Evolution or creation?

[nowisthetime]

You know, life is so precious. The Earth as we know it, will not be here for a long time. Who knows? Another galaxy may collide with ours? The sun will eventually burn out, become a red giant, burning up our atmosphere and then become a white dwarf and die out.

Then what next? Another Big Bang? Life is continuous but it may not be the same life form as long as the elements exist. We are just a bunch of elements formed into compounds, a mixture of all sorts of compounds. I'm always interested in scientific discussions.

 

[phrodeau]

The expanding Universe proves it. God is making the Universe larger every day so that we all can have special places to go when we die. I personally know there are going to be at least 100 special existences for me when I leave here. My family will want me in one place, an old friend (not old in age but years know) will want me in another. Of coarse there will be the world with my wife and children then another with endless seas and perfect islands with the perfect quartering wind filling my sails. That place will have some days of huge seas and high winds and the ice box will always be full as will the larder. Perhaps a fine young sailor girl will spell me at the helm and we will sail under the full moon and star studded skies.

Another world will be high prairies divided by high snow capped mountain ranges. Clear streams and lakes will be abundant and a nice lodge (tepee) will be glowing in the night welcoming me to camp. Of coarse a willow thin young lady will be waiting by the door.

Another world will be a ranch with a fence line that will take me 5 days to ride. Aspen glades will great me each evening to my camps and at the end of the 5 days I will ride into my headquarters and my wife will be waiting where she has tended her goats and chickens and her gardens.

I could go on and on but you will not read or care. Now the diff between me and you is if I am wrong nothing lost. If you are wrong look what you are throwing away. Only you will know.

Have a good life

PS there is some one here who I will also meet and we will make sweet music in the fields and the woods and the bed room and by the beach and anywhere we want. And the good thing is that person will have many other worlds where they will live with loved ones and do things that do not involve me. But they will be content and happy

And yes I died once and saw the lights ahead but it was not my time. The old Friend came to me the night of the funeral and took me part way and Again I knew it was not my time and that was gut wrenching to pull away. But hay, If I am wrong, nothing lost because I will not know it.

Nothing lost?

What about the time you could have been doing something to better yourself and your family instead of refusing to work every seventh day? What about the property tax exemptions given to churches, which ends up raising their neighbor's property taxes whether they like that church or not?

Those two things by themselves represent an enormous loss to our economy and our way of life.

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Nothing lost?

What about the time you could have been doing something to better yourself and your family instead of refusing to work every seventh day? What about the property tax exemptions given to churches, which ends up raising their neighbor's property taxes whether they like that church or not?

Those two things by themselves represent an enormous loss to our economy and our way of life.

Like was said earlier in the thread...why buck tradition?

 

[phrodeau]

Like was said earlier in the thread...why buck tradition?

If President Obama refused to work on Sundays, what would Rush say?

 

[1sickbastard]

OH!

Peer reviewed.

Why didn't you say so?

#SettledScience.

:nods:

Good thing we don't use the standard "preponderance of evidence" for history.

Assuming we agree that Jesus was not the son of God, (because he was missing a birth certificate) do you maintain that each and every teacher and prophet in the Jewish religion was made up out of whole cloth as fictional characters and none of them ever existed or actually taught?

There was no temple, there were no leaders? The Pharisees and Sadducee sects were fictional?

If we risk beheading to say that Allah is not God, do you also maintain that the person that was Mahmoud (a mortal man) who actually made up Allah was also fictional?

Did any actual humans live on the earth before the internet was invented by Al gore?

Someone started a sect we now know as Christianity. If Fred the Baker rather than Jesus the Carpenter made up his parentage as other-worldly...why is it that Fred the Baker did not encourage people to worship him?

You maintain that this religion has staying power of 2000 years from a paul-bunyon legend about a guy that no one ever met? That all of the writers who claimed to have met them (admittedly most of the bible was written by one guy paul, but not all of it) just had a mass hallucination, not of Jesus divinity, but his existence as a dude they broke bread with?

huh.

First off, history is not a science.
Secondly, peer review means both idea & the methodology has been subjected to a brutal process designed to expose flaws in his arguments & evidence, and his work managed to pass both. Dr. Carrier's work is actually the first real scholarly challenge to a long held notion about the historicity of Jesus as an actual person.
Thirdly, the only way knowledge expands is to continually test it's veracity. If the preponderance of evidence continues to support a historical Jesus after being challenged, then our knowledge is that much more sure. If it doesn't then what was held as knowledge is exposed as inaccurate. Either way, it's a win for the species. Knowledge that cannot be tested or cannot withstand being tested is of questionable value.

