"Fair Share" and "Living Wage"

[BotanyBoy]

Your first link doesn't prove your point at all. Your second link proves me correct. Care to try again, or maybe I missed something specific in one of these where you can point to a speicific tax break that helps those government folk?

When Clinton gives Sachs a tax exemption it helps her land those 200-400 thousand dollar appearance gigs.

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[Real_American12]

All indicators say that's just not going to happen.

The opposite is true.

Your hypersensitivity to any thing even questioning of much less attacking them says otherwise.

Like what?

All I have to do is point out socialism working and you practically lose your shit, go into full denial and just start making things up.

Bullshit, you live in a commie propaganda land.

Your first link doesn't prove your point at all. Your second link proves me correct. Care to try again, or maybe I missed something specific in one of these where you can point to a speicific tax break that helps those government folk?

Reread it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

When Clinton gives Sachs a tax exemption it helps her land those 200-400 thousand dollar appearance gigs.

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She doesn't give Sachs a tax exemption though. She gives a tax exemption to everybody in a particular class/profession whatnot. Unless there is something Sachs gets that Wells Fargo doesn't. And what precisely is the tax exemption for/from?

I think churches SHOULD be taxed. But churches not being taxed is not a loophole. It's a sufficient number of people with a sufficient amount of power think that religion is important and that religious entities should be immune. It pisses me off to no end but it's not a mistake.

Nor is it corruption. It was the intended path. Just not one I approve of but I don't get to write the rules unfortunately.

Edit: And to push anything through Hillary needs 50 other Senators and not doing the math right now Reps. Most of whom are not getting mad bank to talk.

Honestly I'm not sure I really buy that politicians are bought and paid for since that's really a rather high risk investment for a business over the long run. Why not simply support someone who is already gonna do the things you want? IT seems infinitely easier to fund Botboy when I own a huge marijuana farm that I want legalized than it is to give money to Real American in the hope that he doesn't take my money and fuck me in the ass. . .and then he's an incumbant so just real talk I'm gonna have to spend twice as much to get him out as I did getting him in in the first place.

So yes it's important to know who they get their money from. These are not stupid people. I'm just not sure they really do MUCH they wouldn't have done to begin with.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The opposite is true.

Based upon what?

Judging by your own indignant hyper rage about all the socialism going on I'd say you're in denial man.

Like what?

Bullshit, you live in a commie propaganda land.

Like you just demonstrated your inability to step outside your 1776 fantasy bubble and further proved the first point all in two lines lol fuckin' brilliant.

She doesn't give Sachs a tax exemption though. She gives a tax exemption to everybody in a particular class/profession whatnot.

Yep and they shower her in money.

Just like defense contractors shower the GOP in money and the Republicans find wars for them.

Edit: And to push anything through Hillary needs 50 other Senators and not doing the math right now Reps. Most of whom are not getting mad bank to talk.

Not to talk but campaign funding to push legislation you bet your sweet fuckin' tits they are.

Honestly I'm not sure I really buy that politicians are bought and paid for since that's really a rather high risk investment for a business over the long run.

LOL, that's the best investment ever....buy a senator to crush the competition and then contract you out for stupid over inflated prices. Or even limited permitting/licencing...oh man don't ever underestimate that power. That's life and death right there. I totally see that happening all around.

The 1% are all in bed with with Washington for a reason.

Fastest way to get rich is go suck that dick and get that gubbmint contract/cool guy permits man.....it's like winning the fucking lottery and I should have done it 10 years ago.

But that's the game man, never in my life have I had so much go my way so fast than after kissing the council-lady ass, tossing some cash and support her way this year. Friends in high places = shit getting done like fuckin' magic and shit....imagine that right

I had to shmooze politicians to get a permit to sell shit, that's not even an exaggeration and quit literal, at a value of about 9 bucks a cubic foot you gotta slob knob to get your paperwork in order and not be treated like an ATM for inspectors, that's how fucked up 'crony' California is.

Fucking scum bags...

But that's the way it is....and if it works out as well as it looks I'm going to sac and slobbing bigger knob even harder.

At that point it will just be a fact that I'm setting cannabis trends statewide

 

[Sean Renaud]

LOL, that's the best investment ever....buy a senator to crush the competition and then contract you out for stupid over inflated prices. Or even limited permitting/licencing...oh man don't ever underestimate that power. That's life and death right there. I totally see that happening all around.

