For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[Rightguide]

This will happen in 2026.

The war will be won when Ukraine is ceded Rostov and the Kuban by Russia.

Pipe dreams, Chloe.

 

[ChloeTzang]

• The SSU reported that the explosives with a power of 1,100 kg in TNT equivalent caused significant structural damage at the seabed level. As a result of the explosion, the bridge is now in a critical condition.

 

[ll74]

Pipe dreams, Chloe.

You shouldn't be so forward about your pipe.

 

[Rightguide]

If peace talks were imminent, and if Trump was serious about ending the war, then launching deep strikes against strategic Russian targets the day before negotiations would be wildly counterproductive. It would enrage Moscow and shift Putin toward hardliners, undermine Trump’s image as a “great negotiator,” signal to the world that the U.S. or NATO doesn’t want peace, so it seems the timing is either a catastrophic miscalculation, or a deliberate provocation to derail diplomacy.

Suppose Trump was genuinely trying to engineer peace and did not authorize this. In that case, I think this might very well have been a purposeful act of intelligence overreach engineered by the CIA and the MI6, a factional act to blow up the table before the cards were dealt. It has all the hallmarks of a deep state veto on de-escalation. The absence of an official statement by Donald Trump on the attack is telling. So far the White House has been silent.

 

[ChloeTzang]

If peace talks were imminent, and if Trump was serious about ending the war, then launching deep strikes against strategic Russian targets the day before negotiations would be wildly counterproductive. It would enrage Moscow and shift Putin toward hardliners, undermine Trump’s image as a “great negotiator,” signal to the world that the U.S. or NATO doesn’t want peace, so it seems the timing is either a catastrophic miscalculation, or a deliberate provocation to derail diplomacy.

Suppose Trump was genuinely trying to engineer peace and did not authorize this. In that case, I think this might very well have been a purposeful act of intelligence overreach engineered by the CIA and the MI6, a factional act to blow up the table before the cards were dealt. It has all the hallmarks of a deep state veto on de-escalation. The absence of an official statement by Donald Trump on the attack is telling. So far the White House has been silent.

There is no attempt to genuinely engineer "peace." Trump hates Ukraine and Zelensky and has been doing his best to force Ukraine to capitulate to a genocidal maniac.

As for enraging Putin, who, literally, gives a fuck. Putin can eat shit and die. Along with the Russian Federation. There are no "imminent peace talks." Russia is merely reiterating it's demands for Ukrainian capitulation and Trump is supporting Putin. If we're talking counterproductive, lets, for instance, look at Russian missile attacks on Ukrainian civilians, or MRLS attacks on Ukrinaian civilians in Sumy, or Russian execution of POW's. Let's talk about Trump not SELLING Ukraine Patriots to defend its civilians from Russian mass murder. Let's look at Trump not appltying sanctions against a genocidal regime. Let's talk about Trumps delusions about Ukraone and his giving away every negotiating point before negotiations start.

Nah, Putin and Russia are going down and the Kerch Bridge attack today is welcome news. Perhaos we should have another conversation in a couple of months about cards and who holds them.

 

[Baztrachian]

If peace talks were imminent, and if Trump was serious about ending the war, then launching deep strikes against strategic Russian targets the day before negotiations would be wildly counterproductive. It would enrage Moscow and shift Putin toward hardliners, undermine Trump’s image as a “great negotiator,” signal to the world that the U.S. or NATO doesn’t want peace, so it seems the timing is either a catastrophic miscalculation, or a deliberate provocation to derail diplomacy.

Suppose Trump was genuinely trying to engineer peace and did not authorize this. In that case, I think this might very well have been a purposeful act of intelligence overreach engineered by the CIA and the MI6, a factional act to blow up the table before the cards were dealt. It has all the hallmarks of a deep state veto on de-escalation. The absence of an official statement by Donald Trump on the attack is telling. So far the White House has been silent.

Everything I've been hearing so far says that Ukraine did not let the US know about this operation because they frankly did not trust the US not to tip off the Russians ahead of time.

I would tend to agree with this assessment given that Trump et al have been consistently sympathetic to Russia.

 

[Rightguide]

Everything I've been hearing so far says that Ukraine did not let the US know about this operation because they frankly did not trust the US not to tip off the Russians ahead of time.

I would tend to agree with this assessment given that Trump et al have been consistently sympathetic to Russia.

