For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

This of course is why the Ukrainian strike was successfult. Trump was given no time to warn Putin.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[icanhelp1]

Maybe I am thinking of Politburo or whatever the fuck his name is but I am out of the habit of posting sources since that asshole ignores them even when they're a source he has cited.

I agree. I've resisted posting sources for a couple of reasons. A) That source is unreliable, biased or it's a fox clone. B) What happens after you provide a source is the insult slinging, ad-hom and name calling. If you're looking for objective consideration you won't find it here. Orange Man Bad the the only menu available.

 

[Lazaran]

I agree. I've resisted posting sources for a couple of reasons. A) That source is unreliable, biased or it's a fox clone. B) What happens after you provide a source is the insult slinging, ad-hom and name calling. If you're looking for objective consideration you won't find it here. Orange Man Bad the the only menu available.

ineedhelp1 (a traitor) ignores the FACT that “Orange Man” IS Bad (a traitor).

That ^ tracks…



ineedhelp1



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Zelensky is not hesitant to hold elections. He has no say in the decision.

Ukranian Parliament continues the declaration of martial law.
As a result, elections cannot be held, in accordance to the Ukranian Constitution.

If the Parliament ends martial law, elections will be held.

And when elections are held for President, the likely winner will be Zaluzhny - omg I can spell that name without looking it up!!!!! In all the Ukrainian polls, he's the guy who will win against any other candidate or combination of candidates. A worthy sucessor to Zelensky!

 

[ChloeTzang]

Frontline report: Ghost helicopters drop Ukrainian hunters deep behind Russian lines under cover of darkness​

Ukrainian special forces disappear into enemy forests after helicopter raid, leaving Russian commanders wondering who’s watching from the shadows.

Along the Oskil River near Kupiansk, Ukrainian special forces just carried out one of the boldest operations of the war. In a surprise helicopter raid deep behind Russian lines, they landed undetected and tore through dugouts, safe houses, and staging zones, shattering Russian preparations before their offensive could even begin. The Russian forces in this area maintain a very thin bridgehead on the west bank of the Oskil River, where the control of the town of Dvorichna allows them to accumulate and deploy forces across the river. Russians plan to use this bridgehead to tactically outflank Ukrainian forces in Kupiansk from the north, as well as to use it as a launching pad to link up with their other offensive in Kharkiv. The Ukrainians understand that the Dvorichna bridgehead will be a key staging ground for the Russian summer offensive in Kharkiv, and know that they must act quickly to undermine any future Russian effort here.

Ukrainian special operations forces command devised a daring and unconventional plan, to conduct the first air assault operation in the war in over three years. They planned to fly over Russian lines and deploy several teams of special forces in the rear of the enemy, where they would conduct raids, gather intelligence, and direct fire onto concealed Russian deployment points. The Ukrainian Special Forces involved in this operation were deployed using American UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters, flying low to avoid being detected by the Russians. Penetrating deep behind Russian lines, the helicopters were able to land and dismount several dozen Ukrainian operators before returning safely to friendly territory.

Once on the ground, the Ukrainian troops moved quickly and with purpose. After reaching their targets, they launched a series of highly effective and deadly raids against Russian forces. They cleared forest belts and residential areas of enemy soldiers who had been preparing to cross the river. Russian troops were caught completely off guard, never expecting an attack from their rear. Several dugouts were quickly encircled, and numerous Russian soldiers were captured in the confusion. Taking full advantage of surprise and terrain, Ukrainian operators concealed themselves in forested areas, waiting for small Russian infantry groups that were either sent to find them, or were moving to new positions completely unaware. These ambushes were swift and lethal, as the Ukrainians eliminated enemy soldiers at point-blank range using small arms, all while remaining undetected in the dense cover of the forest.

