For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ll74]

Their public position is clear: they have no intention of using nuclear weapons unless faced with a direct, existential threat to their homeland.

Youve stated, in this thread, that the reasoning for the Ukranian war was because of NATO's existential thread to Russia.

Let’s be honest, there is nothing in Ukraine worth sacrificing American lives or property for. Now flip the scenario. Imagine a foreign power placing military forces in Mexico or Cuba. We’ve been down that road before, and we didn’t tolerate it. So why should we expect Russia to react any differently to NATO or U.S. forces on its southern border? This isn’t strategy; it’s recklessness. It’s ignorant people playing with matches, while sitting on a powder keg.

Their invasion has directly resulted in an expansion of NATO memberships.

 

[Rightguide]

Youve stated, in this thread, that the reasoning for the Ukranian war was because of NATO's existential thread to Russia.

I've not stated that NATO itself is an existential threat. I have said that putting NATO troops in Ukraine would probably be seen as such a threat. The US and Western Europe governments stating that the weapons they supply to Ukraine can now be used against the Russian people "might" be considered an existential threat to the Russian homeland. It implies co-belligerency. Russia could be within its rights under the laws of war to destroy those systems in their country of origin or at any point along their logistical trail.

Their invasion has directly resulted in an expansion of NATO memberships.

Ukraine is not, and will not be, a NATO member. There are now over thirty member countries, all of which have different political objectives and foreign policy motives. It will be like herding cats in order to get them all lined up to oppose or to receive a nuclear response from Russia.

 

[ll74]

I've not stated that NATO itself is an existential threat. I have said that putting NATO troops in Ukraine would probably be seen as such a threat.

Lol
Of course

The US and Western Europe governments stating that the weapons they supply to Ukraine can now be used against the Russian people "might" be considered an existential threat to the Russian homeland.

That was the last red line. The one after allowing NATO supply aircraft to be used.

It implies co-belligerency. Russia could be within its rights under the laws of war to destroy those systems in their country of origin or at any point along their logistical trail.

Lol

Ukraine is not, and will not be, a NATO member.

That remains to be seen.

There are now over thirty member countries, all of which have different political objectives and foreign policy motives. It will be like herding cats in order to get them all lined up to oppose or to receive a nuclear response from Russia.

No one is afraid of a nuclear strike anymore. He's run that threat out.

youre the only one who continues to believe it..... Multiple times

 

[dmallord]

The key to understanding the Russians is their history and their stated definition of what an "existential threat" is. Our leftist friends here simply don't get it. The list of brutal Russian victories is long: Golden Horde (Mongols), Sweden, Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, Napoleon’s France, Ottoman Empire, Persian Empire (Qajar Iran), Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan (in Manchuria), Hungarian Revolutionaries (1956), Czechoslovak Reformists (1968), Chechen Separatists, Georgian Military (2008), Crimean Khanate. They are an old-world people, with deep roots in an ancient battlefield. War is in their blood, fighting is not just a necessity, but a tradition. Losses are a lesser concern; they endure, absorb, and adapt. And when they retreat, it is rarely in defeat. Ask Napoleon at the gates of Moscow, or Hitler in the snows of Stalingrad, and they might whisper from the grave: "The chase was the easy part."

Look, as a vet who’s seen the brutal face of war, I gotta say this reads like a recycled internet post or AI text—not your usual style. It’s too polished and stuffed with history lessons to be off the cuff. If it’s yours, fine—own it. If not, some credit would be fair.

Now, about the content. Sure, Russia’s got a long list of battles won, but don’t romanticize it like it’s some proud warrior code. War isn’t a tradition to be proud of—it’s a hell no one wants to relive. Saying “war is in their blood” sounds more like an excuse to justify aggression than real understanding.

I’ve seen what war really means—loss, pain, and scars that last a lifetime. Russia’s actions today come from fear, control, and hard politics, not some ancient destiny. To get it right, you’ve gotta look past the fairy tales and face the facts head-on.

Let’s talk honestly, not borrow borrowed lines that make tough realities sound poetic.

 

[Celand]

Trump gone completely crazy , what a failure !

Nobody gets the fact that Russia every two or three generations needs a " Great Patriotic War" and we are heading there, except there will NOT be much left from humanity when its over.

