First two simple questions...

[Lovelynice]

Honestly, I can't remember. It has been sitting on my shelf for more than a year. The first part details the notion that a missile really hit the Pentagon and given the evidence, there is no earthly way an airliner could have struck this facility.

The second part deals with the towers I think.

There's a very good Italian documentary that I liked, with a lot of shots of controlled demolitions and demolition experts and structural engineers talking about the demolitions of the two towers. Professionally made.

Can't recall the name either.

There's been some good documentaries on Japanese TV as well.

Have you seen Loose Change, or that 9-11 sceptics conference that was repeated on C-Span four nights in a row?

 

[Leverage]

Have you seen Loose Change, or that 9-11 sceptics conference that was repeated on C-Span four nights in a row?

No, point me in that direction.

 

[BlueEyesInLevis]

There is no question too simple for you Lovelynice.

 

[Lovelynice]

There is no question too simple for you Lovelynice.

There's no question simple enough for you to understand, dear.

If you could understand basic physics, you'd have given up on lying about those obvious controlled demolitions of the WTC buildings ages ago.

But you're PAID to lie, aren't you?

 

[Lovelynice]

No, point me in that direction.

LOOSE CHANGE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change&pl=true


This is a documentary about 9/11 based around footage filmed by Richard A. Seigel.

pt 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=sCDUyV6aXeM&search=911 eyewitness

pt 2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=CAAj544e1cc&search=911 eyewitness

pt3 http://youtube.com/watch?v=bQucQvXVhvc&search=911 eyewitness

There's more stuff if you follow the links in my signature

 

[plasticman33]

No, point me in that direction.

Good grief, the insanity is spreading, it's like a virus........hmmm, an islamic terrorist plot?? Must be! Osama is behind this for sure!

 

[Lovelynice]

I always like to point out logic and facts to people, like to those dumb as a post "Arabs did it" conspiracy theorists who try to claim that cellphones can make calls from planes flying six miles up and over 450mph. Such a thing is IMPOSSIBLE without an onboard cellular basestation (technology which didn't exist prior to 2004).

The other lie these "Arabs did it" conspiracy theorists like to spread is the one about steel-framed buildings being able to collapse at freefall into their own footprint without a controlled demolition. In actual fact, before and after 9/11 it's NEVER HAPPENED.

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when steel & concrete buildings collapsed down at near free fall speed into their footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can you cite a single exception to this?

With a photo.

Then there's those shills who try to pretend that the US government doesn't employ shills whose job it is to LIE on message boards, and attack those who question the OFFICIAL LIES.

Patience in dealing with these idiot tin-foil hat wearing "Arabs did it" conspiracy theorists really helps, I just keep hammering home the unavoidable FACTS, backed by real physics, citing engineers and scientists, news sources and other cited experts.

We don't all have to fall for the propaganda of warmongering governments that tell lies about WMDs in Iraq, try to cover up previous conspiracies like Iran-Contra, or Watergate, or use almost daily colour-coded terror alerts to frighten the public while engaging in illegal and unconstitutional phone tapping. Why should we trust a government that has so little respect for human rights that they operate secret torture prisons in other nations, and kidnap people (calling it "rendition") in violation of the laws of other nations including their own allies, as well as imprisoning innocent people for five years without a trial.

 

[rosco rathbone]

local 40 JIW

 

[Lovelynice]

Must be! Osama is behind this for sure!

No, because you delusional fool,

Osama bin Laden is DEAD

1~ Osama bin Laden is NOT on the FBI most wanted list in connection with 911. Why not? According to FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4673 http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm (accessed 20 August 2006)

2~ Osama bin Laden is long D E A D. He died on the 16th December 2001, and this was reported throughout Asia and the Middle East about ten days later. Some members of his family attended his funeral in Afghanistan. He died from kidney failure and a lung infection.

Remember the FAKE confession video? Fake Osama on the left in the FAKE confession video, and the real Osama bin Laden on the right (of course)
http://h1.ripway.com/ken_from_dublin/fake_osama_comparo1.jpg

Damn the USA government under G W Bush loves to tell whopping great big lies.