The 1% are all in bed with with Washington for a reason.

Fastest way to get rich is go suck that dick and get that gubbmint contract/cool guy permits man.....it's like winning the fucking lottery and I should have done it 10 years ago.

But that's the game man, never in my life have I had so much go my way so fast than after kissing the council-lady ass, tossing some cash and support her way this year. Friends in high places = shit getting done like fuckin' magic and shit....imagine that right

I had to shmooze politicians to get a permit to sell shit, that's not even an exaggeration and quit literal, at a value of about 9 bucks a cubic foot you gotta slob knob to get your paperwork in order and not be treated like an ATM for inspectors, that's how fucked up 'crony' California is.

Fucking scum bags...

But that's the way it is....and if it works out as well as it looks I'm going to sac and slobbing bigger knob even harder.

At that point it will just be a fact that I'm setting cannabis trends statewide

How is it a good investment? You have no real way of controlling them and I gave you perfect example. Why would you try to BUY real American for your pot business instead of just finding Botboy and funding him to do things he was already going to do? I have a lot easier time trusting you to legalize pot and decrease the prison community if I promise you my vote and all the free punch and pie for your meetings than I do RA if I hand him an island.

 

[BotanyBoy]

How is it a good investment?

Just like me....if you want these insano pain in the ass take for ever paperwork all these wonderful liburhulz n bureaucrats have piled to fuckin Neptune to happen sometime in the next 5 years.....you gotta kiss their ass's.

Otherwise they won't give a fuck and your shit will sit on some nose pickers desk for the next 8 months.

You have no real way of controlling them and I gave you perfect example.

True....and that's why the BIG bucks hedge their bets. Sometime it doesn't always work out either.

But having influence and favor because money and schmoozin' is still an over the top powerful economic/business tool.

In D.C. it's nearly a direct one....fuckin' congress critters don't even write laws anymore, lobbyist do.

Why would you try to BUY real American for your pot business instead of just finding Botboy and funding him to do things he was already going to do? I have a lot easier time trusting you to legalize pot and decrease the prison community if I promise you my vote and all the free punch and pie for your meetings than I do RA if I hand him an island.

Because Real American won the election and is in control...so if you want influence you need to go grovel at your lords feet and hope for the best. Or you're just not going to get the 2.7 million forms, 15 licences, 3 boards and 245 inspectors you need to open a lemonade stand in California done this decade.

Isn't mega powerful government and micromanaging hyper regulation wonderful!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh, your argument is buying them AFTER they win office?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh, your argument is buying them AFTER they win office?

Both....

It's like any other market, how much do you want to risk vs what you think your reward will be.

Unless I come up with rather substantial amount of support on an election cycle it will take a good while to win favor with an incumbent, lot more ass kissing involved.

Fresh blood is risky, incumbents are hard to take down, but it's got much bigger/faster returns as far as favor goes.

Things with term limits are practically gambling but that's why big bucks gamble both sides.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I just don't know I really believe people are that easy to buy. I'd take your money then go sit in office and tell you to play a polite game of hide and go fuck yourself. What are you gonna do? Beat an incumbant!?

But I see your point.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I just don't know I really believe people are that easy to buy. I'd take your money then go sit in office and tell you to play a polite game of hide and go fuck yourself. What are you gonna do? Beat an incumbant!?

But I see your point.

Oh they are. Not to the extent that I get what I paid for so do this....the closest it gets to that only happens at the highest levels with the big mega bucks. Even then they don't always get what they want.

They want campaign money...sometimes they can't accommodate but they STILL legislate with their largest contributors in mind first. If they don't they won't be getting their campaigns financed....fresh blood will.

That's why when nobody writes or tries to call POTUS they get an aid to say or type up a general format response of "thanks have a great day, look forward to your vote next election now go fuck yaself." and Sachs can walk onto capital hill, demand a trillion bucks and walk off with a check in hand.

 

[srgreene]

Henry Ford outraged capitalists when he paid his assembly-line workers twice the going rate for skilled labor. Aha, those workers then had cash wfor decent homes and new cars and other stuff, boosting the local economy (and Ford's coffers).

I'm not sure about your anti-"Fair Share" rant but a living wage means workers needn't depend on welfare (like many Walmart workers -- note that Hillary sat on Walmart's board for years) and have money to spend in their locale. If you think paying workers less than a living wage is a good idea, try it yourself. Report back next year. If you're not in jail.

