For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Baztrachian]

??????

Yeah, it's not really any great secret that since the 1930's the US State Department has been sympathetic to Russia/USSR. Wiki discusses it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_espionage_in_the_United_States#:~:text=The records contained further evidence,a senior State Department official.

In 1993, experts from the Library of Congress traveled to Moscow to copy previously secret archives of Communist Party USA (CPUSA) records, sent to the Soviet Union for safekeeping by party organizers. The records provide an irrefutable record of Soviet intelligence and cooperation provided by those in the radical left in the United States from the 1920s through the 1940s. Some documents revealed that the CPUSA was actively involved in secretly recruiting party members from African-American groups and rural farm workers. The records contained further evidence that Soviet sympathizers had indeed infiltrated the State Department, beginning in the 1930s. Included were letters from two U.S. ambassadors in Europe to President Franklin D. Roosevelt and a senior State Department official. Thanks to an official in the State department sympathetic to the Party, the confidential correspondence, concerning political and economic matters in Europe, ended up in the hands of Soviet intelligence.[20]

 

[Rightguide]

I assume you believe that at a certain point rapists have a right to kill their victims if their victims fight back?

That’s a cheap and disgusting analogy, and worse, it betrays a total lack of seriousness about the stakes involved. We’re talking about deep strikes on strategic nuclear infrastructure in a nuclear-armed superpower, not some heroic fantasy of resistance. This happened the day before peace talks, and it’s not even clear the U.S. President authorized it. If you think that launching unauthorized escalatory attacks on Russia’s strategic assets won’t provoke a response, you’re playing with fire in a powder room.

If Russia decides to respond by bombing Kyiv, or worse, it won’t be because it’s a "rapist angry at a victim fighting back." It’ll be because someone sabotaged a diplomatic off-ramp, forced their hand, and pushed this war into an uncontrollable phase. You’re not making a moral point. You’re just romanticizing reckless escalation under the guise of justice.

This isn’t a Marvel movie. There are no heroes here, just consequences. And if you can't tell the difference between fighting for freedom and blowing up the peace table, then maybe you’re the one who's lost the plot.

 

[Baztrachian]

That’s a cheap and disgusting analogy, and worse, it betrays a total lack of seriousness about the stakes involved. We’re talking about deep strikes on strategic nuclear infrastructure in a nuclear-armed superpower, not some heroic fantasy of resistance. This happened the day before peace talks, and it’s not even clear the U.S. President authorized it. If you think that launching unauthorized escalatory attacks on Russia’s strategic assets won’t provoke a response, you’re playing with fire in a powder room.

If Russia decides to respond by bombing Kyiv, or worse, it won’t be because it’s a "rapist angry at a victim fighting back." It’ll be because someone sabotaged a diplomatic off-ramp, forced their hand, and pushed this war into an uncontrollable phase. You’re not making a moral point. You’re just romanticizing reckless escalation under the guise of justice.

This isn’t a Marvel movie. There are no heroes here, just consequences. And if you can't tell the difference between fighting for freedom and blowing up the peace table, then maybe you’re the one who's lost the plot.

First, fuck Russia. Those fucking cunts started the war and now that the war has come home to Russia those fucking cunts are crying that it's unfair?

Fuck them!

And no, it is not a cheap analogy because the goddamned Russians are notorious for raping women. Shit, the Russian troops in Belgorod were getting called out for raping Russian women! Fucking monsters.

The goddamned Russians have been using their strategic bombers in conventional attacks against Ukraine and that makes them fair game. Those cunts don't get to wage war with impunity and expect that they can use those planes to slaughter Ukrainians and then the Ukrainians can't do anything to them in response.

And the Russian cunts don't get to bomb the Ukrainians while the Ukrainians are supposed to take it up the ass in the name of 'peace'.

Yeah, so you're offended at what I said and then you go on to personify what I said. That's a you problem and not a me problem.

You need to give your moral compass a kick or two. It ain't working right.

 

[ll74]

Lots of chatter that the Russians may have also lost one or more nuclear submarines in an explosion at Severmorsk Naval Base.

The Russians are calling this a maintenance accident and other analysts are noting that the explosion took place on Sunday, June 1st when no maintenance crews are working.

It is possibly yet another Ukrainian action.

