Free Speech in Saudi Arabia

[Sean Renaud]

Ok blah. Done. Didn't read. Have fun.

I am having fun. Lots of it. It's nobody's fault but your own that you're an idiot. We keep trying to help you out because you clearly need it.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

I am posting this, again, to give it another chance, to receive comments

hmmm-

What did Stephen Lennon aka Tommy Robinson, say, that caught the attention Ministry of Justice ?

"The Ministry of Justice said an inmate cannot publish material if it contravenes prison policy, and this included sending it via a third party."

"The justice secretary has made it clear that it is totally unacceptable for prisoners to access social networking sites or instruct others to do so on their behalf."

Busted, in 2012

Stephen Lennon aka Tommy Robinson, is charged with possession of a false identity document with improper intention.

Busted for drugs and assaults.

May 2013

(Now, this, is something that I saw on the American version of the BBC news.)

Stephen Lennon aka Tommy Robinson started fundraising after the murder of soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich on Wednesday.

But a Help for Heroes spokesman said a fundraising web page set up by Mr Robinson would be closed, and no EDL donations would be accepted.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22684489

The charity said it does not accept donations from any political party.

October 2014 Stephen Lennon aka Tommy Robinson violates his parole.

27 November 2014
Mr. Tommy Robinson's real name is Stephen Lennon.

He left the EDL, in October 2013, because of the "increasingly racist elements within the group."

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson was previously jailed for 10 months, for using someone else's passport, to travel to the USA.

Lennon aka Robinson had previously been refused entry to the US, and he used the passport of Andrew McMaster to board a Virgin Atlantic flight to the USA.

Stephen Lennon, who calls himself Tommy Robinson, was sentenced in January to 18 months in prison for mortgage fraud.

Lennon aka Robinson as a "fixer" who had introduced others to fraudulent mortgage broker Deborah Rothschild. Rothschild, 44, admitted four charges of conspiring to commit fraud by false representation. A cousin of Robinson, Anjee Darcy, 31, admitted two offences of conspiring to commit fraud by misrepresentation and false accounting.

Steven Vowles, who admitted conspiring with others to obtain a mortgage by misrepresentation and transferring criminal property.

Lisa Moore, 28, admitted conspiracy to obtain a mortgage by fraudulent misrepresentation.

Yaxley-Lennon founded the EDL in 2009 after five Muslim men demonstrated in Luton against a homecoming parade by the Royal Anglian Regiment.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25110639
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25862838[/QUOTE]

 

[BotanyBoy]

And Botany Boy I don't get the use of fairy tale. I mean you get haha points sure. But it still isn't cohesive with the discussion. What do you mean by fairy tale? What is fairy tale about what you read? Because Sean said it or because you think it's...no wait. You're a grown man. I won't help you speak for yourself.

Fairy tale....religion.

Superheroes......religious icons.

Get it now?

 

[Kitty]

I am having fun. Lots of it. It's nobody's fault but your own that you're an idiot. We keep trying to help you out because you clearly need it.

And when all fails (as in, your ability to articulate and see reason) resort to insulting Kitty for gold stars from other posters. Good luck and enjoy being flaccid.

 

[Kitty]

Fairy tale....religion.

Superheroes......religious icons.

Get it now?

How is that relevant to this discussion or the post?
All you're doing is insulting, insulting, insulting.
At least use your own words.
Those are Sean Renaud's words.

 

[Sean Renaud]

See, another poster tryin to help you out. And nothing has failed Kitty. You never claimed those weren't your words. You're pulling a vetteman. Congratulations.

 

[BotanyBoy]

How is that relevant to this discussion or the post?

It's a legend so you can figure out what I was saying earlier about your belief that your fairy tale is the superior fairy tale b/c you think your superhero is the better superhero.

All you're doing is insulting, insulting, insulting.

How is that an insult?

Do you have some empirical evidence or proof that your belief system is more valid than Muslims?

At least use your own words.
Those are Sean Renaud's words.

He has no copyright on those words they are public domain.....

 

[Kitty]

See, another poster tryin to help you out. And nothing has failed Kitty. You never claimed those weren't your words. You're pulling a vetteman. Congratulations.

