

[Que]

Evolutionary principles are demonstrable. Why is it that the left with its love of science understands natural selection and the fact that not every animal wins the lottery of life that is genetic immortality, but cannot extend that logic to humans.

Apparently humans were evolved from lower life forms and the very first copy of that new genus and specie was perfect in every way, and all replicants thereafter are special little snowflakes that are all equal in every way.

If you are going to push evolution lets get on board with all of it. ...and why are we encouraging and subsidizing inferior gene replication? Do you hate the following generations for being smarter than you?

If we do not allow the stupid and lazy to die, what is it that we are building a society for?

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Natural selection, evolution, mutations both macro and micro, and DNA modification through generations are all evidence of a natural process in action. None of it is evidence of an omnipotent, vengeful, genocidal, tyrannical sky being.

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

All of you that believe in evolution, PLEASE tell me where that FIRST primordial ooze came from?

What did it...cough...evolve from?

Since there are active bacteria in lower Earth orbit and beyond...well, let's just see if you can take that big leap of logic.

 

[phrodeau]

All of you that believe in evolution, PLEASE tell me where that FIRST primordial ooze came from?

What did it...cough...evolve from?

Chemicals plus energy.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100202101245.htm

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Chemicals plus energy.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100202101245.htm

Simple amino acids can be produced in the lab, so it's not a stretch for it to happen naturally. With enough time, anything is possible biologically.

 

[RedAllan]

All of you that believe in evolution, PLEASE tell me where that FIRST primordial ooze came from?

What did it...cough...evolve from?

Bacteria carried on a bloody great meteorite that smacked into the 'dead' planet.

 

[CandiCame]

I live in a state that has a "creationist" museum right down the road from one of the coolest fossil excavations I've ever seen. Like a 10 minute drive. Just gonna throw that out there. They're either building or have built a theme park. I wanna go so bad.

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

I live in a state that has a "creationist" museum right down the road from one of the coolest fossil excavations I've ever seen. Like a 10 minute drive. Just gonna throw that out there. They're either building or have built a theme park. I wanna go so bad.

Ask them how they got polar bears, American Bison, dingos, sloths, and Gila monsters (to name a few) on the ark.

 

[CandiCame]

Ask them how they got polar bears, American Bison, dingos, sloths, and Gila monsters (to name a few) on the ark.

If I get to go. The gf won't do things "ironically" because she thinks it'll mark the baby or some stupid shit.

 

[1sickbastard]

I believe in God

I dont believe in evolution... because evolution is fact and doesn't require faith

I can be very wrong about God.. but I cant be wrong about evolution

Actually, you can. Some genius might produce a fully testable theory that has resisted falsification in peer review that is both superior in being able to explain existing evidence and successfully predicts new discoveries.
Granted, after more that 150 years is doesn't seem likely, but it could happen.

I don't believe in evolution. I believe we should spend taxpayers' money on something better than a gang of eggheads proving their theories.

Right, because investing in scientific research has never produced anything useful, like the world wide web or the device you use to access it, or the satellites used to stream the data around the world, or nearly every fucking appliance, accessory or shit that keeps you from being a fucking illiterate peasant scratching a subsistence living from the dirt while your feudal lord fucks your wife & you get to watch most of your children die from disease & malnutrition.
Fucking hypocrite.

Speak for yourself and the other average people all you want but I am living proof of divine intervention.

Thus proving that, if a creator-god does exist, said god is a joker who enjoys giving gag-gifts.

WTF?

Intelligent design and creation are NOT necessarily considered to be the same thing.

Intelligent design could be interference from unknown beings jacking around with DNA after Evolution had a ago at it.

Neither works for me.

Yeah, except a Federal District Court ruled they ARE the same thing in Kitzmiller V Dover.

Naah. I understand science better than you do. Its impossible to sense the world objectively and reasonably as our collective fund of knowledge is miniscule.

Back in 1841 one of my ancestors was an MD trying to fathom yellow fever. He knew plenty about the disease but didn't know about germ theory, and consequently couldn't account for what exactly mosquitos did to spread the disease. I mean, they suck blood outta people, theyre not snakes that inject venom! or a rabid animal. And that's kinda where you are.

