For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[jason28053]

Reichy doesn't actually care for facts.

The Putin and 47 cocks in his mouth do all the talking

Watch the vid I posted

 

[ll74]

Watch the vid I posted

I love the bluntness of British media.

 

[Politruk]

Because Putin wants to make Russia a world power of the first rank once again, and the international community cannot afford to allow that.

This is the only reason any of this is happening. If Russia had a president reasonable enough to accept his country's reduced status, there would be no war. Russia has no reason to fear a situation in which all the countries on its western border are NATO members.

 

[jomar]

I respectfully disagree. Before the invasion first began, when Russian troops amass divisions along the Ukraine border the US and NATO should have shown solidarity at that time in history. Should have warned Putin there will not be another incursion into Ukraine or you risk war!!!. 6 months prior to the invasion NATO forces should have gone into full deployment mode. One aspect of the invasion was Zelensky wasn't allowed to target cities in Russia, his hands were tied. If a war is unavoidable then both sides need to suffer but as usual, just like the annexation of Crimea, the invasion of the Donbas region, the response was minimal by the West, typical show of weakness.

Hind sight and all that. Everyone not Putin was avoiding WW3 while incrementally supporting Ukraine. How much and when can now be argued, but at the time it was a tightrope.

Ya wonder why the outrage today? Because the west failed to stand in solidarity way back when, Putin saw the weakness and moved into Ukraine. Putin did not fear NATO. Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan sent a message to Putin that we didn't have the intestinal fortitude for another conflict.

Nonsense

Trump is about to get the USA cut out from......

• the rare earth deal with ukraine
• trade with europe
• nato
• european bases
• rebuilding in ukraine contracts
• middle east arms sales
• asian arms sales
• aussie arms sales
• future F35 sales
• 800+ billion in future arms sales to the EU

thats well over 1 million jobs...

All to save about 10 billion in scrap metal we have sitting in the desert and pull Putin's bacon out of the fire...

but winning. Thats some real 4D chess moves right there..

The art of the deal and a master negotiator

 

[ll74]

47's behavior is disgusting and dishonorable.

Russia invaded Ukraine.
Putin is a dictator.
Russia is our adversary.

Ukraine is defending its people from an invading force.
Zelensky is the democratically elected President.
Ukraine is our ally.

 

[jomar]

He isn't taking Putin's side you idiot, He's hammering out a deal to stop a continuing slaughter that you seem to be entirely invested in.

trump couldn’t care less about any slaughter. He is so unerringly a transactional shark he smells blood in the Ukrainian water and pushed for an exceedingly unfair proposal giving Zelensky an hour to sign. Then he holds peace negotiations without including Ukraine, like authoritarian strongmen divvying up the spoils.

 

[Politruk]

Don't come back until you can show me a public statement by Putin expressing that goal. Just one will do.

You started this thread by attributing American support for Ukraine to Biden family business interests. You are an idiot. What do you know about anything?!

 

[jomar]

The Ukrainian people haven't spoken on the subject. Zelensky hasn't allowed an election since his term expired on May 20, 2024. He is a dictator at this point with poor poll numbers.

No, that’s trump lies. Zelensky’s numbers are fine and by Ukrainian law elections can’t be held during wartime. Trump is selling lies as usual.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Nice!

 

[ChloeTzang]

A little fact sheet to help the ignorant

 

[Politruk]

A little fact sheet to help the ignorant

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And American support for Ukraine has nothing to do with Biden family business interests.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Macron's reaction is priceless. He knows trump is a clown and has made him look like one a few times now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Global_News_Hub/comments/1iya6rx/reporter_asking_trump_if_he_would_call_putin_a

 

[ChloeTzang]

And American support for Ukraine has nothing to do with Biden family business interests.

Let's just say that's past history and the present is more important than bickering about what's passed. You know you and I disagree on Biden, but I will say, whatever his faults, and they were many, the Biden Administration in general supported Ukraine, except where it didn't suit them. Biden's done, gone and not even being talked about. Let's just put the old clown aside.

What's more important right now is what the current Trump Administration is doing or not doing.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Why Putin is finally negotiating​

Moscow could soon struggle to finance the war, and fiscal breathing room may well be what the Russian leader’s looking for. Fiscally speaking, Russia is running out of time. The Kremlin has no plan D to finance its budget deficit, raising questions about its ability to fund the war. From this perspective, fiscal breathing room could well be what Putin is really looking for in his talks with the U.S., whether through sanctions relief (for instance, relaxing U.S. restrictions on Russia’s ability to place external debt) or a pause in the conflict (which would allow Moscow to replenish its coffers via a reduction in defense spending).

Back in September 2024, Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine’s defense intelligence chief, predicted that mired in economic problems, Moscow would try to force an end to the war in 2025. These words may now be proving prescient. The reason Putin might finally be ready to negotiate seems to be remarkably simple: He wants to avoid a humiliating bankruptcy.

In other words, a ceasefire plays right into Russia's hands and achieve's nothing except a pause before a renewed Russian attack. Ditto amy "peace" agreement. It just allows an interlude before the next Russian offensive.

