First two simple questions...

[phrodeau]

Ah, you're back.

Did you ever find any government or major media claims that there were NOT any explosions in the WTC collapses?

You called them liars for denying that there were explosions. Please cough up some lies.

 

[plasticman33]

Did she escape from the home again?

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)
SO WHAT CAN YOU DO?

Even if you are still skeptical, but think there are too many questions about the events of September 11 2001 that need answers, here are a few suggestions:

Ask Oprah to host a three-part special that investigates 9/11 http://oprah.bravocharlie911.com/

I'll give Oprah a call, but I don't think she'll be keen.

 

[phrodeau]

Did she escape from the home again?

I guess she returned.

 

[RawHumor]

Please read my sig.

Thanks.

 

[Lovelynice]

Please read my sig.

.

I did.I noticed three things

1) very typically your best cited source is a cartoon

2) you still can't counter any of my questions or any of the facts that I've cited.

and none of the rest of you fools has ever backed your bullshit in regards to this;

I POSTED THIS BEFORE AND I'M STILL WAITING!
HURRY UP AND BACK YOUR SHIT, SHILLS
Because none of you shills have answered these previous questions (below) or provided anything to back what you claim

Show the plane that hit the pentagon.

Come on tinfoil hat wearers, you can do this, can't you?

There's a million dollar prize if you prove the WTC buildings weren't taken down by controlled demolitions too. Don't forget that.

Why won't you take the challenge?

I'm asking you to back your lies.

If you can't prove the WTC buildings went down with a gravity-driven collapse and not a controlled demolition, then you can't prove the Official Conspiracy Thesis for the simple reason that NOBODY, not NIST, not MIT and EAGAR and NOVA has been able to simulate the collapse of the buildings in the way that you shills claim that they went down.



Show me some "snapped" steel beams from other building collapses which match those of the WTC steel beams.


Picture of some unknown dude who none of the shills could prove was a hijacker.They can't prove he was.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6536/unknowndudeinairportld2.jpg


Where's the passport photo and/or other ID photo to compare the faces of the men alleged to be them, and their ID photos?

You can do this, or you can't.

If you can't, then those aren't them. They could be anybody.


The USA government got caught lying in this way before

The real Hanni Majour
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/hanjour1.jpg

The guy that the US government tried to claim was him
http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2004-07/13512460.jpg
I guess he must've had a head transplant. Not a very convincing image from a security camera either; there's no date or time. Every security camera image that I've ever seen had a date and time stamp.

and nine of the alleged hijackers are still alive!
http://www.welfarestate.com/911/




Dodging again.

Where's the passport photo and/or other ID photo to compare the faces of the men alleged to be them, and their ID photos

Otherwise you really are a fucking loser


Gringao counter this, and stop dodging;

"Cellphones can't make calls from passenger aircraft from the 5-6 miles up, while the plane is flying at 500mph. Expert opinion and scientific studies agrees with this, as has been cited repeatedly. That brings into the question the airfone calls, which could be dismissed since there are no records of them, and it is already widely known that the cellphone calls were faked."

If you can dispute it, then provide evidence. I believe that on other threads about phone calls none of you shills has been able to prove that cellphones can make calls under those conditions.

None of you have won that debate yet. I checked.

Also none of you shills has ever been able to answer this one;

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when steel-framed tower buildings collapsed down at near free fall speed into their footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can you cite a single exception to this?

With a photo.

They have been unable to back their bullshit since I asked them to do so in regards to this above MONTHS ago!

Despite their earlier bullshit claims that it was "normal" for steel-framed buildings to collapse straight down into their own footprint (like WTC 7 does), yet not once have any of you been able to support your bullshit claims.

WTC 7 roofline to ground: 6.6 seconds. Symmetrical, straight down.
WTC 7 Collapse

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif



controlled demolitions for comparison with WTC 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ&search=implosion
http://www.dfw.com/multimedia/dfw/news/archive/0318implosion1/index.html


Video of firemen reporting bombs in WTC 7
"Bomb in the building. Start clearing out"
"What did you say? Secondary device?"
"Bomb in the building, start clearing out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W53wdu8IGlE&NR

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Those photos are not very compelling with the faintest of likeness, one easily seen if one BELIEVES...

