Ferguson Neverending 2017

[phrodeau]

Criminal shooters = apples.
Perpetrators = oranges.

 

[ElleryQueen]

Since HisArpy either doesn't know or deliberately confuses the issue, here is the actual fact, found in the Snopes link:

White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

Oh, this old chestnut again.

I love how you hold up the population itself and not crime statistics. Then again, if you did you'd be acknowledging that black people account for 28% of all crime - specifically 38% of all violent crime, and ever further 51% of all murders, 38% of all rapes, 56% of all robberies, and 33% of all aggravated assaults - setting the rate at which they commit crime and initiate non-friendly interaction with the police almost equal to the rate at which they're shot and killed by police.

Now let's remember, these breakdowns prove that, when compared to white people, black people commit 2.1 times more crime, 2.9 times more violent crime, 3.9 times more murders, 2.3 times more murders, 4.3 times more robberies, and 2.5 times more aggravated assault. When we factor in that police officers are more likely to use force when interacting with violent criminals, the black violent crime rate suggests black people should account for much more than 26% of all police shootings.

Let's also consider that police are more likely to use force when a suspect resists arrest. A study done in New York before anyone had even heard of Ferguson, Missouri proves that, when compared to white people, black people are 1.9 times as likely to resist for misdemeanor drug possession, 2.1 times as likely to resist for petty theft, and 1.6 times as likely to resist for disorderly conduct.

And please, argue that black people are unfairly targeted. When we consider that 72% of all violent crime perpetrated against black people was done by other black people - with 96% of all robberies against black people and 70% of all assaults - the most logical conclusion is that black people are being targeted by other black people.

However, you'll probably argue that the police are disproportionately patrolling black neighborhoods since the New York Civil Liberties Union proved that white people accounted for 11% of Stop, Question, and Frisks, while black people accounted for 54% despite white people accounting for 32% of New York's population while black people account for 22% - in other words meaning that black people are about 7 times more likely to be stopped by police than white people. Go right ahead.

New York City crime statistics prove that black people, when compared to white people, were arrested 12.6 times more for murder, 9.5 times more for rape, 17.2 times more for robbery, 8 times more for felonious assault, 5.4 times more for grand larceny, and 34 times more for shootings.

Also, since you just love how black people make up such a small percentage of the population, let's remember that, of all murders perpetrated just between these two races, black-on-white murder represented roughly 8% while white-on-black murder represented roughly 4% (the remaining 88% were not cross-race). However, when you consider the percentage of the population that each race accounts for, then statistics prove black people are approximately 12 times more likely to kill a white person than a white person is to kill a black person. For all violent crimes, black-on-white accounted for 5 times more than white-on-black, which, by their respective population percentages, adjusts to black people being about 27 times more likely to perpetrate violent crime against white people.

So please, explain to me how black people are being shot too often. All crime statistics suggest they should be shot and killed much more than they already are.

And since you already made your last ditch to Chloe, I'll answer that as well since you'll no doubt say it to me as well.

What kind of bullshit is this? Do you even care about due process?

Yes, I do. However, these people die because rather than face due process and attempt to work the system, they try to run away from the system and harm others in their own bids for freedom. While I don't like that anyone is killed ever, the fact is some people make choices that inevitably reach that conclusion for someone who is not necessarily themselves. I'm not going to shed a tear for some tick who chooses anarchy but can't even survive that choice for one day.

 

[handysr]

Criminal shooters = apples.
Perpetrators = oranges.

Typical response. Wouldn't have expected anything smarter if a squirrel had replied.

Instead of trying to refute or argue facts, you try a lame attempt to redirect.

Racist apologist.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Why are your last two graphics linking to davidduke.com? Couldn't find a non-Nazi source?

You know why. They're good graphics!

https://68.media.tumblr.com/46d6ebfee529c9ca49907492730b7038/tumblr_nfly0tksOt1qh3h8wo1_1280.png

bwahahahaha

It's funny cuz it's true...

 

[IrezumiKiss]

However, these people die because rather than face due process and attempt to work the system, they try to run away from the system and harm others in their own bids for freedom

https://media.giphy.com/media/LUxOyzLDy9zpK/giphy.gif

No, for most if not all, their choice to even do so AND right for due process was taken away from them before they even had a chance to make a choice to run away. That's the system making sure it's bottom line is signed off.

But a shindig full of multiple murders while being white...not only will they likely apprehend you instead of murking you straight off the bat, they might take you to Burger King because your tummy is grumbling after the party you shot up is done.