The high level of coordination and preparation of the Ukrainian forces included several armored vehicles, meant to arrive near a designated exfil point to quickly evacuate the operators. This point was chosen carefully, as it had the least amount of frontline activity, and no Russian bridgehead, making it the safest route for the job. The Ukrainians moved through the dense forests behind the Dvorichna bridgehead and avoided areas with larger concentrations of Russian soldiers. The Ukrainian special operators, with intelligence gained from captured Russians, enabled the Ukrainian drone operators to identify large Russian strongholds standing in the way of the Ukrainian exfiltration. Artillery crews and heavy drone bombers were deployed, leading to the decimation of these Russian troops. This focused fire established a corridor for the Ukrainian special forces to safely traverse the forests and reach the western bank of the river, where MaxPro armored vehicles awaited to exfiltrate them back to safety.

Overall, the Ukrainians achieved the impossible, carrying out the war’s first air assault operation in over three years, allowing them to strike deep into Russian-held territory, inflict serious losses, and gather critical intelligence. Notably, it is highly likely that not all Ukrainian operators exfiltrated from behind Russian lines. According to special forces doctrine, these operators will be able to gather intelligence, set up and train further resistance networks, and conduct a deadly guerrilla warfare with sabotage and liquidations of top Russian commanders.

Sounds very much like Ukrainian Special Forces have drunk deeply from the well of knowledge of the Masters. This reads like a classic SAS Operation. Just goes to show what the ZSU is capable of - now if only Biden / Trump had provided them with Blackhawks, rather than Ukraine having to scrounge what they can on the open market.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/06...behind-russian-lines-under-cover-of-darkness/

 

[dmallord]

If peace talks were imminent, and if Trump was serious about ending the war, then launching deep strikes against strategic Russian targets the day before negotiations would be wildly counterproductive. It would enrage Moscow and shift Putin toward hardliners, undermine Trump’s image as a “great negotiator,” signal to the world that the U.S. or NATO doesn’t want peace, so it seems the timing is either a catastrophic miscalculation, or a deliberate provocation to derail diplomacy.

Suppose Trump was genuinely trying to engineer peace and did not authorize this. In that case, I think this might very well have been a purposeful act of intelligence overreach engineered by the CIA and the MI6, a factional act to blow up the table before the cards were dealt. It has all the hallmarks of a deep state veto on de-escalation. The absence of an official statement by Donald Trump on the attack is telling. So far the White House has been silent.

You are an imaginative provocateur of disinformation and fantastic speculation.

Buried in one of today's post was a statement that the destroyed bombers were being prepped, fueled, and set to carry out a massive attack against Ukraine prior to the peace meeting as a russian show of force. A planned attack to weaken Ukraine's talking points at the negotiating table. That pokes a hole in your theory about derailing diplomacy.

Putin doesn't warn or advise Trump of his attack plans, does he? Why should Ukrainians do that, then?

Trump doesn't devise plans. Everyone knows that. He is rhetoric without substance. Being labeled TACO in other matters, it might as well be said of his peace plans as well. Who says, 'I'll know in two weeks, in two more weeks, I'll give him two more weeks after that where Putin wants peace, and then I'll know.' That kind of negotiator is useless.

As to Ukraine advising Trump about planned attacks, such as the last two days, that would be lunacy. Trump's military leader cannot keep secrets and broadcasts them over insecure common telephone conversations at will. Trump himself isn't any better at keeping those tidbits quiet either. The White House is a security risk, and the new military head is just as bad, from all indications. A foreign 'ally' of Trump would be batshit crazy to share intelligence with a loon.

 

[ChloeTzang]

How Ukraine’s air force learned to hunt in packs like wolves​

Ukrainian air force pilots are flying and fighting in complex teams.

Something has changed in Ukraine’s skies. Russian air defenses that once dominated the battlefield are being picked apart with surgical precision—not by lone wolf pilots, but by something entirely new. The Ukrainian F-16 pilots fighting to hold back 50,000 Russian troops in Sumy Oblast aren’t fighting alone anymore. More and more, the air force’s jets fight as teams. A dramatic video that circulated online on Monday depicts a Sukhoi Su-27 from the Ukrainian air force’s 39th Tactical Aviation Brigade blowing up a Russian air-defense vehicle somewhere along the 1,100-km front line of Russia’s 39-month wider war on Ukraine.