You are no different than the Religious Right.

 

[Lavared]

I'll give Oprah a call, but I don't think she'll be keen.

The Jerry Springer Show would be a better milieu for that.

 

[Fagin]

I hate when people think they're teaching a class.

that is a loose use of the term "teaching" and way off base with the use of "think"ing when it comes to her/him/it.

 

[Lovelynice]

Those photos are not ...QUOTE]

why can't you simply answer the DAMN QUESTIONS?

or perhaps you don't have anything to back your bullshit with.... it certainly looks that way.

 

[Lost Cause]

Apparently, you haven't seen the latest S. Park episode~

http://www.southparkx.net/news/1009-mystery-of-the-urinal-deuce-download-now

http://getsouthpark.com/images/ep1009.jpg

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Those photos are not ...QUOTE]

why can't you simply answer the DAMN QUESTIONS?

or perhaps you don't have anything to back your bullshit with.... it certainly looks that way.

Because the question you have is based upon a faulty premise, that many men of lesser degree could keep such a thing completely secret coupled with the fact that it would take so many men of lesser degree to acomplish such a task. Principled men would have no hand or stake in such an action. They're the ones who finally decide to blow Hitler up.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Is he the first guy or the second guy in the photo?

I keep starin' and it could go either way...

Experts, you say...

Hmmmm...

Hm

.

 

[Fagin]

Definitely an expert. Nobody else can pick up that garbage can better.

 

[Lost Cause]

Mentally imbalanced people like the 911 cult, see only what they perceive as their reality.........

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/world_trade_center_videos.htm

 

[Fagin]

Just because you can't hear the voices in their heads doesn't mean they aren't there.

 

[Slider69]

Lovelynice-

I've not taken the opportunity to respond to your shit before, but I'm taking the time now.

This AM, Alex Jones was on local talk radio here in Houston. Prime AM drivetime hour from 8-9am. He was rambling like an idiot for most of the time, trying to plug his website, his videos, and expressing randomness I've not seen since Cybil.

But there were some interesting factual observations he made, and some facts that he shared about 9/11 that I found interesting and I totally don't discount it either. In fact, he discussed Operation Northwoods as a precursor to 9/11 and what the US government can, has and would readily do to push its own agenda.

Let me offer you a piece of advice....if you really believe all this, deep down, then you need to stop berating people, stop flaming them, calling them shills, insulting everyone at the drop of a hat, and learn some persuasion and presentation.

You lose the audience not because of the preposterous content of what you post in some people's minds, but because their minds aren't open. Figure it out.

 

[Lovelynice]

Lovelynice-

I've not taken the opportunity to respond ...

Sory, can't hear you!

Where's your FACTS, Mr Bullshit?

It's impossible to prove that the WTC buildings were taken down WITHOUT controlled demolitions because

1) nobody has been able to do so with the empirical data and according to NIST's own models, it was impossible (they couldn't do it with even the worse case scenario)

2) It's a FACT before and after Sept 11 2001 that no steel-framed hi-rise or tower-style buildings have ever collapsed straightdown at close to freefall speed into their own footprint - except with controlled demolitions, and that it is IMPOSSIBLE without a controlled demolition according to the laws of PHYSICS.
Can you cite a single exception to this? With link to photos and/or video to back your BS

3) It's a FACT that there were hundeds of witnesses to explosions at the WTC buildings, and that their claims are supported by video evidence showing lines of explosions blowing out the floors before the falling debris could reach those floors, and there's seismic data showing impossibly short tremors revealing the use of explosives in those controlled demolitions.

Usually having a successful mathematical model that matches an event is considered vital in modern physics, and engineering in particular.

In the case of the WTC 1, 2, & 7 destructions, it's been considered VITAL that they be provable as gravity-driven collapses. If they can't be modelled as such, then the only rational reasonable conclusion is that they were controlled demolitions. The reason is simple; EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when STEEL-FRAMED tower buildings collapsed down at near free fall speed into their footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition. To make the claim that the destruction of WTC 1, 2 & 7 were not also controlled demolitions then it requires a successful mathematical simulation or computer simulation based on the EMPIRICAL DATA (without distortion, deviation, or bullshit fictions) that can PROVE that there was enough energy for a gravity-driven collapse

Now considering this, there is only one conclusion - the WTC buildings were taken down by controlled demolitions.