The only thing that will bring this war to an end is the collapse and disintegration of Russia and the seperation of Muscovy from it's colonial empire, something that's 60 years overdue.

https://www.politico.eu/article/vla...d-trump-moscow-ukraine-gdp-finance-war-banks/

 

[ll74]

Why Putin is finally negotiating​

Moscow could soon struggle to finance the war, and fiscal breathing room may well be what the Russian leader’s looking for. Fiscally speaking, Russia is running out of time. The Kremlin has no plan D to finance its budget deficit, raising questions about its ability to fund the war. From this perspective, fiscal breathing room could well be what Putin is really looking for in his talks with the U.S., whether through sanctions relief (for instance, relaxing U.S. restrictions on Russia’s ability to place external debt) or a pause in the conflict (which would allow Moscow to replenish its coffers via a reduction in defense spending).

Back in September 2024, Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine’s defense intelligence chief, predicted that mired in economic problems, Moscow would try to force an end to the war in 2025. These words may now be proving prescient. The reason Putin might finally be ready to negotiate seems to be remarkably simple: He wants to avoid a humiliating bankruptcy.

In other words, a ceasefire plays right into Russia's hands and achieve's nothing except a pause before a renewed Russian attack. Ditto amy "peace" agreement. It just allows an interlude before the next Russian offensive.

The only thing that will bring this war to an end is the collapse and disintegration of Russia and the seperation of Muscovy from it's colonial empire, something that's 60 years overdue.

https://www.politico.eu/article/vla...d-trump-moscow-ukraine-gdp-finance-war-banks/

I agree that Putin is after sanction relief.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ll74]

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I don't think they can add Ukraine to NATO without US involvement.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I don't think they can add Ukraine to NATO without US involvement.

LOL. If they kicked the US out they could....I can't see that quite yet tho

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I don't think they can add Ukraine to NATO without US involvement.

NATO requires unanimous consent of existing members for a new member to join. I'm not sure what the mechanism is for a member to leave or be "kicked" out? Just saying you are may be all that is needed?

 

[ChloeTzang]

LOL. I guess the ceasefire is off the table then.....

 

[Politruk]

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The only thing that will bring this war to an end is the collapse and disintegration of Russia and the seperation of Muscovy from it's colonial empire, something that's 60 years overdue.

There are not any secession movements, that I've heard of, for an independent Novgorod or whatever.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Reality is sinking in......“You have to understand, [Putin] had no intention, in my opinion, of settling this war,” he (Trump) said. “I think he wanted the whole thing.”

Says ‘Can’t Guarantee’ Deal to End War in Ukraine

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47898

 

[ChloeTzang]

There are not any secession movements, that I've heard of, for an independent Novgorod or whatever.

Look east to all of Siberia and the Caucasus. Russia is one of the world's three remaining colonial empires - the other two are China and Indoneasia.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine to maintain large army regardless of how war ends — Zelenskyy​

Another show-stopper for Putin.

To ensure its security, Ukraine will have to maintain a large military even after the current war with Russia ends, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Feb. 26. According to the president, this is the only certain way to guarantee the nation’s sovereignty. “Regardless of what happens, we do not trust the Russians' claim that they seek peace,” said Zelenskyy. “We believe in our army, which will be one of the main security guarantees. Therefore, in any case, I will maintain the maximum number of troops needed for Ukraine to defend its interests.”

According to Zelenskyy’s previous assessments, it would take 100,000 peacekeepers to deter Moscow from resuming hostilities in the future. This is in addition to a million-strong armed forces fully equipped and trained with modern weapons and firepower. Putin wants to reduce the SZU to 50,000 so he can walk in for Round Three. No compromises there because this is another thing Ukraine won't back down on.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukrain...dless-of-how-war-ends-zelenskyy-50493456.html

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine Hits Russian Oil Refineries, Air Defenses in Mass Drone Air Raids​

Ukraine on Wednesday launched mass kamikaze drone attacks at oil refineries, port facilities, and air defense installations in the occupied Crimea Peninsula and inside the Russian mainland, scoring hits and setting fires at several locations. Low-flying aircraft waves crossing the Black Sea in groups of five to ten appeared to focus on Russia’s western Black Sea shore and Krasnodar region. Seaport infrastructure near the Kerch Strait port of Temryuk, an oil refinery and storage tanks adjacent to the Russian seaside city of Anapa, and a major fuel production and storage site near the town of Tuapse were hit. Both oil refineries are owned and operated by Rosneft, a state-run giant Russian energy conglomerate. Explosions possibly linked to Ukrainian strike aircraft were reported in the occupied Crimea peninsula near Sevastopol, and inland near the military airfields Saki and Krasnohvardiiske.

A surge of NATO reconnaissance sorties monitoring Crimea and the Black Sea preceded the strikes by Kyiv. Heavy – possibly the most concentrated to date – NATO air surveillance patrols preceded the long-range drone swarms, but there is no confirmation of coordination with the Ukrainian strike.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47894