My ex did an article on them:

A video about an anti-Islamic speaker from England who my ex avidly supports

And excerpt from a draft of one his editorials:

Right in the post you commented and are obsessed with.

Now shut the fuck up.

"See? Another useless, desperate, irrelevant post by Sean."

 

[Kitty]

It's a legend so you can figure out what I was saying earlier about your belief that your fairy tale is the superior fairy tale b/c you think your superhero is the better superhero.



How is that an insult?

Do you have some empirical evidence or proof that your belief system is more valid than Muslims?



He has no copyright on those words they are public domain.....

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/kanyeblink.gif

The only reason I'm even bothering to respond is because when people are desperate for pats on the back and ego boosts, by insulting someone on a message board, they don't take being ignored as truly being ignored. They see it as some delusional triumph, like I ran out of shit to say. Never. But ok. I only stop talking when I am asleep. And who knows. Maybe I talk in my sleep.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The only reason I'm even bothering to respond is because when people are desperate for pats on the back and ego boosts,by insulting someone on a message board,

I seek no pat on the back, and as a guy with beach houses in cali that have 'smart ass' certs from universities hanging next to my 'bad ass' certs from the US Army I assure you my ego is plenty healthy....if it needed a boost I wouldn't pick on you to boost it, I would just look at my bank account

What insult? The only insulting thing I saw was you claiming your story time better/more legit than others because you say so. I'm just asking you to back some of it up.

they don't take being ignored as truly being ignored. They see it as some delusional triumph, like I ran out of shit to say. Never. But ok.

Not really....I take you putting me on iggy as a childish way to escape facing an answer you don't like.

I only stop talking when I am asleep. And who knows. Maybe I talk in my sleep.

Of that I have no doubt......

 

[Sean Renaud]

My ex did an article on them:

A video about an anti-Islamic speaker from England who my ex avidly supports

And excerpt from a draft of one his editorials:

Right in the post you commented and are obsessed with.

Now shut the fuck up.

"See? Another useless, desperate, irrelevant post by Sean."

Nope, you just made my point. See I just bolded where you said your ex did and article. I've italicized and underlined what came before that and should logically be your words.

Those words are not repeated in the article written by your ex. So if those aren't your words it's your own fault for the confusion.

Muslims are Muslims for nothing. They don't believe in Messiahs. Jews and Christians do and our belief in the Messiah is why we worship. So what the hell are Muslims doing? Just perpetuating archaic and barbaric traditions for nothing.

My ex did an article on them:

A video about an anti-Islamic speaker from England who my ex avidly supports

And excerpt from a draft of one his editorials:

"No brainwashing here. I almost kicked the life out of a man for allowing his son to run and spit at me in a muslim area. I looked at the man thinking he would do something but he just gave a sinister smile that said "thats right thats what you get". I've seen muslims grooming girls in broad daylight. in 2005 i saw muslims run out their mosque pre-rallied, masked, armed and ready to attack black people. which they did. I saw a man get off from raping a child due to the fact that he was so islamic and so alienated from western society that he was seen as not culpable for his actions. I saw a girl wear the niqab in court refuse to take it off and succeed. I've seen the rotheram case, the rochdale case, the whole library of documentaries by channel 4 showing what is taught in mosques and showing the pedophile gangs. I went to school with asians who would beat up other kids for not eating halal and who supported osama bin laden and laughed at people getting their heads cut off in iraq. I have seen this "Jihad" attitude on a macro and micro level. so you trying to B.S. me about whats real and proppaganda isn't gonna run here. I've seen it. heard it, felt it.

the prophet mohamed murdered, raped, enslaved, betrayed his allies, massacred in cold blood, and was a pedophile. he laughed at his wives getting beaten. this is the man that muslims hold so dear. who they aim to live their lives after. he is scum. he lived a barbaric life only comparable to genghis khan. his teachings and legacy reflect this. I have read exerpts from the quran from http://quran.com/ it doesnt get much more universially standardized than that.

tbh i find the history and events of mohamed and his subsequent caliphates much more disturbing. I mean the koran already set the bar low. and they even broke those rules. I mean mohamed even even broke his own rules himself. and are you admitting that the koran is dangerous when written in english?

no slaves were not treated well. arabs still promoted chattel slavery. it was the ottomans that had a more lax view on what slavery was. arabs and muslims had a similar barbaric attitude towards slaves.
infact the islamic slave trade is alive and well. islam started enslaving blacks first and they will be the last to stop. i mean the very word for a black person in arabic is slave. they are the same word.

and I have read what islamic scholars many of them highly respect and what they wrote about black people and/or the Zanj. its disgusting. infact the racist attitudes the islamic world held towards blacks were what inspired the spanish which later inspired the attitude we saw during the transatlantic slave trade.