 

[ishtat]

I doubt Putin will use nuclear weapons. It would give Emperor Xi effective permission (excuse) to stomp all over the Russian "colonies" in East Asia. Remember that in the last 80 years, France, UK, Portugal, Spain, USA, Netherlands and Germany have all given up their colonial possessions and treaty ports in Eastern Asia. Only one country has refused - Russia. Every Chinese government since Sun Yat Sen in 1912 has demanded their return. The reckoning of that account is overdue. It might be good strategic policy for the West particularly the USA to encourage Chinese ambitions in that region.

 

[Lance_Castro]

I just want the war to escalate to the point where Putin releases The Pee Tape.

Is that too much to ask?

 

[Rightguide]

Lol
Of course


That was the last red line. The one after allowing NATO supply aircraft to be used.

In 2024 Putin widened 2020 meaning of what would be considered an existential threat:

Aggression against Russia or its ally Belarus using conventional weapons that create a critical threat to their sovereignty or territorial integrity.
Aggression by a non-nuclear state supported by a nuclear state, considered as a joint attack.
Massive aerospace attacks involving strategic and tactical aircraft, cruise missiles, or unmanned systems crossing Russia's borders.

But if you think that no amount of aggression by the West will bring us any harm, go right ahead and start banging that war drum. Perhaps you'd like to suit up and run over and help out.

 

[ll74]

In 2024 Putin widened 2020 meaning of what would be considered an existential threat:

Aggression against Russia or its ally Belarus using conventional weapons that create a critical threat to their sovereignty or territorial integrity.
Aggression by a non-nuclear state supported by a nuclear state, considered as a joint attack.
Massive aerospace attacks involving strategic and tactical aircraft, cruise missiles, or unmanned systems crossing Russia's borders.

But if you think that no amount of aggression by the West will bring us any harm, go right ahead and start banging that war drum. Perhaps you'd like to suit up and run over and help out.

Here's my challenge to you - reread this entire thread and tell me this same shit has not been brought up multiple times here.

You can't because you have done so multiple times.

 

[DanOkeffie]

James Comer: FBI Doc Alleges ‘Business Person from Ukraine’ Sent ‘Substantial Bribe’ to VP Biden​

WENDELL HUSEBØ7 Jun 2023

The FBI’s informant file of a $5 million bribery scheme allegedly linked to President Joe Biden concerns the family’s business deals in Ukraine, House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer (R-KY) revealed Monday.

In May, Comer and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) made bombshell claims after reviewing an FBI FD-1023 form that documented the informant’s allegations of an alleged bribery scheme involving an exchange of money for policy decisions between now-President Joe Biden and a foreign national. Comer disclosed the informant tip is dated June 30, 2020.

“Yes, it is Ukraine,” Comer told The Just the News. “This form 1023 involves a business person from Ukraine, who allegedly sent a bribe, a substantial bribe to then Vice President Joe Biden.”

The Biden family frequently visited Ukraine for its respective business. Then-Vice President Joe Biden served as the Obama administration’s Ukrainian “point person” on U.S. foreign policy. He visited Ukraine six times while serving as vice president.

More here: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...m-ukraine-sent-substantial-bribe-to-vp-biden/

I said long ago there is good reason to believe that Joe Biden has been compromised by Ukraine and other countries.

Biden's family comes from the Enron school of ethics. They are beyond criminal as they are just pure evil. I'm praying Trump puts that klan in prison or into a villa in Gaza and let Israel finish them

 

[Rightguide]

Here's my challenge to you - reread this entire thread and tell me this same shit has not been brought up multiple times here.

You can't because you have done so multiple times.

It's my thread. I don't need to re-read it, you do. Keep building your wall. Since dialogue requires two sides, and you’ve chosen a monologue, I'm walking around it.

 

[ll74]

It's my thread. I don't need to re-read it, you do. Keep building your wall. Since dialogue requires two sides, and you’ve chosen a monologue, I'm walking around it.

So you don't want to admit that you've been fucking doing this since the invasion of Ukraine.

Thanks for confirming.

I've been calling you out for it from the start of this thread as well.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[Rightguide]

So you don't want to admit that you've been fucking doing this since the invasion of Ukraine.

Thanks for confirming.

I've been calling you out for it from the start of this thread as well.

You haven’t called me out, you’ve repeated slogans. Through the entire Biden era, you clung to the official narrative like a lifeline, ignoring the obvious: Ukraine was never going to win this war. That was clear from the beginning, and now it’s being written in blood across the battlefield. But here’s the part you still won’t admit, while you were busy defending a doomed fantasy, the world inched closer to catastrophe. We’re not just watching a failed proxy war. We’re watching the prelude to something far worse. Keep pretending if you want, but we could be staring into the abyss of World War III.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924607191819952529

 

[Baztrachian]

I doubt Putin will use nuclear weapons.