Do keep in mind that, other than the bible itself, there is no contemporary accounts backing up the existence of Jesus. The closest is Josephus's account, but he was born several years after Jesus's alleged death. Tacitus's account is less an account an more of a description of the cult based around the figure of Jesus. Neither can be described accurately as contemporary. But if you consider that proof of Jesus's historical existence, then any written account describing Mithradism automatically makes Mithras a real historical figure by the same standard.

Oh, and the Bible is a demonstrably inconsistent, contradictory, and parts are just flat out wrong in matters of provable fact, so it's evidentiary value is at best compromised. At worst, it has NO value as evidence.

Also according to your logic, Hinduism is more probable as it has been around far longer & has a much more prestigious history. Some of the Veddas have been determined to be as much as ten thousand years old.
I could make similar claims for Confucianism & Buddhism (whose texts are about as old as the bible), but those are not so much religions & philosophies.

If you want to go by physical monuments, I guess the discovery of Troy proves all the Olympic gods & goddesses are real, as was Achilles, Paris, Odysseus, the Sirens & the rest of whatever from Greco-Roman tradition. For that matter, Athens still exists along with the Parthenon.
I've visited the Temple of Ba'al in the Bekka valley. Ba'al must be real too then, huh?

Paul is credited with writing parts of the New Testament, specifically the Epistles, but naught else. If you're going to make assertions about who wrote the bible, you may want to actually learn something about it first. Or at least spend a few minutes fact checking yourself.

You probably think that the Church having control over most of the institutions of learning in Europe for nearly two millennium didn't prompt any sort of institutionalized confirmation bias on a presupposed idea. Because religious authorities are all about exposing errors in knowledge & tolerating contending points of view. Never would a religious institution slaughter masses of people for having different ideas or anything.
Certainly the Church wouldn't excommunicate & imprison a guy for being able to demonstrate heliocentrism or anything that might challenge the authority of the Church (Galileo).

That Europeans managed to begin a truly global system of trade & finance, then come to dominate that system does not conflate to the religions (I say religions because the Protestant Reformation & the Anglican Schism had fractured western Christianity, and the people of the time held their separate churches constituted completely different religions) those people practiced having an actual historical figure at the basis for those religions. Those are separate issues.
However, it is worth noting that the "Age of Expansion" for Europe did correspond rather neatly with the "Age of Reason" and the loosening of the control by the Christian Churches over academia & politics.
Certainly when our own founding fathers decided to institute representative democracy for the fledgling nation, that made damn sure the church & religion was as removed from the centers of power as they knew how.

As far as the historicity of Mohammed is concerned; I've done little study on the matter, so I don't know.

Your statement about the internet is completely nonsensical & has no bearing in this discussion. If you had some relevant point to make, just make it.
If this was another example of your self-described humor, then you may want to look into getting a better writer for your jokes.

 

[NickiC]

If President Obama refused to work on Sundays, what would Rush say?

He would run to his Oxy dealer and then go play golf. No I revise after eating 3 huge meals from Wawa and a double milkshake from Dairy Queen he would go to the evening service at his home church in a strip mall in Coral Gables Florida. Pray it away Rush it helps and a hot shower with lavender.

 

[Mike_Yates]

There is hardcore genetic, scientific, and archaeological evidence to support evolution.

Did you know that human DNA and Chimpanzee DNA are both about 98% identical?

Human beings ARE direct evolutionary ancestors of simian creatures, and we are not yet done evolving.

 

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^^^ He is Mike Yates and he approved this message.

 

[JudasIscariot]

There is hardcore genetic, scientific, and archaeological evidence to support evolution.

Did you know that human DNA and Chimpanzee DNA are both about 98% identical?

Human beings ARE direct evolutionary ancestors of simian creatures, and we are not yet done evolving.

98% isn't proof.

They don't have lie detectors for a reason in court rooms.

That 2% leaves a lot to be desired, that could be the difference between banging coconuts against a rock or figuring out how to make an axe.

 

[JohnnySavage]

There is hardcore genetic, scientific, and archaeological evidence to support evolution.

Did you know that human DNA and Chimpanzee DNA are both about 98% identical?

Human beings ARE direct evolutionary ancestors of simian creatures, and we are not yet done evolving.

No doubt about it, for those of us that have seen your selfie.

 

[phrodeau]

No doubt about it, for those of us that have seen your selfie.