The pilot of the Soviet-vintage supersonic fighter wasn’t just hunting random Russian air defenses. No, he was targeting Russian defenses “like a scalpel,” to borrow one Ukrainian pilot’s simile, to clear a path for other Ukrainian warplanes to perform their own missions. As the Ukrainian air force takes delivery of up to 85 Lockheed Martin F-16s from a Danish-Dutch-Norwegian consortium, as well as a dozen or more Dassault Mirage 2000 fighters from France, the flying branch’s fleet is getting much more diverse. The upgraded Western types complement a pre-war fleet that had around 125 Sukhoi Su-24 bombers, Su-25 attack jets, Su-27s, and Mikoyan MiG-29 fighters. The flying brigades have lost around 100 ex-Soviet jets to Russian action, but have replaced many of them with donated airframes from Ukraine’s NATO allies or by restoring older airframes that were lying around in Ukraine. Three F-16s have also been lost.

In all, the Ukrainian air force is probably bigger than it was in February 2022—and it’s certainly much more modern as more Western jets arrive and the Soviet leftovers get their own upgrades, including Western bombs and missiles. But one of the most important updates to Kyiv’s air arm isn’t technological, it’s procedural. Ukrainian pilots now fly in complex packages, where each plane supports the other planes in the same formation. This specialization, and teamwork, first became possible as US contractors helped Ukrainian airmen modify their Su-27s and MiG-29s to fire American-made AGM-88 High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles, which home in on enemy radar signals from as far away as 148 km. Ukraine’s ex-Soviet jets lack internal radar-jamming equipment, so they need help fighting their way through dense Russian defenses. Sukhois and MiGs armed with HARMs can escort bomb-laden Sukhois and MiGs to their targets. It was a HARM that the Su-27 pilot fired at the Russian air-defense vehicle on or before Monday. “The Cossack in the Su-27, performing the task of covering the strike group, did a good job,” noted Sunflower, the Telegram channel that first posted the video of the attack.

The arrival of the first F-16s back in August, and the first Mirage 2000s in February, allowed even more complex strike packages. Unlike the Sukhois and MiGs, the F-16s and Mirage 2000s do have internal radar-jammers. “Sometimes when we arrive, there are already F-16s waiting there, or sometimes Mirages,” a Ukrainian fighter pilot said in an official video from March. The F-16s and Mirages “either cover the whole package that is sent there to [strike] our enemies, or also strike [themselves],” the pilot said. So while some F-16s are flying attack sorties over Sumy with American-made precision glide bombs, others may be flying jamming missions to protect the attackers—while other Ukrainian fighters, perhaps Su-27s, target the Russian air-defenses that the F-16s and Mirages can’t jam. These complex fighter packages still don’t risk striking very deep inside Russia, where the air defenses might be prohibitively dense. “Currently, we can only strike at tactical depth,” the pilot in the March interview conceded. That means tens of kilometers rather than hundreds of kilometers.

But the fight for Sumy is a fight at tactical depth—inside Ukraine. The Ukrainian air force’s fighter packages should be up to the task.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/06/03/how-ukraines-air-force-learned-to-hunt-in-packs-like-wolves/

 

[dmallord]

Trump is not sympathetic to the Russians. He just knows that Ukraine cannot win this war and the US can no longer fund it. He wants to stop the war, that is all. He also knows that you cannot get to the peace table if escalatory strikes of major consequence are planned to prevent those talks. I think, at this point, we might just walk away. As I said before, this war will be settled on the battlefield. At this point, the Russians have every legal right to move from a "special military operation" to a declaration of war and flatten Kiev.

You are having a hard time selling the idea that Trump isn't a Russian sympathizer to the board here, Bubba. On numerous occasions, he's said he knows and gets along very well with Putin, that Putin likes him, and even that Putin wouldn't lie in the past about other things to him. Sounds muy simpatico to me, Bubba.

