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You should go to work for Fox news, you'd fit right in with those who enjoy taking things out of context to entirely change the meaning.
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I guess she doesn't realize the murderers were born in France and French citizens.
That's why Sharia law isn't recognized by US courts in any way that conflicts with the US Constitution.
I wouldn't expect you to understand how exercising a particular right could be poor judgement in certain circumstances.
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A slightly different opinion on recent events:
Charlie Hebdo and Tsarnaev’s Trial: Cui bono?
Paul Craig Roberts
There are two ways to look at the alleged terrorist attack on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.
One is that in the English speaking world, or much of it, the satire would have been regarded as “hate speech,” and the satirists arrested. But in France Muslims are excluded from the privileged category, took offense at the satire, and retaliated.
Why would Muslims bother? By now Muslims must be accustomed to Western hypocrisy and double standards. Little doubt that Muslims are angry that they do not enjoy the protections other minorities receive, but why retaliate for satire but not for France’s participation in Washington’s wars against Muslims in which hundreds of thousands have died? Isn’t being killed more serious than being satirized?
Another way of seeing the attack is as an attack designed to shore up France’s vassal status to Washington. The suspects can be both guilty and patsies. Just remember all the terrorist plots created by the FBI that served to make the terrorism threat real to Americans.
France is suffering from the Washington-imposed sanctions against Russia. Shipyards are impacted from being unable to deliver Russian orders due to France’s vassalage status to Washington, and other aspects of the French economy are being adversely impacted by sanctions that Washington forced its NATO puppet states to apply to Russia.
This week the French president said that the sanctions against Russia should end (so did the German vice-chancellor).
This is too much foreign policy independence on France’s part for Washington. Has Washington resurrected “Operation Gladio,” which consisted of CIA bombing attacks against Europeans during the post-WW II era that Washington blamed on communists and used to destroy communist influence in European elections? Just as the world was led to believe that communists were behind Operation Gladio’s terrorist attacks, Muslims are blamed for the attacks on the French satirical magazine.
More at PaulCraigRoberts.org
Charlie Hebdo and Tsarnaev’s Trial: Cui bono?
Paul Craig Roberts
There are two ways to look at the alleged terrorist attack on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.
One is that in the English speaking world, or much of it, the satire would have been regarded as “hate speech,” and the satirists arrested. But in France Muslims are excluded from the privileged category, took offense at the satire, and retaliated.
Why would Muslims bother? By now Muslims must be accustomed to Western hypocrisy and double standards. Little doubt that Muslims are angry that they do not enjoy the protections other minorities receive, but why retaliate for satire but not for France’s participation in Washington’s wars against Muslims in which hundreds of thousands have died? Isn’t being killed more serious than being satirized?
Another way of seeing the attack is as an attack designed to shore up France’s vassal status to Washington. The suspects can be both guilty and patsies. Just remember all the terrorist plots created by the FBI that served to make the terrorism threat real to Americans.
France is suffering from the Washington-imposed sanctions against Russia. Shipyards are impacted from being unable to deliver Russian orders due to France’s vassalage status to Washington, and other aspects of the French economy are being adversely impacted by sanctions that Washington forced its NATO puppet states to apply to Russia.
This week the French president said that the sanctions against Russia should end (so did the German vice-chancellor).
This is too much foreign policy independence on France’s part for Washington. Has Washington resurrected “Operation Gladio,” which consisted of CIA bombing attacks against Europeans during the post-WW II era that Washington blamed on communists and used to destroy communist influence in European elections? Just as the world was led to believe that communists were behind Operation Gladio’s terrorist attacks, Muslims are blamed for the attacks on the French satirical magazine.
More at PaulCraigRoberts.org
Not even you believe that.
. . . Eh?
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I heard an interesting theory put forth yesterday which is pretty plausible.
Obviously such a brutal attack isn't going to weaken anyone's resolve, witnessed by the hundreds of people supporting the magazine and carrying in the streets of Paris placards with copies of of their cartoons. So why murder the people?
The theory discussed was that it was done to intentionally generate a severe national backlash against all muslims in France and thus generate more oppression and resentment and help cultivate a large crop of extremist muslims who will then join the ranks of the terrorists.