Yeah, sorry bitches, but that actually happened. No anecdote.

 

[ChloeTzang]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/46d6ebfee529c9ca49907492730b7038/tumblr_nfly0tksOt1qh3h8wo1_1280.png

bwahahahaha

It's funny cuz it's true...

http://davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/prcentages-of-white-black-shootings-in-ny-police.finalpg1.jpg

http://davidduke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Ratio-whites-to-blacks-killed96fianal.jpg

bwahahahaha

It's soooooo funny coz ...... when you look at the stats, you're so right. It's true. That white kid with an AR15 and a "don't tread on me" tee has probably been well trained, knows how to use it, knows gun safety and is about as unlikely to shoot a cop or a fed as anyone in existence. Now the black kid with the toy gun, well, lets look at those stats as to whose likely yo shoot at a cop once again. Oh yeah. 67% of perps who fire on cops are black. High Threat, baby! bwahahahaha

Oh, and good morning. Hope you had a great weekend and you're looking forward to a wonderful week.

 

[dan_c00000]

Oh, this old chestnut again.

How come whites commit double the amount of crimes than blacks? Do they deserve to be shot for no legitimate reason?

 

[Boxlicker101]

How come whites commit double the amount of crimes than blacks? Do they deserve to be shot for no legitimate reason?

It's because whit people make up a much larger percent of the population than lack people do. If things were in proportion, the rate would be about seven to one.

 

[dan_c00000]

It's because whit people make up a much larger percent of the population than lack people do. If things were in proportion, the rate would be about seven to one.

Didn't answer my question: you are arguing that whites are superior to blacks if that is true why did white people commit double the number of crimes? And since whites committed double the number of crimes did they deserve to be shot for those crimes?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Didn't answer my question: you are arguing that whites are superior to blacks if that is true why did white people commit double the number of crimes? And since whites committed double the number of crimes did they deserve to be shot for those crimes?

Another one that doesn't understand basic maths, boxlicker. Sad, but not even worth replying too. Dan, I'd suggest some remedial math classes, then come back in a year or too and we can check if you're up to speed. Good luck and remember, don't stop if you have one of "those" accidents. Or wait, hey, what am I saying. Yeah, stop by all means.

 

[ElleryQueen]

Didn't answer my question: you are arguing that whites are superior to blacks if that is true why did white people commit double the number of crimes? And since whites committed double the number of crimes did they deserve to be shot for those crimes?

Another one that doesn't understand basic maths, boxlicker. Sad, but not even worth replying too. Dan, I'd suggest some remedial math classes, then come back in a year or too and we can check if you're up to speed. Good luck and remember, don't stop if you have one of "those" accidents. Or wait, hey, what am I saying. Yeah, stop by all means.

You may find it to be a waste of time, but until they prove beyond a doubt to be a racist who only has an agenda on their mind, I'm going to at least try. Some people just need a good reality check.

How come whites commit double the amount of crimes than blacks? Do they deserve to be shot for no legitimate reason?

As has been stated repeatedly, white people may account for a significantly larger amount of the population. This time, I'll even include the population percentages. While white people are responsible for nearly 70% of all crime, they also comprise roughly 62% of the population. However, black people account for 13% of the population but around 28% of the crime. When you consider this ratio of population to crime, the reality becomes that black people are more than twice as likely to commit any crime compared to white people. Similarly, Latinos are approximately 18% of both the whole population and the crime population - this 1:1 ratio is where the lot of the races should be if one race or more was not perpetrating more crime than any other.

Go ahead and call white people violent since their ratio proves they're too prone to crime. But be sure to say the same about black people and point out Asians are quite adverse to crime. And the bottom line of it is that black people are perpetrating a staggeringly high amount of crime compared to their population.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Poor underprivileged people commit crimes far beyond what there population percentage says. If blacks make up more than their share of the poor then they will make up more than their share of crime. Why blacks make up more than their share of the poor is a bad reflection on the ruling white caste. And that is what it is a caste. America has a caste system. Like it or not. With little room to move out of your caste or class.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Poor underprivileged people commit crimes far beyond what there population percentage says. If blacks make up more than their share of the poor then they will make up more than their share of crime. Why blacks make up more than their share of the poor is a bad reflection on the ruling white caste. And that is what it is a caste. America has a caste system. Like it or not. With little room to move out of your caste or class.