The USA is fully capable of supporting and funding Ukraine's war efforts. We supplied them with obsolete equipment and ammo that would have been destroyed had we not sent it to them. They were fine with those, and it chewed up Russians just like new ammo would have, too. Up to Trump's second run for office, the USA funded and supported them. It is a matter of Trump's belligerent support for Russian aggression, accusing Ukraine of starting the war, and his failure to realize that Russian aggression could have been avoided if he hadn't threatened the Republican congressmen with reprisals if they didn't cut the funding.

Kiev is not a military target. It is a civilian-populated area. Your call to flatten it would be tantamount to a violation of the Geneva Convention on targeting civilians. Which, by the way, Russians do daily.

Russia does not have every legal right to the bullshit terms you used to justify more Russian agression. Your call for a Russian victory in an unprovoked war with Ukraine marks you as a very pro-Russian sympathizer—duly noted, comrade.

 

[dmallord]

I assume you believe that at a certain point rapists have a right to kill their victims if their victims fight back?

That’s a cheap and disgusting analogy, and worse, it betrays a total lack of seriousness about the stakes involved. We’re talking about deep strikes on strategic nuclear infrastructure in a nuclear-armed superpower, not some heroic fantasy of resistance. This happened the day before peace talks, and it’s not even clear the U.S. President authorized it. If you think that launching unauthorized escalatory attacks on Russia’s strategic assets won’t provoke a response, you’re playing with fire in a powder room.

If Russia decides to respond by bombing Kyiv, or worse, it won’t be because it’s a "rapist angry at a victim fighting back." It’ll be because someone sabotaged a diplomatic off-ramp, forced their hand, and pushed this war into an uncontrollable phase. You’re not making a moral point. You’re just romanticizing reckless escalation under the guise of justice.

This isn’t a Marvel movie. There are no heroes here, just consequences. And if you can't tell the difference between fighting for freedom and blowing up the peace table, then maybe you’re the one who's lost the plot.

The analogy works for me. I see Ukraine as the victim and Russia as the rapist, don't you? It's pretty clear from all the available information. Russia systematically violates [rapes] Ukrainian civilians as well as slaughtering POW in voliation of the Geneva Convention. Putin has explicitly said he intends to wipe out Ukraine; sounds genocidal to me as well.

You speak as though this were a paper and pen exercise in resolving a messy divorce settlement rather than a nation fighting for its identity, its land, and its sovereignty.

The rest of what you said is an indefensible plot, Russian commrade.

 

[ll74]

The analogy works for me. I see Ukraine as the victim and Russia as the rapist, don't you? It's pretty clear from all the available information. Russia systematically violates [rapes] Ukrainian civilians as well as slaughtering POW in voliation of the Geneva Convention. Putin has explicitly said he intends to wipe out Ukraine; sounds genocidal to me as well.

You speak as though this were a paper and pen exercise in resolving a messy divorce settlement rather than a nation fighting for its identity, its land, and its sovereignty.

The rest of what you said is an indefensible plot, Russian commrade.

You didn't even mention Russians extensive kidnapping of Ukranian children.

 

[dmallord]

For all practical purposes, Volodymyr Zelensky functions as the de facto dictator of Ukraine. Elections, both presidential and parliamentary, have been indefinitely suspended under martial law, which has been extended continuously since 2022. This effectively nullifies the democratic process and extends Zelensky’s term without public consent.

Under martial law, he exercises sweeping powers: opposition parties have been banned, media has been consolidated under state control, and regional leaders, like Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko, have publicly accused Zelensky of authoritarian centralization.

This isn’t about Russia or Ukraine’s right to self-defense; it’s about a wartime leader consolidating power in a way that silences dissent and avoids electoral accountability. If a leader cancels elections, controls the press, bans political opponents, and rules by decree, what do you call that, if not a dictatorship in practice?

Bubba, you're spewing yellow urine here. Zelensky holds the job because he was in it when his government was in wartime situations.

The USA isn't at war, but we have a man acting like he wants the right to suspend the Constitution and the right to habeas corpus. That sounds like your definition.