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[Rightguide]

Ukraine defaults on $665 million debt payment as war spending leaves creditors unpaid
06/02/2025 // Cassie B. // 1.2K Views

• Ukraine defaults on a $665 million payment to creditors in its first failure on growth-linked debt since 2015.
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• The war-torn nation refused payment after restructuring talks with hedge funds collapsed, worsening financial instability.
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• A removed cross-default clause prevents broader debt crises but damages investor confidence in Ukraine’s long-term solvency.
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• Ukraine’s economy remains crippled by war, with GDP below pre-war levels despite modest 2023 growth.
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• Fitch Ratings warns of restricted default as Ukraine prioritizes military spending over debt obligations, risking financial isolation.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2025-06-02-ukraine-defaults-war-spending-creditors-unpaid.html

 

[ll74]

Ukraine defaults on $665 million debt payment as war spending leaves creditors unpaid
06/02/2025 // Cassie B. // 1.2K Views

• Ukraine defaults on a $665 million payment to creditors in its first failure on growth-linked debt since 2015.
• 
  
• The war-torn nation refused payment after restructuring talks with hedge funds collapsed, worsening financial instability.
• 
  
• A removed cross-default clause prevents broader debt crises but damages investor confidence in Ukraine’s long-term solvency.
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• Ukraine’s economy remains crippled by war, with GDP below pre-war levels despite modest 2023 growth.
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• Fitch Ratings warns of restricted default as Ukraine prioritizes military spending over debt obligations, risking financial isolation.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2025-06-02-ukraine-defaults-war-spending-creditors-unpaid.html

Natural news.

Lmao

 

[Rightguide]

Kiev Mayor Klitschko Hits Out At Zelensky: Ukraine “Stinks Of Authoritarianism”​

Steve Watson
1st June 2025
4 comments

“This is a purge of democratic principles and institutions”

The former mayor of Kiev, Vitali Klitschko has blasted Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and bluntly stated that the country is plagued by authoritarianism.

The former world heavyweight champion boxer told the Times of London that Kiev City Council essentially cannot operate because of “raids, interrogations and threats of fabricated criminal proceedings.”

“This is a purge of democratic principles and institutions under the guise of war,” Klitschko declared, adding “I once said that it smells of authoritarianism in our country. Now it stinks of it.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1929023230817481038

https://modernity.news/2025/06/01/k...-zelensky-ukraine-stinks-of-authoritarianism/

This is one reason Zelensky is hesitant to hold elections, Klitschko remains highly popular among Ukrainians and likely represents the sentiments of a significant portion of the population.

 

[ll74]

This is one reason Zelensky is hesitant to hold elections, Klitschko remains highly popular among Ukrainians and likely represents the sentiments of a significant portion of the population.

Zelensky is not hesitant to hold elections. He has no say in the decision.

Ukranian Parliament continues the declaration of martial law.
As a result, elections cannot be held, in accordance to the Ukranian Constitution.

If the Parliament ends martial law, elections will be held.

 

[Baztrachian]

Wtf are you talking about?

https://defence-blog.com/explosions-reported-at-russian-nuclear-sub-base/

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...d=C6E2D025093349149586B5D10E87DA23&ocid=wispr

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1l0p4yt/major_explosion_hits_russian_severomorsk_home_to

 

[ll74]

https://defence-blog.com/explosions-reported-at-russian-nuclear-sub-base/

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...d=C6E2D025093349149586B5D10E87DA23&ocid=wispr

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1l0p4yt/major_explosion_hits_russian_severomorsk_home_to

How difficult was that for you to post a source?

 

[Baztrachian]

How difficult was that for you to post a source?

You asked and I posted three sources.

 

[ll74]

You asked and I posted three sources.

Did it hurt you physically or did you just suck it up and copy the url?

 

[LeahWill]

That’s a cheap and disgusting analogy, and worse, it betrays a total lack of seriousness about the stakes involved. We’re talking about deep strikes on strategic nuclear infrastructure in a nuclear-armed superpower, not some heroic fantasy of resistance. This happened the day before peace talks, and it’s not even clear the U.S. President authorized it. If you think that launching unauthorized escalatory attacks on Russia’s strategic assets won’t provoke a response, you’re playing with fire in a powder room.