If you really do understand science better than me, which I fully admit is possible, even probable, then you should have backed up your claim with objective evidence instead of a story about one of your ancestors.

Religious people are like pols who never serve, and do nothing but make problems for the rest.

Oh fuck. I actually agree with you.

All of you that believe in evolution, PLEASE tell me where that FIRST primordial ooze came from?

What did it...cough...evolve from?

First off, that is abiogenesis, which is a different topic than evolution.
Secondly, just a guess, but I'm thinking it has much to do organic chemistry based around the most common elements found in the universe; hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen & carbon (helium & neon omitted as they are inert Nobel Gases).

Fun fact: Helium is the only element that is liquid at absolute zero.

 

[1sickbastard]

If I get to go. The gf won't do things "ironically" because she thinks it'll mark the baby or some stupid shit.

Teaching a child to ask questions, particularly difficult questions...
Yeah, no good ever comes of that.

 

[julybaby04]

Even to argue that evolution exists....it had to start somewhere. Even the world beginning with, even a big bang, had to have a starting point.

The intelligent design of God, the creator is very clear whether for evolutionist or creationists.

 

[CandiCame]

Teaching a child to ask questions, particularly difficult questions...
Yeah, no good ever comes of that.

Well I think it's more that where she's still in development she thinks she won't question it and will just blindly absorb the stupid via youth indoctrination. She doesn't have the faith in tiny brains that I do. I think that this bitch was born knowing how to judge, and subsequently make fun of, stupid people. I think that this is a gift we need to nurture, or she might be... idk, nice? Capable of existing peacefully in society?

 

[CandiCame]

Even to argue that evolution exists....it had to start somewhere. Even the world beginning with, even a big bang, had to have a starting point.

The intelligent design of God, the creator is very clear whether for evolutionist or creationists.

Now see, I find this brand of stupidity particularly annoying. Because several people, especially in my area, have it. "Nothing starts with no beginning."

"Well then what created your god?"

"Fuck you, that's what."

 

[1sickbastard]

Well I think it's more that where she's still in development she thinks she won't question it and will just blindly absorb the stupid via youth indoctrination. She doesn't have the faith in tiny brains that I do. I think that this bitch was born knowing how to judge, and subsequently make fun of, stupid people. I think that this is a gift we need to nurture, or she might be... idk, nice? Capable of existing peacefully in society?

Kids are always smarter than people give them credit for; natural scientists always asking 'why'.

It's better to be able to make fun of stupid people, otherwise one will has to either just put up with their stupidity (which is a bad idea) or go to jail when one finally tries to beat some sense into their thick heads (which just sucks).

Now see, I find this brand of stupidity particularly annoying. Because several people, especially in my area, have it. "Nothing starts with no beginning."

"Well then what created your god?"

"Fuck you, that's what."

Case in point.

 

[CandiCame]

Kids are always smarter than people give them credit for; natural scientists always asking 'why'.

It's better to be able to make fun of stupid people, otherwise one will has to either just put up with their stupidity (which is a bad idea) or go to jail when one finally tries to beat some sense into their thick heads (which just sucks).


Case in point.

Well... she is super little right now. So she can't do much science. Most of her science is really annoying and consists of testing gravity by throwing shit at people. Might not even be a test. Could be she just likes to throw things. For no reason whatsoever. She might get smarter once she starts talking.

But I'm gonna disagree that kids are naturally curious, having been around them my whole life, and liking, as I do, developmental psychology. Kids are naturally selfish pricks who have to have knowledge repeated 15,000 times before they absorb it. Watch any kids show and see how they repeat everything 50 times. That's because little kids don't give a shit about anything but themselves- in psychology this is called developmental egocentrism. Kids still have that, "everybody take care of me because the infant mortality rate is probably pretty high" thing in their brain left over from our tribal ancestry where they might get eaten by a bear. Because, you know, evolution. That personality trait exists in babies worldwide because it helped them to survive. Curious babies wander off and get eaten by mountain lions. Introverted, selfish douchebag babies scream until someone takes care of them, and survive. Those kids from rugrats are not accurate. Somebody's gonna call social services on every adult in that show. Those kids are dead before the second season.