You idiotic "Arabs Did It" lunatics are claiming that it's reasonable for THREE BUILDINGS to do on one day what no other steel-framed buildings have ever done before or since, worsened in extremity by the simple fact that NOBODY has been able mathematical simulate those collapses as being due the alleged "official cause". We're talking about PHYSICS.

(1) How likely is it that all supporting structures on a given floor will fail at exactly the same time?
(2) If all supporting structures on a given floor did not fail at the same time, would that portion of the building tip over or fall straight down into its own footprint?
(3) What is the likelihood that supporting structures on every floor would fail at exactly the same time, and that these failures would progress through every floor with perfect symmetry?


ON THE CELLPHONE CALLS
It is a FACT that it's impossible to make cellphone calls from passenger planes flying at cruising altitude six miles up and flying at over 450mph without an onboard cellular basestation (technology which wasn't available prior to 2004 and is still in testing stage), and it's a FACT that cellphone calls from a vehicle moving at over 450mph (even if successfully make the handshake when flying at low altitude) will only last a few seconds since there is no time for the hand-off; the call will ALWAYS drop out in just a few seconds - minutes long cellphone calls are IMPOSSIBLE.

NONE OF YOU IDIOTS HAS EVER PROVIDED A SCIENTIFIC STUDY SHOWING OTHERWISE!



Logic is on my side, simply because of this. All you have is faith-based excuses that ignore physics, science, hundreds of witnesses, videos, seismic data, times on atomic clocks, and contradictions in official reports. Lots of people ignore the contradictions in the Bible too, and that's the way you carry on about the "Official Conspiracy Theory". It doesn't matter apparently to you that something is OUTRIGHT IMPOSSIBLE, according to your faith-based argument, the Official View is always correct....even when the Officials have been caught out LYING on numerous occassions.

We don't all have to fall for the propaganda of warmongering governments that tell lies about WMDs in Iraq, try to cover up previous conspiracies like Iran-Contra, or Watergate, or use almost daily colour-coded terror alerts to frighten the public while engaging in illegal and unconstitutional phone tapping. Why should we trust a government that has so little respect for human rights that they operate secret torture prisons in other nations, and kidnap people (calling it "rendition") in violation of the laws of other nations including their own allies, as well as imprisoning innocent people for five years without a trial.

AND LESS PEOPLE BELIEVE THE USA GOVERNMENT LIES EVERYDAY....

RESULTS OF ONLINE POLLS ABOUT 9/11
http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/believe_conspiracy2.jpg
http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/gov_involved2.jpg
http://fawkesfiles.com/graphics/polls/polls_large/wisconson_teach2.jpg

 

[Lovelynice]

AND WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR YOU LOONIES TO ANSWER THESE!

I POSTED THIS BEFORE AND I'M STILL WAITING!
HURRY UP AND BACK YOUR SHIT, SHILLS
Because none of you shills have answered these previous questions (below) or provided anything to back what you claim

Show the plane that hit the pentagon.

Come on tinfoil hat wearers, you can do this, can't you?

There's a million dollar prize if you prove the WTC buildings weren't taken down by controlled demolitions too. Don't forget that.

Why won't you take the challenge?

I'm asking you to back your lies.

If you can't prove the WTC buildings went down with a gravity-driven collapse and not a controlled demolition, then you can't prove the Official Conspiracy Thesis for the simple reason that NOBODY, not NIST, not MIT and EAGAR and NOVA has been able to simulate the collapse of the buildings in the way that you shills claim that they went down.



Show me some "snapped" steel beams from other building collapses which match those of the WTC steel beams.


Picture of some unknown dude who none of the shills could prove was a hijacker.They can't prove he was.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6536/unknowndudeinairportld2.jpg


Where's the passport photo and/or other ID photo to compare the faces of the men alleged to be them, and their ID photos?

You can do this, or you can't.

If you can't, then those aren't them. They could be anybody.


The USA government got caught lying in this way before

The real Hanni Majour
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/hanjour1.jpg

The guy that the US government tried to claim was him
http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2004-07/13512460.jpg
I guess he must've had a head transplant. Not a very convincing image from a security camera either; there's no date or time. Every security camera image that I've ever seen had a date and time stamp.

and nine of the alleged hijackers are still alive!
http://www.welfarestate.com/911/




Dodging again.