I would be inclined to somewhat agree with you if we were only looking at crimes against property, such as burglary and robbery. However, black people also commit a disproportionate number of rapes and battery. There should be no connection between financial status and crimes against persons.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Poor underprivileged people commit crimes far beyond what there population percentage says. If blacks make up more than their share of the poor then they will make up more than their share of crime. Why blacks make up more than their share of the poor is a bad reflection on the ruling white caste. And that is what it is a caste. America has a caste system. Like it or not. With little room to move out of your caste or class.

I'll think you'll find an analysis of crime stats comparing working class or underclass whites with blacks also shows blacks with significantly higher crime stats, esp murders and rapes. That whole socio-economic thing was shot down a long time ago. There's actually a much higher correlation of IQ to violent crime than than anything else. Also verbal skills and some genetic propensity towards violence. One of the possible reasons why crime rates in poor north Asian communities in North America is generally very low. That and we're smart enough to keep it in house.

all the research is out there, it's just that real science is not politically correct. It just is.

 

[dan_c00000]

I notice that the white supremacists haven't given me a real answer so I'll ask it again.

If white people are so superior how come they commit double the amount of crimes? And do they deserve to be shot for those crimes?

 

[urguyscott]

The left make racist as their only argument for everything it seems. Pres. Obama and the crooked AG and FBI director sent over 40 FBI agents to Mo. to find a way to charge the police and city for this guy's death. The video of his action in the store, his actions in the street and the testimony of witnesses and lack of anything that the FBI could find or make up showed that they reacted correctly.

I don't want to talk ill of any one who has pasted away. But it doesn't matter what color a hood is, if he is foolish enough to threaten a police officer, he is placing his life in danger. Cut the racist crap out and the anti police and anti Constitution talk and go by facts only.

There are large sections of cities that are basically all black or Latino. Why? Ghetto's are not the answer, racistism from our colors are not the answer. People within the area create their own neighborhoods. You don't think those people want gangs to have control, politicians branding everyone as belonging to this group or that group. they want to live their lives in safety. yet as shown by some of the posts on here, the left and corrupt politicians want to keep people riled up and convened that they are being "set upon" by the Man. B. S.

A crook is a crook, regardless of his color or sex or religion, etc. You should want to erase them from your neighborhood. And you should not want outside gangsters, paid by left wing traitors to come into your city like they did here and burn and riot and try to kill your citizens. You should raise up against those paid thugs and the media and politicians that paid them to try and kill and destroy. They are the real criminals.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I notice that the white supremacists haven't given me a real answer so I'll ask it again.

If white people are so superior how come they commit double the amount of crimes? And do they deserve to be shot for those crimes?

We don't have any white supremacists here, and I doubt that any from somewhere else will even see your rant.

This being the case, some of the rest of us have answered your question repeatedly, but I will do it again. White people commit more crimes than other racial groups because there are so many more of them. White people also blow their noses more often, trim their fingernails more often, drive to work more often and do almost anything more often than any other racial group.

 

[nowisthetime]

It's safe to say that the vast majority if not all, white right wingers are very evil, sadistic, and bitter people. These people are mean-spirited and their brains are wired to follow authoritarian leaders. They are also warped enough to think THEY are the victims. It's not merely a difference in belief system. These people are SICK. Just look at the persecution complex of ALL the right wing posters on THIS BOARD.


These were the same cloth of people responsible for the Holocaust and other such misery of human kind. After all, the Nazis were murderous right wing scum.


The right wing has a feverish hatred of blacks, Jews, Muslims, immigrants, gays, and Progressives. This hatred has been whipped up by the right wing news media thanks to the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine feeding this garbage to many of America's feeble-minded masses. Remember, the first step in murdering people is to DEHUMANIZE them. Once you DEHUMANIZE them and laugh in their misery, then comes murder or support of genocide.

The sane people have awoken in this country to the evils of the far right. It is NOT natural and it will NEVER be normal.


I'm a strong advocate of arming oneself for protection and utilizing self defense methods against nutjobs because there are people who want to see me DEAD as a WOC.

 

[BotanyBoy]

These were the same cloth of people responsible for the Holocaust and other such misery of human kind. After all, the Nazis were murderous right wing scum.

Liar liar....pants on fire.

Nazis were not right wing, very much the opposite.

 

[magicalmoments]

Liar liar....pants on fire.

Nazis were not right wing, very much the opposite.