Have you seen your own? You want to blame God for that?

 

[subdued_passion]

Aren't we their descendants, when did we become their ancestors?

Damn, our education system really sucks.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Have you seen your own? You want to blame God for that?

I was created in his image.

 

[4yourpleasureiam]

Nothing lost?

What about the time you could have been doing something to better yourself and your family instead of refusing to work every seventh day? What about the property tax exemptions given to churches, which ends up raising their neighbor's property taxes whether they like that church or not?

Those two things by themselves represent an enormous loss to our economy and our way of life.

I do not look on myself as God. He earned the right not work every seventh day, I did not so I worked when ever something needed to be done. Property tax exemptions are given to churches because of the good they do that the tax payers do not want to pay for, i.e. food missions to the inter city poor or out of work ( soup kitchens) Hospitals, aid to those in need Learn American history. Orphanages you name the charity and churches have led the way. Name one hospital called Atheist whatever.

Have you ever visited a Veteran cemetery. Look at the markers on the graves and thank the dead Christian and Jewish solders for your way of life. Have you ever seen any soldier turn down a Chaplains visit. Have you ever served your country and earned your way of life.

You know nothing short stuff.

 

[phrodeau]

I do not look on myself as God. He earned the right not work every seventh day, I did not so I worked when ever something needed to be done. Property tax exemptions are given to churches because of the good they do that the tax payers do not want to pay for, i.e. food missions to the inter city poor or out of work ( soup kitchens) Hospitals, aid to those in need Learn American history. Orphanages you name the charity and churches have led the way. Name one hospital called Atheist whatever.

Have you ever visited a Veteran cemetery. Look at the markers on the graves and thank the dead Christian and Jewish solders for your way of life. Have you ever seen any soldier turn down a Chaplains visit. Have you ever served your country and earned your way of life.

You know nothing short stuff.

I've been to several churches and other houses of worship, and they are all the same. They are all in the business of fleecing their flock, with a separate fund drive for every charitable concern they choose to provide. And if the roof leaks, that's another fund drive.

I've seen a dozen police directing blocked-up traffic on a Sunday morning because megachurches don't bother to stagger their service hours. Guess who pays their wages.

I'm not sure where you live, but around here there are plenty of secular hospitals and orphanages, and you'll find lots more in Canada, where health care isn't dependent on charity.

I serve my country by striving to make it fair for all its citizens, not just the ones who want to bother with God.

 

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[4yourpleasureiam]

I've been to several churches and other houses of worship, and they are all the same. They are all in the business of fleecing their flock, with a separate fund drive for every charitable concern they choose to provide. And if the roof leaks, that's another fund drive.

I've seen a dozen police directing blocked-up traffic on a Sunday morning because megachurches don't bother to stagger their service hours. Guess who pays their wages.

I'm not sure where you live, but around here there are plenty of secular hospitals and orphanages, and you'll find lots more in Canada, where health care isn't dependent on charity.

I serve my country by striving to make it fair for all its citizens, not just the ones who want to bother with God.

You live off the blood others have shed. That is being a leech.
You dishonor Frodo and Bilbo, they fought for their world you sit back and let others fight for your freedom while you fight to take their freedom.

 

[4yourpleasureiam]

If President Obama refused to work on Sundays, what would Rush say?

Name me one day your hero has done an honest days work. And no, kissing his wife and daughters as the board the plane to china or Africa is not an honest days work. I might add at the tax payers expense. Sending his daughter to Mexico does not count as work either.

 

[Mike_Yates]

No doubt about it, for those of us that have seen your selfie.

What?...

 

[phrodeau]

It's always fun and enlightening to read what Christians have to say.

 

[4yourpleasureiam]

It's always fun and enlightening to read what Christians have to say.

So tell me. You say you don't like Christians because they rip off the tax collection by their exemption. The question I have for you is, How are you going to exterminate all the welfare people and multi generation welfare people. You must go crazy at their drain on the tax rolls.
And no evading the question as you are so transparent at.
You are so funny in your own little way. You remind me of Ted.

 

[Sean]

When Yates isn't the looniest person in a thread, there's something seriously wrong.

 

[phrodeau]

So tell me. You say you don't like Christians because they rip off the tax collection by their exemption. The question I have for you is, How are you going to exterminate all the welfare people and multi generation welfare people. You must go crazy at their drain on the tax rolls.
And no evading the question as you are so transparent at.
You are so funny in your own little way. You remind me of Ted.

Welfare people? But I thought the churches were taking care of them.

 

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