Tragically, some SHILLS want to continue to PRETEND that Osama bin Laden is alive. Losing Osama must've been very traumatic for them.

Do a search on these if you like;

According to the Pakistani press, and the Egyptian newspaper, al-Wafd, (Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633) Bin Laden died in December 2001 of pulmonary complications incident to catastrophic kidney failure, in the absence of available hygienic dialysis.

The Egyptian newspaper al-Wafd published an article dated Wednesday, December 26, 2001, (Vol 15 No 4633) describing bin Laden's funeral:
"News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral 10 days ago
ISLAMABAD - A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. ..."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/funeral.jpg
This is a scan of Osama bin Laden's funeral notice

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen TEL AVIV - Osama Bin Laden appears to be dead but his colleagues have decided that Al Qaida and its insurgency campaign against the United States will continue, Israeli intelligence sources said. The Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably FABRICATIONS, Middle East Newsline reported.

(CNN, Oct 7, 2002) KABUL, Afghanistan - Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead, but former Taliban leader Mullah Omar is alive, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said.

(BBC, 18 July 2002) The US Federal Bureau of Investigation's counter-terrorism chief, Dale Watson, says he thinks Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead.

Then afterwards check "When did Osama bin Laden die?"

Religious people frequently go on blind faith believing their great messiah is still alive, but you know, Elvis is still dead, Jimmy Hoffa is still dead, and Osama bin Laden is still dead. That's despite confused pretenders claiming them to be still alive.

As I said, very sad.

Of course, the US media has taken awhile to catch up with news in Arabic; maybe they lack decent translators? Or it wilful denial of facts? Rather like the US media willfully denied the lack of evidence that the USA and UK govts were lying through their teeth about WMDs in Iraq. They really can't be trusted, can they?

So, do you think he's dead or alive?

 

[Lovelynice]

I guess they couldn't handle Osama's death.

 

[frzrman]

You Are An Idiot

How is it that all you conspiracy theorists call the "evil Busco" stupid, but you believe he pulled off a plot to bring down the Towers?

Now go drink your kool-aid and put your tin-foil hat on. The signals from the martians are scheduled for the next full moon.

 

[Lovelynice]

How is it that all you conspiracy theorists call ...

Hmmm... the real idiot is you

34 posts in FOUR YEARS!

You posted on 08-27-2006, 10:14 AM, but your previous post was a whole year before.... 07-17-2005, 01:46 AM

Come off it! Nobody is going to fall for this shill act of yours with little sockpuppet accounts and alts trying to pretend that there's more than 2-4 of you shills on the entire General Board at any time.

You LIARS are totally outnumbered, and know it.

That's why you lost in the polls that were posted.

View Poll Results: Who done it?
A guy in a cave with amateur pilots armed with boxcutters 25 votes 36.76%

Powerful faction intrinsically linked to the corporate & political military industrial complex that had already declared years before their intentions and desires for a "new Pearl Harbor" as an excuse for gaining more power and starting wars for political gain 43 votes 63.24%

and this one as well;

http://xs204.xs.to/xs204/06314/Tinfoil_OCTers.jpg

You rigged the votes and STILL LOST!

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

All these posts and absolutely no tits. What a sham.

 

[unregistered]

 

[MonaLittle]

I have a DVD that promotes the same thing...that it was a demolition.

Yeah, ok, it was a demolition

 

[Lovelynice]

Yeah, ok, it was a demolition

Yes, it was.

Deal with it.

Everyone else in the world has started to... including a group of engineers who recently PROVED IT with a massive supercomputer simulation. Oh, I can't wait to see your faces when the report for that one comes out.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Lovelynice]

You poor sad little man.

Have you coped with Osama bin Laden being dead yet?

1~ Osama bin Laden is NOT on the FBI most wanted list in connection with 911. Why not? According to FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb, “The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.” http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4673 http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm (accessed 20 August 2006)

2~ Osama bin Laden is long D E A D. He died on the 16th December 2001, and this was reported throughout Asia and the Middle East about ten days later. Some members of his family attended his funeral in Afghanistan. He died from kidney failure and a lung infection.