If Russia decides to respond by bombing Kyiv, or worse, it won’t be because it’s a "rapist angry at a victim fighting back." It’ll be because someone sabotaged a diplomatic off-ramp, forced their hand, and pushed this war into an uncontrollable phase. You’re not making a moral point. You’re just romanticizing reckless escalation under the guise of justice.

This isn’t a Marvel movie. There are no heroes here, just consequences. And if you can't tell the difference between fighting for freedom and blowing up the peace table, then maybe you’re the one who's lost the plot.

Ukraine launched an 'unauthorised attack' during a war.... Unheard of, the frightful bounders. PML!!

You think after the Oval office omnishambles they are going to ask permission...from Trump...

That's Trump. Who said he'd stop this in 24 hours AND YOU ALL CHEERED.

And now you're a strategic genius like him too... No fair play, you probably are about as solid as him on this stuff.

Christ almighty if it had been KH promising all that bollocks and 6 months later this carnage was going on what would you have been saying about her

 

[Rightguide]

Zelensky is not hesitant to hold elections. He has no say in the decision.

Ukranian Parliament continues the declaration of martial law.
As a result, elections cannot be held, in accordance to the Ukranian Constitution.

If the Parliament ends martial law, elections will be held.

For all practical purposes, Volodymyr Zelensky functions as the de facto dictator of Ukraine. Elections, both presidential and parliamentary, have been indefinitely suspended under martial law, which has been extended continuously since 2022. This effectively nullifies the democratic process and extends Zelensky’s term without public consent.

Under martial law, he exercises sweeping powers: opposition parties have been banned, media has been consolidated under state control, and regional leaders, like Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko, have publicly accused Zelensky of authoritarian centralization.

This isn’t about Russia or Ukraine’s right to self-defense; it’s about a wartime leader consolidating power in a way that silences dissent and avoids electoral accountability. If a leader cancels elections, controls the press, bans political opponents, and rules by decree, what do you call that, if not a dictatorship in practice?

 

[Baztrachian]

Did it hurt you physicallyor did you just suck it up and copy the url?

Already had the pages open.

I'm doing some homework on the 531st Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment which provides air defense cover for the various bases in the Murmansk area.

They used to have twenty-four S-400 surface-to-air missile systems and six Pantsir-S1 medium-range surface-to-air missile systems. None of which lit up their radars before or immediately after the explosions. A 55ZH6M/1L13 surveillance system was radiating during the event.

It is possible that the 531st was offline for Sunday morning because around 3pm local time a few different E/F/G and 70-75mc fire control radars lit up.

All that to say that I don't think drones were involved in the Severmorsk event.

 

[ll74]

Already had the pages open.

Neat..so you're admitting you could've provided them in your original post but we're just too fucking lazy.

Thanks for confirming.

I'm doing some homework on the 531st Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment which provides air defense cover for the various bases in the Murmansk area.

Sounds exciting

They used to have twenty-four S-400 surface-to-air missile systems and six Pantsir-S1 medium-range surface-to-air missile systems. None of which lit up their radars before or immediately after the explosions. A 55ZH6M/1L13 surveillance system was radiating during the event.

It is possible that the 531st was offline for Sunday morning because around 3pm local time a few different E/F/G and 70-75mc fire control radars lit up.

All that to say that I don't think drones were involved in the Severmorsk event.

Ukrainians have primarily used drones in all of their attacks in some capacity. I doubt their strategy changed here, but perhaps they played a secondary role.

 

[LeahWill]

For all practical purposes, Volodymyr Zelensky functions as the de facto dictator of Ukraine. Elections, both presidential and parliamentary, have been indefinitely suspended under martial law, which has been extended continuously since 2022. This effectively nullifies the democratic process and extends Zelensky’s term without public consent.

Under martial law, he exercises sweeping powers: opposition parties have been banned, media has been consolidated under state control, and regional leaders, like Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko, have publicly accused Zelensky of authoritarian centralization.

This isn’t about Russia or Ukraine’s right to self-defense; it’s about a wartime leader consolidating power in a way that silences dissent and avoids electoral accountability. If a leader cancels elections, controls the press, bans political opponents, and rules by decree, what do you call that, if not a dictatorship in practice?

Like Churchill then?

 

[ll74]

This isn’t about Russia or Ukraine’s right to self-defense; it’s about a wartime leader consolidating power in a way that silences dissent and avoids electoral accountability. If a leader cancels elections, controls the press, bans political opponents, and rules by decree, what do you call that, if not a dictatorship in practice?