I doubt that Putin has nuclear weapons.

 

[Baztrachian]

Ukraine was never going to win this war.

Ukraine doesn't have to win the war. They need to stop Russia from winning the war and so far they're doing pretty fucking great in that regard.

 

[Baztrachian]

It looks like that Putin is preparing for war with NATO.

Russia is building up military forces near the border with Finland - constructing bases, bunkers, training grounds, and other military infrastructure in the area.

1/n pic.twitter.com/v3GUx4Zd50— Roman Sheremeta (@rshereme) May 19, 2025

The Finns refer to such things as 'kohde'.

 

[Rightguide]

Ukraine doesn't have to win the war. They need to stop Russia from winning the war and so far they're doing pretty fucking great in that regard.

The facts on the ground fail to support that.

 

[Baztrachian]

The facts on the ground fail to support that.

Remind when exactly the Russians seized Kyiv and Odessa?

 

[Rightguide]

Remind when exactly the Russians seized Kyiv and Odessa?

1654 and 1794 respectively. It may happen again in the near future

 

[Baztrachian]

1654 and 1794 respectively. It may happen again in the near future

If Russia was going to have conquered Ukraine then their window of opportunity to do so was in the first ten days of the SMO.

And they botched it. Badly.

Frigging logistics for that op were all for shit. The Russian Army expected to drive unopposed all the way to Poland and instead they got their asses SLAUGHTERED outside of Kyiv when they ran out of gas.

Now it's a war of attrition and Russia is losing which is evidenced by Putin having to buy North Korean, Chinese, and even Iranian mercenaries.

Plus Putin managed to piss off his BFF Donald Trump who sided with the Europeans in removing all of the restrictions on the Ukrainians for using Western weapons for long range attacks on Russian targets.

Give it a few days and I expect we'll see Ukrainian strikes on Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Those cocksuckers in Moscow deserve to suffer and I hope they do.

 

[ll74]

You haven’t called me out,

Truth

you’ve repeated slogans.

You actually have repeated slogans. I've repeated objective facts

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Through the entire Biden era, you clung to the official narrative like a lifeline, ignoring the obvious: Ukraine was never going to win this war. That was clear from the beginning, and now it’s being written in blood across the battlefield. But here’s the part you still won’t admit, while you were busy defending a doomed fantasy, the world inched closer to catastrophe. We’re not just watching a failed proxy war. We’re watching the prelude to something far worse. Keep pretending if you want, but we could be staring into the abyss of World War III.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924607191819952529

We aren't doing anything. Except observing the reality of a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

You have repeated Putin's talking points.

I have repeated objective facts of what is happening.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Russia has made no appreciable gains in the last 2 years. A field here, a field there. The ZSU is fighting reasonable intelligently, and trading ground for dead Russians. Yes, the ZSU makes mistakes, what Army doesn't, byt they are improving and gaining strength with every month. Their Brigades are being equipped and strengthened - BTR-4's for example, are equippig roughly another Brigade every two months. Leopards from Germany are trickling in, along with Marders. M113's - Canada handed ove around 100 that need rebuilding but Ukraine can handle that. Now 400 more M113's from Italy, and who knows what else. More F16's. More artillery. More battle taxis. The big gap is air defence against ballistic missles, but in the end those are terror weapons aimed largely at civilians, which does nothing to win the war for Putin - and in point of fact, better they hit civilian than military targets.

Ukraine is consistenty targeting Russian infrastructure as well as military targets. The drone line is gaining strength, there are ZSU reserve brigades equipping and training....the ZSU will launch some sort of counter offensive this summer, likely after Putin has drained his reserves dry in meat attacks....and then we will see. This war will go into 2026 for sure.

 

[ChloeTzang]

OMFG, he really DID say it. He openly ADMITTED to protecting Russia,

Beyond disgusting. Pure evil.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine...really-bad-things-during-ukraine-peace-talks/

 

[Lazaran]

OMFG, he really DID say it. He openly ADMITTED to protecting Russia,

Beyond disgusting. Pure evil.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine...really-bad-things-during-ukraine-peace-talks/
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THAT ^ is grounds for immediate impeachment, trial for treason, and public execution.

TRAITOR TRUMP.





We. Told. Them. So.