On the other hand, Zelyskyy's support from his citizenry is rocking and rolling. It tells me he is doing what citizens are asking of him.

Your comments are just bait for Russian trolls.

 

[Baztrachian]

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Hmmm. Hopefully this signals the start of the Chinese war to retake Siberia from the Russians.

I doubt anyone in the world would oppose China retaking Siberia instead of trying to invade Taiwan.

 

[Baztrachian]

The USA isn't at war, but we have a man acting like he wants the right to suspend the Constitution and the right to habeas corpus.

Eh, suspending habeas so we can deport some 20 million illegals is practical. That or we have to institute a shitload of administrative law courts to issue deportation orders to people who for the most part already have deportation orders.

 

[Politruk]

Eh, suspending habeas so we can deport some 20 million illegals is practical.

There aren't that many.

 

[dmallord]

You didn't even mention Russians extensive kidnapping of Ukranian children.

Sorry, I was focused on the items in his post and forgot the children. But you reminded him, so there is that jab now. Thanks.

 

[ChloeTzang]

There aren't that many.

More like 35,000,000 and that might be low

 

[ChloeTzang]

Bubba, you're spewing yellow urine here. Zelensky holds the job because he was in it when his government was in wartime situations.

The USA isn't at war, but we have a man acting like he wants the right to suspend the Constitution and the right to habeas corpus. That sounds like your definition.

On the other hand, Zelyskyy's support from his citizenry is rocking and rolling. It tells me he is doing what citizens are asking of him.

Your comments are just bait for Russian trolls.

Zelensky's support is up in the high 70% with Ukrainians. He's not going anywhere, and no-one doubts there will be elections after the war is won. I suspect by that stage Zelensky will not even stand. The stress and pressure the guy is under is unreal, which makes me detest Trump even more for his attitude towards him.

Zelensky s fightimg to keep his country free from Russia and preserve Ukrainians from outright genocide, and Trump continuously harrasses, attacks and stabs him in the back, quite literally. That is detestable and disgusting, and whatever the alternative, I refuse to vote for anyone who supports Trump or Vance now and forever into the future.

I do note that De Santis of noticeably silent, which gives me some hope. Not much, but some.

 

[dmallord]

Eh, suspending habeas so we can deport some 20 million illegals is practical. That or we have to institute a shitload of administrative law courts to issue deportation orders to people who for the most part already have deportation orders.

Nothing wrong with following legal precedent on deportation. There are courts already established for this and the process is streamlined. It takes more judges and staff to handle it of course, but it is the proper manner of dealing with those cases.

Suspending habeas corpus isn't just for some people–it's everybody in the USofA. Think about that and consider there are like 350,000,000 of us: some brown, red, white, black, and rainbow that Trump would deport for not being in agreement with him. How do you claw back that specialized power from a man who tried to stay in the White House past his expiration date the first time?

 

[Baztrachian]

There aren't that many.

Pretty close...

https://www.fairus.org/issue/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2025-update

As of March 2025, FAIR estimates that approximately 18.6 million illegal aliens reside in the United States. This is 11 percent higher than our June 2023 illegal alien population estimate of 16.8 million.

 

[Politruk]

Pretty close...

https://www.fairus.org/issue/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2025-update

As of March 2025, FAIR estimates that approximately 18.6 million illegal aliens reside in the United States. This is 11 percent higher than our June 2023 illegal alien population estimate of 16.8 million.

This is not a subject on which FAIR can be trusted.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[Baztrachian]

This is not a subject on which FAIR can be trusted.

Why? And do be sure to substantiate your assertion with something more substantial than yet another simple sentence.

 

[Politruk]

Why? And do be sure to substantiate your assertion with something more substantial than yet another simple sentence.

Because this is what FAIR is. There is nothing in which they can be trusted.

 

[Baztrachian]

Because this is what FAIR is.

Irrelevant. They say there's about 18.6 million illegals. Tell me why you think that number is wrong and do try to make your case without assailing the source.

The number is what is in question here. Not the source.