 

[1sickbastard]

Well... she is super little right now. So she can't do much science. Most of her science is really annoying and consists of testing gravity by throwing shit at people. Might not even be a test. Could be she just likes to throw things. For no reason whatsoever. She might get smarter once she starts talking.

But I'm gonna disagree that kids are naturally curious, having been around them my whole life, and liking, as I do, developmental psychology. Kids are naturally selfish pricks who have to have knowledge repeated 15,000 times before they absorb it. Watch any kids show and see how they repeat everything 50 times. That's because little kids don't give a shit about anything but themselves- in psychology this is called developmental egocentrism. Kids still have that, "everybody take care of me because the infant mortality rate is probably pretty high" thing in their brain left over from our tribal ancestry where they might get eaten by a bear. Because, you know, evolution. That personality trait exists in babies worldwide because it helped them to survive. Curious babies wander off and get eaten by mountain lions. Introverted, selfish douchebag babies scream until someone takes care of them, and survive. Those kids from rugrats are not accurate. Somebody's gonna call social services on every adult in that show. Those kids are dead before the second season.

Okay, I'll admit my sample of small kids was/is much more restricted that yours, so I'll defer to you as a generalized statement.

And RugRats? Yeech!

 

[CandiCame]

Okay, I'll admit my sample of small kids was/is much more restricted that yours, so I'll defer to you as a generalized statement.

And RugRats? Yeech!

They're supposed to get over that shit around the age of 7. Sometimes you'll find adults that still do it. And it's so fucking annoying.

The only rugrat worth a damn- and consequently the one you didn't see that much, was Suzi. Because her parents (and her older sister) FUCKING WATCHED HER.

 

[badbabysitter]

Evolutionary principles are demonstrable. Why is it that the left with its love of science understands natural selection and the fact that not every animal wins the lottery of life that is genetic immortality, but cannot extend that logic to humans.

Apparently humans were evolved from lower life forms and the very first copy of that new genus and specie was perfect in every way, and all replicants thereafter are special little snowflakes that are all equal in every way.

If you are going to push evolution lets get on board with all of it. ...and why are we encouraging and subsidizing inferior gene replication? Do you hate the following generations for being smarter than you?

If we do not allow the stupid and lazy to die, what is it that we are building a society for?

That's awesome the way you insinuated that if we teach evolution we should teach nazi eugenics

sure... sounds good.. just as long as when we teach creationism we teach the torture techniques of the spanish inquisition

it's the logical progression of christianity after all

 

[Que]

Wouldn't "...but, but....sputter...the Muslims!" be a bit more millennium appropriate?

I thought you would be in favor of Margaret Sanger eugenics?

 

[1sickbastard]

Evolutionary principles are demonstrable. Why is it that the left with its love of science understands natural selection and the fact that not every animal wins the lottery of life that is genetic immortality, but cannot extend that logic to humans.

Apparently humans were evolved from lower life forms and the very first copy of that new genus and specie was perfect in every way, and all replicants thereafter are special little snowflakes that are all equal in every way.

If you are going to push evolution lets get on board with all of it. ...and why are we encouraging and subsidizing inferior gene replication? Do you hate the following generations for being smarter than you?

If we do not allow the stupid and lazy to die, what is it that we are building a society for?

First off, let's take care of the fallacies:
There is no such thing as genetic immortality. The fate of all species is extinction. That makes life a bit more special for the individuals in existence, so long as they continue to exist.
All species are transitional. Species currently extant are so because they are suitably adapted to the current environmental conditions which are in a constant state of flux. Any mutation is neutral until environmental factors dictate otherwise. Mutations that may have been neutral or negative in previous generations may become positive in succeeding generation & vice versa. We don't need to make such choices, environmental factors will do so without any help from us. Arbitrarily eliminating one particular genotype from H. Sapiens sapiens can very easily turn around and be the death of the whole species. And yes, while extinction is the eventual fate of any species, why rush it? That would be like saying there's no point in living since you're just going to die.