Remember the FAKE confession video? Fake Osama on the left in the FAKE confession video, and the real Osama bin Laden on the right (of course)
http://h1.ripway.com/ken_from_dublin/fake_osama_comparo1.jpg

Damn the USA government under G W Bush loves to tell whopping great big lies.


Tragically, some SHILLS want to continue to PRETEND that Osama bin Laden is alive. Losing Osama must've been very traumatic for them.

Do a search on these if you like;

According to the Pakistani press, and the Egyptian newspaper, al-Wafd, (Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633) Bin Laden died in December 2001 of pulmonary complications incident to catastrophic kidney failure, in the absence of available hygienic dialysis.

The Egyptian newspaper al-Wafd published an article dated Wednesday, December 26, 2001, (Vol 15 No 4633) describing bin Laden's funeral:
"News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral 10 days ago
ISLAMABAD - A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. ..."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/funeral.jpg
This is a scan of Osama bin Laden's funeral notice

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen TEL AVIV - Osama Bin Laden appears to be dead but his colleagues have decided that Al Qaida and its insurgency campaign against the United States will continue, Israeli intelligence sources said. The Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably FABRICATIONS, Middle East Newsline reported.

(CNN, Oct 7, 2002) KABUL, Afghanistan - Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead, but former Taliban leader Mullah Omar is alive, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said.

(BBC, 18 July 2002) The US Federal Bureau of Investigation's counter-terrorism chief, Dale Watson, says he thinks Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead.

A German TV show found that the White House's translation of the video was inaccurate and "manipulative". The quality of the video was very poor and the authenticity of the tape was questioned. Here's 5 Osamas - which is the odd one out? The four Osama bin Laden's with the long thin nose and features OR that other guy with the fat nose?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/binladen8.jpg
Fat-nosed guy is the man confessing on the "Osama confesses" tape. Between the nose and the cheeks it is clear that this man is NOT Osama.

On December 27, 2001, a second video containing the pale skinned and very real Osama 'C' was broadcast on al Jazeera. The tape was reportedly made on November 19, 2001 - that's ten days after the "lucky find" tape was reportedly made. Are we supposed to believe that Osama's skin, hair and beard changed color in ten days? Also, the REAL Osama bin Laden's comments caused quite a stir because because they contradicted the "confession" video.

There's been other fake videos since. Fake bin Laden tapes, "verified" by the CIA, are nothing new. Every supposed bin Laden statement since 2001 has been blatantly bogus.

Perhaps due to the widespread hilarity evoked by "Fatty bin Laden," the next Osama from beyond the grave message had no images it was an audiotape delivered to al-Jazeera in fall 2002. The CIA verified it as authentic and then got a rotten egg in the face when the world's foremost voice identification experts in Switzerland reported that "the message was recorded by an impostor."

Even the Christian Science Monitor doesn't buy the phony 'confession' tape anymore

...
The "confession" isn't one, but a mistranslation – and there are mistakes on the tape. Arabic is an extremely difficult language to translate accurately and unambiguously into English because of the radical differences in structure and alliteration.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0418/p11s02-coop.html

The real Osama bin Laden has been dead since December 2001.

This faking of videos in an attempt to demonize Arabs and Islam is far from uncommon these days
Atwar Bahjat horror story [UPDATE: it's a hoax.]
http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/2006/05/atwar_bahjat_ho.html


Then afterwards check "When did Osama bin Laden die?"

Religious people frequently go on blind faith believing their great messiah is still alive, but you know, Elvis is still dead, Jimmy Hoffa is still dead, and Osama bin Laden is still dead. That's despite confused pretenders claiming them to be still alive.

As I said, very sad.

Of course, the US media has taken awhile to catch up with news in Arabic; maybe they lack decent translators? Or it wilful denial of facts? Rather like the US media willfully denied the lack of evidence that the USA and UK govts were lying through their teeth about WMDs in Iraq. They really can't be trusted, can they?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Any malcontents come out of the woodwork yet to content themselves?