Quite many people in the world would consider themselves blessed to have less than the American "living wage".

But, of course, people decrying the condition of people who don't make a "living wage" intentionally leave out the leveling affects of various programs, such as income tax credits and medical insurance subsidies. No, nobody would want to raise a family on less than the "living wage"- and few people in the USA really do.

Poverty is not somethingg to be ashamed of, or proud of. It is something to be gotten rid of. And an opportunity society- in which the "animal spirits" of free enterprise unshackled by government bureaucracies and regulation- are the best way to ensure that people can leave poverty.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No it simply isn't. The animal spirits left unfettered lead to a single outcome. Kings who cannot be conquered save by God himself.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No it simply isn't. The animal spirits left unfettered lead to a single outcome. Kings who cannot be conquered save by God himself.

On the flip side when you bury them in enough regulations no one but the elite has access to them you also lead to the same outcome.

The trick is to leash the animal spirits, not strangle them to fuckin' death and here in the US weve cornered ourselves into polarized schools of derp that say "NO regulation is the only thing that works, personal responsibility and other mythical things take care of it all like magic!!" and "Lemonade stands need to be HIGHLY regulated by 13 agencies and 3 boards of supervisors with arbitrary veto powers that answer to NOBODY. This process should cost NO LESS than 15 million dollars in fees, paperwork, inspections and licencing that SHOULD take at least 10 years to get.".

Reality is we do need a level playing field, there does need to be rules and officers/officials who enforce them.....without arbitrarily picking who gets to play the game and who gets to win the game.

Or it just goes to shit.....and you get kings who can't be conquered without burning the place to the ground, literally.

 

[srgreene]

No it simply isn't. The animal spirits left unfettered lead to a single outcome. Kings who cannot be conquered save by God himself.

Sean, your statement is simply absurd.

Capitalism is the engine that has lifted billions of people out of poverty. Yes, it produces some extremely wealthy people, but to the extent that they made their money in honest trade, you are not harmed by them (unless perhaps you are one of their unfortunate competitors). By creating new vistas of opportunity, Jay Gould, John Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, even Steve Jobs, benefited more people than Mother Teresa.

The pernicioius welathy ones are those who made their money by government influence.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sean, your statement is simply absurd.

No it's not....capitalism and truly free markets without rules are every bit as savage and horrible as iron fisted communism.

It fucking sucks and that's why you can't name a single truly free economy out there that isn't a complete fucking shit hole.

There have to be rules.

You have to invest in your society, protect and take care of it to some extent or you'll just be a 3rd world shit hole.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Capitalism hasn't existed in centuries if not longer and nobody is stupid enough to try it because it's simply that bad a system. America has certainly never experienced capitalism.

Without government blocks capitalism takes the only course it can. One King. There is no other way and we are watching before our eyes as a lack of controls allows it to happen again.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Capitalism hasn't existed in centuries if not longer and nobody is stupid enough to try it because it's simply that bad a system. America has certainly never experienced capitalism.

Without government blocks capitalism takes the only course it can. One King. There is no other way and we are watching before our eyes as a lack of controls allows it to happen again.

One Queen

 

[Sean Renaud]

And as the world becomes increasingly efficient it's gonna get worse.

Well yes, it could be one Queen. I'm old timey enough to remember that male is the "neutral" pronoun in English. Things are male until they are proven female unlike many other languages where things are female until you know for a fact they are male. I was not making a gender judgement there.

 

[BotanyBoy]

And as the world becomes increasingly efficient it's gonna get worse.

Well it's the lack of efficiency in regulation that is making it worse.

We need things like Glass-Steagall....we need the clean water/air act....etc.

What we don't need is 13 agencies and 2 arbitrary answer to nobody veto boards doing everything they can to keep you from opening your lemonade (whatever) stand if anyone along the way doesn't think you're cool enough.

They need to post even steven rules/standards that apply to all, you go down with you bidnizz/taxID#, pay your 500 dollar paper work fee and BOOM! you're in bidnizz.

Law enforcement can drop by and do inspections, non compliance means consequences. Greed/corruption are the only reason for the army of bureaucrats/red tape/insano fees on pretty much fucking every industry liburhulz can get their hands on.