Where's the passport photo and/or other ID photo to compare the faces of the men alleged to be them, and their ID photos

Otherwise you really are a fucking loser


Gringao counter this, and stop dodging;

"Cellphones can't make calls from passenger aircraft from the 5-6 miles up, while the plane is flying at 500mph. Expert opinion and scientific studies agrees with this, as has been cited repeatedly. That brings into the question the airfone calls, which could be dismissed since there are no records of them, and it is already widely known that the cellphone calls were faked."

If you can dispute it, then provide evidence. I believe that on other threads about phone calls none of you shills has been able to prove that cellphones can make calls under those conditions.

None of you have won that debate yet. I checked.

Also none of you shills has ever been able to answer this one;

EVERY OTHER OCCASSION both before and since Sept 11 2001, when steel-framed tower buildings collapsed down at near free fall speed into their footprint, it has been due to a controlled demolition.

Can you cite a single exception to this?

With a photo.

YOU LUNATICS ON THE GOVERNMENT SIDE HAVE NEVER BACKED YOUR BULLSHIT IN REGARDS TO ANY OF THE ABOVE!

Despite their earlier bullshit claims that it was "normal" for steel-framed buildings to collapse straight down into their own footprint (like WTC 7 does), yet not once have any of you been able to support your bullshit claims.

 

[Lovelynice]

Are all of these witnesses lying?

9/11 Survivor Describes Multiple Explosions

"There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. I was afraid to go down Church Street toward Broadway, but I had to do it. I ended up on Vesey Street. There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."

Source: "Teresa Veliz: A Prayer to Die Quickly and Painlessly," in September 11: An Oral History by Dean E. Murphy (Doubleday, 2002), pp 9-15. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/veliz-bombs.htm


9/11 hero, William Rodriguez, who was the last person out of the north tower, states that there was a massive explosion in the North Tower BEFORE the plane hit:
- "When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking

"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above... Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion.

"I know there were explosives placed below the trade center.

"I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can’t even say a word.

"I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.

"And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn’t have any answers."

Link to quotes:
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/artic...18131/28031.htm


Is this person lying as well?

Witness / 9-11 survivor:
"...and then all of a sudden it started like... it sounded like gunfire... you know, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang and then all of a sudden three big explosions."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.2.wmv

http://nandotimes.nandomedia.com/ips_rich_content


is this person lying too?

Witness / 9-11 survivor:
"I was about five blocks away when I heard explosions... three thuds and turned around to see the building that we just got out of... tip over and fall in on itself."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.1.wmv


Is this person lying too?

Street Reporter:
"45 minutes into the taping we were doing, there was an explosion. It was way up where the fire was and the whole building at that point bellied out in flames and everybody ran."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.2.wmv


Is this person lying as well?

MSNBC Reporter, Ann Thompson:
"At 10:30 I tried to leave the building, but as I got outside I heard a second explosion and another rumble and more smoke and more dust. I ran inside the building and the chandelier shook and again black smoke filled the air. Within another five minutes we were covered again with more soot and more dust. And then a fire marshal came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a third explosion this building might not last.."

Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.....explosions.wmv

 

[Cheyenne]

Lovelynice- another wacko, just what Lit needs.

 

[Spence99]

How does this one explain the independent camera crew in the the lobby of the towers with the Fire Department. They made a movie about that day. There were no explosions.

Only people and debris falling from the upper floors.

 

[bronzeage]

Lovelynice- another wacko, just what Lit needs.

You know, Bill Clinton carried on an affair with Jennifer Flowers for 3 years and not one person remembers seeing them together, not a single hotel receipt was ever found, not so much as a torn condom pack.

Bill could have pulled something like this off, but Bush would have screwed it up.

 

[Shagly]

The buildings went down like a controlled demolition, then there were the airborne toxins to worry about.

 

[Lovelynice]

...but Bush would have screwed it up.

Ever noticed that's you're only excuse? It's not even a good one.

GW Bush has all of his Daddies smart advisors. You forgot to mention that little detail. You're not exactly credible, neh?