 

[Lovelynice]

Any malcontents come out of the woodwork yet to content themselves?

You must be a malcontent then, since you're in the minority, and the latest scientifically conducted survey shows 84% don't believe the USA government's official 9/11 LIES


RESULTS OF ONLINE POLLS ABOUT 9/11
http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/believe_conspiracy2.jpg
http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/gov_involved2.jpg
http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/wisconson_teach2.jpg

 

[bg23]

i too have two simple questions

1. why are you such an annoying yappy cow?

2. why are you such an annoying yappy STUPID cow?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

You must be a malcontent then, since you're in the minority

I wasn't in on the conspiracy...

Produce ONE conspirator and everyone has to believe you.

Until then,

You're off your rocker,
Just like Betty Crocker...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

i too have two simple questions

1. why are you such an annoying yappy cow?

2. why are you such an annoying yappy STUPID cow?

1. I was born this way.

2. I was edjumacated by de gub'mint....

 

[Lovelynice]

i too have two simple questions...

Personal attacks don't refute FACTS, dear.

Get used to it.

 

[Lovelynice]

You're off your ...

As I said to the other loony "Arabs did it" fool,

Personal attacks don't refute FACTS, dear.

Get used to it.

It's a FACT before and after Sept 11 2001 that no steel-framed hi-rise or tower-style buildings have ever collapsed straightdown at close to freefall speed into their own footprint - except with controlled demolitions, and that it is IMPOSSIBLE without a controlled demolition according to the laws of PHYSICS.

It's a fact that NOBODY has ever successfully simulated the collapses of WTC 1, 2, & 7 without considering controlled demolition, and that means NOBODY. Not NIST, not, NOVA, Dr Eagar, FEMA, MIT, Bazant & Zhou, nor Dr Frank Green, nor anyone else. NOBODY has succeeded; those who have claimed to have done so, have ALWAYS been proven to be LIARS when their mathematical formula were checked.

It's a FACT that there were hundeds of witnesses to explosions at the WTC buildings, and that their claims are supported by video evidence showing lines of explosions blowing out the floors before the falling debris could reach those floors, and there's seismic data showing impossibly short tremors revealing the use of explosives in those controlled demolitions.

Until you idiots can cite a link, source, and quote from SOMEBODY, ANYBODY, whose mathematical simulation or computer simulation based on the EMPIRICAL DATA (without distortion, deviation, or bullshit fictions) PROVES that there was enough energy for a gravity-driven collapse, YOU HAVE NOTHING!

Usually having a successful mathematical model that matches an event is considered vital in modern physics, and engineering in particular.

In the case of the WTC 1, 2, & 7 destructions, it's been considered VITAL that they be provable as gravity-driven collapses. If they can't be modelled as such, then the only rational reasonable conclusion is that they were controlled demolitions. The reason is simple; EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED tower buildings collapsed down at near free fall speed into their footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition. To make the claim that the destruction of WTC 1, 2 & 7 were not also controlled demolitions then it requires a successful mathematical simulation or computer simulation based on the EMPIRICAL DATA (without distortion, deviation, or bullshit fictions) that can PROVE that there was enough energy for a gravity-driven collapse

You have never been able to counter the point that I'm making. You fools are claiming that it's reasonable for THREE BUILDINGS to do on one day what no other steel-framed buildings have ever done before or since, worsened in extremity by the simple fact that NOBODY has been able mathematical simulate those collapses as being due the alleged "official cause". We're talking about PHYSICS.

Logic is on my side, simply because of this. All you have is faith-based excuses that ignore physics, science, hundreds of witnesses, videos, seismic data, times on atomic clocks, and contradictions in official reports. Lots of people ignore the contradictions in the Bible too, and that's the way you carry on about the "Official Conspiracy Theory". It doesn't matter apparently to you that something is OUTRIGHT IMPOSSIBLE, according to your faith-based argument, the Official View is always correct....even when the Officials have been caught out LYING on numerous occassions.