A war that was started by Putin.
Power that has been voted on by elected officials since the war began multiple times and can be revoked by those officials at any time

 

[Baztrachian]

For all practical purposes, Volodymyr Zelensky functions as the de facto dictator of Ukraine. Elections, both presidential and parliamentary, have been indefinitely suspended under martial law, which has been extended continuously since 2022. This effectively nullifies the democratic process and extends Zelensky’s term without public consent.

Under martial law, he exercises sweeping powers: opposition parties have been banned, media has been consolidated under state control, and regional leaders, like Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko, have publicly accused Zelensky of authoritarian centralization.

This isn’t about Russia or Ukraine’s right to self-defense; it’s about a wartime leader consolidating power in a way that silences dissent and avoids electoral accountability. If a leader cancels elections, controls the press, bans political opponents, and rules by decree, what do you call that, if not a dictatorship in practice?

1. Zelensky is not a dictator. The state of martial law had to be approved by the Parliament and it has been repeatedly extended by that same Parliament. In short Zelensky's extraordinary authority is controlled by a democratically elected body and it can be revoked at their sufferance.

2. During World War One both the UK and Canada suspended their elections until after the war ended.

3. In World War Two it was New Zealand that suspended elections until after the war ended.

4. Israel has several times had to postpone or delay scheduled elections due to acts of war by their Muslim neighbors.

5. In the United States there was discussion about suspending the 1944 election until after the war and 'dictator' FDR insisted that it proceed anyway.

 

[Baztrachian]

Neat..so you're admitting you could've provided them in your original post but we're just too fucking lazy.

Maybe I am thinking of Politburo or whatever the fuck his name is but I am out of the habit of posting sources since that asshole ignores them even when they're a source he has cited.

 

[ll74]

Maybe I am thinking of Politburo or whatever the fuck his name is but I am out of the habit of posting sources since that asshole ignores them even when they're a source he has cited.

Yah, he's a fucking idiot.

 

[dmallord]

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Does the personnel loss box include the russian guy in the video standing on top of that drone transport truck?

I saw that grizzly video. He might have been a civilian. From the viewpoint of the russian person recording the two guys climbing on top of that drone cargo truck, it wasn't possible to tell. The two were peering into the empty truck from the top when one of them walked into a high voltage line as he was looking down. The boom and the visual was stunning. I've seen guys go down by automatic fire, but never by electrocution like that.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Does the personnel loss box include the russian guy in the video standing on top of that drone transport truck?

I saw that grizzly video. He might have been a civilian. From the viewpoint of the russian person recording the two guys climbing on top of that drone cargo truck, it wasn't possible to tell. The two were peering into the empty truck from the top when one of them walked into a high voltage line as he was looking down. The boom and the visual was stunning. I've seen guys go down by automatic fire, but never by electrocution like that.

Civilian from the way he was dressed and no, that wouldn't go into the loss count the Ukrainians publish - they only count military

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

For all practical purposes, Volodymyr Zelensky functions as the de facto dictator of Ukraine. Elections, both presidential and parliamentary, have been indefinitely suspended under martial law, which has been extended continuously since 2022. This effectively nullifies the democratic process and extends Zelensky’s term without public consent.\

This Russian nonsense again.

The Rada votes on this. It is not Zelensky's decision, and it is as per the Ukrainian Constitution.

Under martial law, he exercises sweeping powers: opposition parties have been banned, media has been consolidated under state control, and regional leaders, like Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko, have publicly accused Zelensky of authoritarian centralization.

This isn’t about Russia or Ukraine’s right to self-defense; it’s about a wartime leader consolidating power in a way that silences dissent and avoids electoral accountability. If a leader cancels elections, controls the press, bans political opponents, and rules by decree, what do you call that, if not a dictatorship in practice?

It's a war. And some of the enemy are within. Look at the UK in WW2, where fascist politicians like Mosley were locked up for the duration, censorhip was in force etc etc. Or here, where we tucked Japanese away in internmet camps.

How about turning your focus to Russia, which hasn't had a democratic election in years, where opposition leaders are murdered in jail, where political oppents are defenestrated, where there is NO electoral accountability.

YOur arguments are fallacious and without any factual basis, as even a cursory examination would tell you.