Eugenics is morally reprehensible. If one truly wanted to 'improve' the species, whatever that means, it would be far better to subsidize those who are deemed to have superior genetic qualities so they have significantly more offspring who in turn produce significantly more offspring (and so one) that those who have traits deemed less desirable.

Humans build societies to benefit all individuals within a society, so we enrich ourselves as a species and enhance our overall survival as a species.

See, here's the thing; compassion & empathy are evolutionary adaptations that, so far, have proven to be some of humanity's greatest strengths.

 

[CandiCame]

First off, let's take care of the fallacies:
There is no such thing as genetic immortality. The fate of all species is extinction. That makes life a bit more special for the individuals in existence, so long as they continue to exist.
All species are transitional. Species currently extant are so because they are suitably adapted to the current environmental conditions which are in a constant state of flux. Any mutation is neutral until environmental factors dictate otherwise. Mutations that may have been neutral or negative in previous generations may become positive in succeeding generation & vice versa. We don't need to make such choices, environmental factors will do so without any help from us. Arbitrarily eliminating one particular genotype from H. Sapiens sapiens can very easily turn around and be the death of the whole species. And yes, while extinction is the eventual fate of any species, why rush it? That would be like saying there's no point in living since you're just going to die.

Eugenics is morally reprehensible. If one truly wanted to 'improve' the species, whatever that means, it would be far better to subsidize those who are deemed to have superior genetic qualities so they have significantly more offspring who in turn produce significantly more offspring (and so one) that those who have traits deemed less desirable.

Humans build societies to benefit all individuals within a society, so we enrich ourselves as a species and enhance our overall survival as a species.

See, here's the thing; compassion & empathy are evolutionary adaptations that, so far, have proven to be some of humanity's greatest strengths.

Plus we're super bad at animal husbandry. We create animals which benefit humans, more docile for factory farming, cutenss (?) etc, but then we have pugs whose eyes pop out of their sockets and bovines who are so dependent on humanity that they can't fuck, and therefore can't survive, on their own. We are not good at this. We've got several species that we specially bred via controlled evolution- that /cannot/ survive in the wild. I wasn't joking about pugs. Their squished faces- which was originally a mutation that nature would have bred out; don't leave very much room for their sinus cavity; so when they have sinus problems that create pressure, like allergies, infections, and whatnot, the cavity's expansion- which on a normal dog has plenty of room, puffs up into the eye socket.

There are plants that don't produce seeds and NEED humans to make and plant cuttings. We fucked them up too, because we're too lazy to pick seeds out of our food like a normal animal; we want to be able to just shove that watermellon strait into our faceholes, like a civilized creature. To the point that a natural banana FUCKED WITH ME because I had never seen one. The bananas that we buy in stores- those can't survive without human interaction.

It's not somuch that animal husbandry is bad- which we have deemed Eugenics in humans- It's that we suck at it. And we do breed out certain genetic diseases, the same way all animals do, by being unfuckable because we look diseased. You see genetic diseases much more commonly among people with a smaller breeding pool; because that shit starts popping up mostly in inbreeding; which would mean I would have to explain a punnet square, which we all learned in 5th grade, so I won't. Humans are a very specialized species, and we make up for it with our intelligence. We have a specialized digestive tract, so we learned to cook meat so it wouldn't be poison. Well... not pure poison, we still have the heart disease and fatty buildup, but you get my point. We found a way around it. We have a more limited ability to cope with temperature than other animals, so when it got cold we tore them open and wore their flesh. Humans aren't stronger or faster than other animals, and we can't outwit nature herself. Our entire culture depends on our overwhelming badassness. If we lose that ability to adapt because we wrongly assume a negative trait is a positive one, we'll have fucked ourselves. And we don't know the fabiric of the universe with the absolute certainty to predict exactly what the future will hold. So we need to not fuck with it. Or at least, fuck with it the absolute minimum amount.

Take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but footprints and all that postcard bullshittery.

 

[about_average]

Evolution, because there's evidence of it.
The the only evidence for creation is that we're here.

That we are here is only evidence that we are here.

That was sort of my point.

 

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