I am well aware of the current modern day islamic slave trade. I have seen the black people muslims have tied up outside. they are not highly esteemed i promise you. perhaps you should watch I am slave or look at how many black "maids" are turning up tortured and beaten to death lebanon. yet alone other darker parts of the muslim world like saudi arabia.

I am well aware of how non islamic things like female circumcision are VERY popular amongst and spreading via and in the muslim world.

I can't stand how muslims try to take advantage of peoples good nature by misleading them. you pray on ignorant audiences to lead them into an idea of islam which simply isn't true.

you can be as condescending and ostentatious as you like with your flashing of bayes theorem as if to imply your contributions are working off of a superior logic. but the truth is your not.

you provided no proof. i new you couldnt because its a lie. my points been made. unless you have actual links references and sources to prove me wrong. then don't bother responding."

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

I started this thread with examples of people who are struggling with the repressive political structure in Saudi Arabia.

It serves as a warning to America, that if it allows the various branches of the Christian religion to dominate, we will face the same kind of repression.

Can you foresee someone getting arrested in America for "...provoking rebellion and promoting cynicism towards religious texts and religious scholars ?"

Religion and government, ride in the same cart, in Saudi Arabia.

Religion has its nose under the cover of the cart of American government.

How else do you explain corporation entities being given the right to exist as "people," with religious leanings ?

Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, told Mother Jones that the Hobby Lobby ruling "opens the door for corporations to discriminate against anyone that doesn't look, sound, or share the religious beliefs that they do. This isn't a business agenda; it's an extreme social agenda and it is deeply unpopular with the American people."

Religion dominates American government to the point of where women's health care and well being are disregarded.

We have American politicians deciding that women should die like unfortunate farm livestock, if their pregnancies are deadly.

We have American politicians voicing the opinion that God/god has willed women to be raped and pregnant.

Becoming a corporate entity with religious ethics, is a cynical move by corporations to avoid spending their profits on women. How else do you explain gigantic corporations firing women who are near their due dates to give birth? The battle to leave birth control off of the list of subsidized medicine, proved the reason was money, and not a concern with a human fetus.

A grotesque three headed monster has formed, due to the encouragement given by the Koch brothers.

Eisenhower was disturbed by the military industrial complex.
I am almost certain, that he never considered that
a monster formed by government, industry and religion
would grow to take over the House and the Senate.
Ralph Reed is still steering revenue streams from the
Religious Right's coffers into Right Wing politics.

The will of American citizens is being subverted by a few cynical politicians.

What has kept America from the dangers of Saudi Arabia's insanity, is the separation between religion and state.

That separation is getting compressed.

FOX TV and many of the people who benefit from FOX TV's fearless broadcasting of untruths, false statements, fabricated stories, outright lies, do not let ethics, morals, or simple human empathy get in the way of winning a battle against whoever gets in the way of their aims.

Does the news item, listed below, remind you about how the Right Wing politicians feel about American feminists ?

"Arabic Network for Human Rights Information (ANHRI) condemned on Tuesday the arrest of Saudi women rights defender Souad Al-Shammary because of a tweet in which she describes Saudi society as “male-dominant.”

 

[Kitty]

What insult? The only insulting thing I saw was you claiming your story time better/more legit than others because you say so. I'm just asking you to back some of it up.



Not really....I take you putting me on iggy as a childish way to escape facing an answer you don't like.



Of that I have no doubt......

Not me perse putting you on "iggy." Just anyone in general. And not necessarily using the ignore function. Just not responding to you. On the internet, there is no place such as the "higher road."

And lmao. I probably do speak in my sleep, and you too. But recording myself is too Paranormal Activity for my liking