Well yes, it could be one Queen. I'm old timey enough to remember that male is the "neutral" pronoun in English. Things are male until they are proven female unlike many other languages where things are female until you know for a fact they are male. I was not making a gender judgement there.

She just won what are you talking about? It's all over just like CNN and FOX have been chanting.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh Hillary? Bwahaha haa ha. At worst she's a puppet of the future King. I'm pretty sure that Elon Musk has enough money that he could drop it on Hillary's house and crush her. And he isn't even the richest!

I don't disagree with you on the poor regulations. But the reality is that efficiency really helps the 1% a lot. Every bit of tech that serves as a force multiplyer helps. I have no idea for example how many people work at Netflix. I do KNOW that it is fewer than used to work at Blockbuster across the country. Plus Blockbuster only got my money when I went to them! I might not watch any Netflix this month!

Those self driving cars are gonna be here in a hot minute etc etc.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh Hillary? Bwahaha haa ha. At worst she's a puppet of the future King. I'm pretty sure that Elon Musk has enough money that he could drop it on Hillary's house and crush her. And he isn't even the richest!

Oh I know I was just being silly pre mocking the RWCJ.

I don't disagree with you on the poor regulations. But the reality is that efficiency really helps the 1% a lot. Every bit of tech that serves as a force multiplyer helps. I have no idea for example how many people work at Netflix. I do KNOW that it is fewer than used to work at Blockbuster across the country. Plus Blockbuster only got my money when I went to them! I might not watch any Netflix this month!

OH yea totally...and I'm find with that as long as Netflix realizes the cost of concentrating that much wealth is that they will have to take on a proportional amount of bill paying .

Those self driving cars are gonna be here in a hot minute etc etc.

Only if the government forces them.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Im just shocked that some of the obama slaves would attempt to get a job and they are using this as an excuse as to why they are not working

lets face it the obama kind are lazy assholes

 

[BotanyBoy]

Im just shocked that some of the obama slaves would attempt to get a job and they are using this as an excuse as to why they are not working

lets face it the obama kind are lazy assholes

That's what happens when you used the gov to subsidized your work force instead of just paying them.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

Henry Ford outraged capitalists when he paid his assembly-line workers twice the going rate for skilled labor. Aha, those workers then had cash wfor decent homes and new cars and other stuff, boosting the local economy (and Ford's coffers).

I'm not sure about your anti-"Fair Share" rant but a living wage means workers needn't depend on welfare (like many Walmart workers -- note that Hillary sat on Walmart's board for years) and have money to spend in their locale. If you think paying workers less than a living wage is a good idea, try it yourself. Report back next year. If you're not in jail.

Ford did eventually cut salaries. Fired older workers in favor of younger ones...also required employees to live by high living standards no drinking or gambling even on their own time. Never mind he was a tad anti-Semitic. Enough to be praised by Hitler. Not exactly the best example of labor relations.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh I know I was just being silly pre mocking the RWCJ.



OH yea totally...and I'm find with that as long as Netflix realizes the cost of concentrating that much wealth is that they will have to take on a proportional amount of bill paying .



Only if the government forces them.

Mock on!

I'm fine with Netflix as well. Love them. Hell for me personally they are great with BB I was somewhat careful with my rentals. (granted I was also a kid for most of that) but with NF, sometimes it says "Cus you watched this, you'll like that" and I'll go. You think my watching Rocky V means I'll like Air Bud bcuz sports? Okay. you're clealry insane. Wait. Is that an anime about pro wrestling? (20 episodes later: MUSCLE BUSTER you have to beat the GWO before they take over the Galaxy!)

I don't think the government needs to force business owners to take better solutions. Which in many cases driverless cares are going to be. Especially for truckers. Trucks that don't get tired and make mistakes, are driving at peak gas efficiency and never get sick are gonna be a no brainer the precise second they are reliable.

Ford did eventually cut salaries. Fired older workers in favor of younger ones...also required employees to live by high living standards no drinking or gambling even on their own time. Never mind he was a tad anti-Semitic. Enough to be praised by Hitler. Not exactly the best example of labor relations.

You're supposed to fire older workers in favor of younger ones. I don't agree with him controlling their lives (citation please) and I don't care if he was praised by Hitler. That doesn't even make you anti-Semitic and even if it did it was the 1920s. You were either a Jew or anti-semitic.