Trump is not sympathetic to the Russians. He just knows that Ukraine cannot win this war and the US can no longer fund it. He wants to stop the war, that is all. He also knows that you cannot get to the peace table if escalatory strikes of major consequence are planned to prevent those talks. I think, at this point, we might just walk away. As I said before, this war will be settled on the battlefield. At this point, the Russians have every legal right to move from a "special military operation" to a declaration of war and flatten Kiev.

 

[Baztrachian]

Pipe dreams, Chloe.

Wars and Fortune are fickle things.

Back in February 2022 I expected the Russians to roll over the Ukrainians in maybe ten days. And then the Ukrainians surprised me by fighting back and the Russians also surprised me with their absolutely shitty execution of logistics.

The fact that the Russian supply chain was for shit back then is telling. They really did not expect to wage a prolonged war. They saw this as a mere operation and when it rapidly turned into a war the Russians were not at all prepared to wage war.

Now in 2025 the Russian narrative is a little schizophrenic.

The old line of demanding the capitulation of Ukraine persists but something new started being bandied about the past few months:

Russia wants a buffer zone.

Simply saying this is an acknowledgment by the Russians that they cannot conquer Ukraine.

But it also puts the concept of a buffer zone on the table for a future settlement.

And if Ukraine can keep pulling magic tricks to annihilate Russia's most critical military equipment then it is within the realm of possibility that a few more such hat tricks by the Ukrainians will allow them to 1) secure a buffer zone against the Russian invaders and 2) to demand the Russians acquiesce to the buffer zone as a condition of peace.

Aggressors have been undone by their actions in the past.

Both Germany and Japan were on the top of the world in January 1942 and in three years they were getting their asses kicked by their former victims.

The same can happen to Russia. The same is happening to Russia.

 

[Politruk]

deep state

You are an idiot.

 

[LeahWill]

Trump is not sympathetic to the Russians. He just knows that Ukraine cannot win this war and the US can no longer fund it. He wants to stop the war, that is all. He also knows that you cannot get to the peace table if escalatory strikes of major consequence are planned to prevent those talks. I think, at this point, we might just walk away. As I said before, this war will be settled on the battlefield. At this point, the Russians have every legal right to move from a "special military operation" to a declaration of war and flatten Kiev.

"For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine"​

I am just wondering why there might be so many Might Be's in that sentence?

 

[Baztrachian]

At this point, the Russians have every legal right to move from a "special military operation" to a declaration of war and flatten Kiev.

I assume you believe that at a certain point rapists have a right to kill their victims if their victims fight back?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump is not sympathetic to the Russians. He just knows that Ukraine cannot win this war and the US can no longer fund it. He wants to stop the war, that is all. He also knows that you cannot get to the peace table if escalatory strikes of major consequence are planned to prevent those talks. I think, at this point, we might just walk away. As I said before, this war will be settled on the battlefield. At this point, the Russians have every legal right to move from a "special military operation" to a declaration of war and flatten Kiev.

He has a preconcieved notion that Ukraine cannot win and he is doing his best to ensure this comes about. He is in NO way sympatheic to Ukraine and has actively backstabbed them and hindered their ability to defend himself with out going rar enough to provoe outright repudiation by the GOP politicians who are treading a fine line between MAGA supporters and the majprity of Americans, who support aiding Ukraine.

Trump's attempts to force peace are simply counter productive. Everything he says simply encourages Putin, and he's simply to full of himself to realize it. OR he is consciously doing his best t assist Putin, which on appearances, is far more likely. Anyhow, if he was at al concerned about escalatory strikes, he would have hammered Putin over his missile attacks. As it is, he did nothing, so Ukraines responded appropriately. Likewise over Crimea - Trump has tried to give Crimea to Russia. Ukraine is demonstrating that is NOT on the table, and Ukraine is also demonstrating they DO hold the cards, not Trump, who has made himself superflouous at this point. In not providing military aid to Ukraine, he has removed most of the leverage he had, and US intelligence is becoming less necessary after that little demonstration over Kursk warned Ukraine that the USA is no longer anything but an ally of convenience. Another Trump accomplishment.

At this point, Ukraine is simply humoring Trump in order to keep US intelligence flowing for as long as possible.

But yes, I agree. This war WILL be settled on the battlefield and Russian Army will be annihilated in the end, and the Russian Federation will disintegrate - a good thing, altho the USA desperately does not want this becaue at that point Siberia will end up being more or less taken over by China and there go all Trump's fictional trade deals.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Turns out Ukraine nailed TWO A50 AWAC's aircraft. Irreplaceable.