So... You're at odds with all of the world authorities on the political positioning of the Nazis.
Hitler himself would be appalled that anyone would think his party even so much as inclined it's head to the left, let alone leaned that way.

 

[ChloeTzang]

So... You're at odds with all of the world authorities on the political positioning of the Nazis.
Hitler himself would be appalled that anyone would think his party even so much as inclined it's head to the left, let alone leaned that way.

National Socialists. The nazis were essentially a left wing socialist workers party whose main competitors initially were the German communists. The whole left right thing is a fallacy anyhow. The nazis were totalitarian, like most communist and socialist political groupings are. Calling nazis right wing is about as accurate as calling Trump a fascist. Out to lunch on both counts.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I notice that the white supremacists haven't given me a real answer so I'll ask it again.

If white people are so superior how come they commit double the amount of crimes? And do they deserve to be shot for those crimes?

Dan Dan Dan, you haven't done your maths homework. Just numbers without percentages means nothing. You're comparing apples with orang-utangs I'm afraid. F minus for you.

 

[dan_c00000]

Wow you guys are getting your assholes ruined by me, as usual. Let me lay out your argument for you so, hopefully, you can answer my question. In fact, we'll do it the way we help the remedial students because you're maybe at that level, probably below.

*NOTE: These are all YOUR words and not mine

Claim: White people are superior to non-white people.

Evidence 1: Proportionately black people commit more crimes than white people.

Counter-argument (aka my question to you) 1: If why white are superior shouldn't they commit less or no crime when compared to blacks?

Evidence 2: Black people are shot during crimes because they commit them.

Counter-argument (aka my question to you 2: If white people commit those same crimes as blacks do they deserve to be shot during the commission of said crime?

I'll await your answer.

NOTE 2: You cannot answer this with statics as this is not a statistical question.

 

[ElleryQueen]

*NOTE: These are all YOUR words and not mine

Claim: White people are superior to non-white people.

None of us have claimed this. I have gone so far as to point out white people are still committing too much crime in relation to their population. Chloe is frequently arguing about the superiority of Asians. And everyone else is just saying police shootings of black people have more to do with them committing proportionally absurd amounts of crime and being significantly more likely to resist arrest.

And if we want to be technical, in terms of violent crime white people are quite proportional given how high these are for black people and Latinos. What drives the white percentages up is crimes related to alcohol - something proven by your source.

Evidence 1: Proportionately black people commit more crimes than white people.

Counter-argument (aka my question to you) 1: If why white are superior shouldn't they commit less or no crime when compared to blacks?

The fact that you can't even spot this contradiction after you typed it out demonstrates just how delusional you are.

Evidence 2: Black people are shot during crimes because they commit them.

Counter-argument (aka my question to you 2: If white people commit those same crimes as blacks do they deserve to be shot during the commission of said crime?

They are. In fact, when put into proportion, white people are shot far too often by police. This too has already been addressed. Furthermore, your question was originally:

Do they deserve to be shot for no legitimate reason?

No one bothered to answer because no one has provided anything beyond outliers or renditions that are not supported by the evidence to prove that black people are being shot for no reason by the police. The fact that you want to change your question part of the way through this debate and argue that no one can answer your question is a sign of cowardice. I've let it go so far since you were little more than some bigoted fool shouting in the forest. However, if you are going to insist no one is answering your question when it has been splayed out for you even before you asked it, it is time for us to prove any sort of education and psychiatric help you have received were a waste of money that demonstrate why we need to do away with public schools and psychiatry.

NOTE 2: You cannot answer this with statics as this is not a statistical question.

Yes it it can, because it is. You are asking about the crime statistics. One who asks about statistics and does not accept a statistical analysis as a valid answer is at best a fool, and at worst a bigot. And since you insist we are white supremicists because we put statistics in perspective for you, the answer is quite clear.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So... You're at odds with all of the world authorities on the political positioning of the Nazis.

Not at all.

I'm at odds with the ignorant masses who think left = altruism and good in the world and right = big meanie heads. You know, the ones who shit talk Hitler and Benito as the worst political leaders of all time..... while wearing a Che, Stalin or Mao shirt.

Hitler himself would be appalled that anyone would think his party even so much as inclined it's head to the left, let alone leaned that way.

Based upon what? His insatiable thirst for government control over the means of production, distribution and exchange of goods and services? The totalitarian social controls right down to peoples very thoughts?


Let me ask you this....what do you think the difference between left and right is?

Or if you prefer, what was right wing about the Nazis?