 

[ll74]

If peace talks were imminent, and if Trump was serious about ending the war, then launching deep strikes against strategic Russian targets the day before negotiations would be wildly counterproductive.

Yes, nobody thinks Trump is serious.
Good catch

That happens when you threaten shit and then back off on your threats consistently

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Over 4 months!!!!!! They spent 4 months attaching explosives!!!!!!! Only the first has gone off? Rotflmao.

 

[ChloeTzang]

You know, this and the Operation Spiderweb attack are not tactical. These are strategic hits to the heart of Russia. The frontline is frozen. Russian infrastructure is crumbling. Russia industries are being taken out one by one. Russia may make minor tactical gains on the front in return for huge lossses, but they cannot win, and after this summer offensive, such as it is, they will be on the backfoot and reacting to Ukraine.

Ukraine now has the strategic initiative.

 

[Baztrachian]

Lots of chatter that the Russians may have also lost one or more nuclear submarines in an explosion at Severmorsk Naval Base.

The Russians are calling this a maintenance accident and other analysts are noting that the explosion took place on Sunday, June 1st when no maintenance crews are working.

It is possibly yet another Ukrainian action.

 

[Lazaran]

Everything I've been hearing so far says that Ukraine did not let the US know about this operation because they frankly did not trust the US not to tip off the Russians ahead of time.

I would tend to agree with this assessment given that Trump et al have been consistently colluding / coordinating with Russia.

FIFY

Yw.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Lazaran]

Ukraine cannot sustain this type of attack. In order to impact the Russian decision to head for the peace negotiations Ukraine would need to have the capacity to sustain these types of attacks, one and done doesn't cut it.

You know, this and the Operation Spiderweb attack are not tactical. These are strategic hits to the heart of Russia. The frontline is frozen. Russian infrastructure is crumbling. Russia industries are being taken out one by one. Russia may make minor tactical gains on the front in return for huge lossses, but they cannot win, and after this summer offensive, such as it is, they will be on the backfoot and reacting to Ukraine.

Ukraine now has the strategic initiative.

Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[Baztrachian]

FIFY

Yw.



We. Told. Them. So.

I would like to say you're wrong but at this point I have my doubts.

It is indeed arguable that the State Department has been sympathetic to the Russians (as they have been for ninety years now) but I would not go so far as to say they're colluding. There are simply too many people in the State Department who'd blow the whistle and run to the media with this if it were the case.

Coordinating is pretty clear and this can be done without any communication between Russia and the US.

Trump's repeated insistence that Ukraine started the war is indicative of coordination since he's parroting the Russian casus belli.

 

[Politruk]

It is indeed arguable that the State Department has been sympathetic to the Russians (as they have been for ninety years now)

??????

 

[Rightguide]

He has a preconcieved notion that Ukraine cannot win and he is doing his best to ensure this comes about. He is in NO way sympatheic to Ukraine and has actively backstabbed them and hindered their ability to defend himself with out going rar enough to provoe outright repudiation by the GOP politicians who are treading a fine line between MAGA supporters and the majprity of Americans, who support aiding Ukraine.

Trump's attempts to force peace are simply counter productive. Everything he says simply encourages Putin, and he's simply to full of himself to realize it. OR he is consciously doing his best t assist Putin, which on appearances, is far more likely. Anyhow, if he was at al concerned about escalatory strikes, he would have hammered Putin over his missile attacks. As it is, he did nothing, so Ukraines responded appropriately. Likewise over Crimea - Trump has tried to give Crimea to Russia. Ukraine is demonstrating that is NOT on the table, and Ukraine is also demonstrating they DO hold the cards, not Trump, who has made himself superflouous at this point. In not providing military aid to Ukraine, he has removed most of the leverage he had, and US intelligence is becoming less necessary after that little demonstration over Kursk warned Ukraine that the USA is no longer anything but an ally of convenience. Another Trump accomplishment.

At this point, Ukraine is simply humoring Trump in order to keep US intelligence flowing for as long as possible.

But yes, I agree. This war WILL be settled on the battlefield and Russian Army will be annihilated in the end, and the Russian Federation will disintegrate - a good thing, altho the USA desperately does not want this becaue at that point Siberia will end up being more or less taken over by China and there go all Trump's fictional trade deals.

Pipe dreams.