Supposedly that's what they did in the middle east, a small group of Sunni Muslims attacking Shia Muslims in order to create a backlash against Sunni's and get more converts to build up Daesh
Obviously such a brutal attack isn't going to weaken anyone's resolve, witnessed by the hundreds of people supporting the magazine and carrying in the streets of Paris placards with copies of of their cartoons. So why murder the people?
The theory discussed was that it was done to intentionally generate a severe national backlash against all muslims in France and thus generate more oppression and resentment and help cultivate a large crop of extremist muslims who will then join the ranks of the terrorists.
Supposedly that's what they did in the middle east, a small group of Sunni Muslims attacking Shia Muslims in order to create a backlash against Sunni's and get more converts to build up Daesh
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you are an idiot as is the theory holder
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Read and learn:
From Reason.com
Some remarkable statistics in a new report from Human Rights Watch and Columbia Law School's Human Rights Institute:
All of the high-profile domestic terrorism plots of the last decade, with four exceptions, were actually FBI sting operations—plots conducted with the direct involvement of law enforcement informants or agents, including plots that were proposed or led by informants. According to multiple studies, nearly 50 percent of the more than 500 federal counterterrorism convictions resulted from informant-based cases; almost 30 percent of those cases were sting operations in which the informant played an active role in the underlying plot.
The four exceptions are the Boston Marathon bombing, an attempted car bombing at Times Square, a plan to bomb the New York subways, and a shooting at Los Angeles International Airport. (The last of those took place in 2002, so it isn't really "of the last decade.")
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Possible but my gut says that's wrong. In this particular case one has to believe that these assassins (they really aren't terrorists) killed people they felt were defaming their religion. Anybody who literally take the time out to give a guy back his dog after car jacking him is driven by something beyond simply inspiring fear. Or if it is fear the fear it's a very specific "don't do this" style fear.
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Just because they were quite specific in the sector they wished to terrorize doesn't make them any less terrorists. A campaign of terror requires both incidents that terrorize and a population willing to harbor them. Man terrorist groups are well regarded by their supporters for their philanthropic works. Carrots and sticks. Hearts and minds. We try to do it, but we tend to spare the civilian population the terror of the stick.
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Yes it does. Or if it doesn't then assassins are by definition terrorist. Was Lincoln assassinated or was that a terrorist action about freeing slave, attacking the south (I'm not debating Civil War politics here)
As for sparing the civilian's these guys took the time out to give a guy his dog! I'm not trying to paint these as good guys because they aren't but if I steal your car I'm not giving you back your dog. I'm leaving it by the road side when I get gas.
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WTF? How could a country make that kind of demand? Wouldn't that require something other than Freedom and Democracy?
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Oh, they're terrorists, all right; the point of killing those cartoonists, obviously, was to frighten other cartoonists, comedians, editors, etc.
It doesn't seem to be working.
How is it "appeasement of Islam" to publish this?
Friday, Jan 9, 2015 04:30 AM EST
10 insane right-wing reactions to the Charlie Hebdo massacre
Rush Limbaugh manages to tie the attack to Benghazi, while Gretchen Carlson blames Obama's failed war on terror
Janet Allon, AlterNet
The massacre at Charlie Hebdo, the satirical magazine in Paris, has launched a thousand right-wing, Islamophobic responses, as you might expect it would. As Cenk Uygur aptly put it, “It is a vat of ignorance, fear and hatred over at Fox News,” Uygur said. “There is no bottom to that barrel.”
Nope, there isn’t, although the vat is bubbling in other quarters as well. A sampling:
1. Eric Bolling at Fox seized the opportunity to urge an immediate ramping up of the police state, criticize New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, and urge more racial profiling.
“In New York, one of the first things Mayor de Blasio did here is he said we’re going to pull stop and frisk. In deference to the Fourth Amendment — unreasonable searches and seizures — they said it was unreasonable to profile African-Americans or anyone for that matter… Point is, why are we pulling law enforcement tools out of their hands?”
More from this deep thinker: “There’s been a serious push from the left saying let’s not over-militarize our cops. That should put an end to that discussion right now. We should over-militarize, we should continue to do that.”
His point, in a soundbite: “It’s not a police state, it’s a safe state.”
2. Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, sided with the shooters, and blamed the “narcissism” of Charlie Hebdo’s cartoonists. “Muslims are right to be angry,” his statement the day of the shooting read. He went after the satirical publication’s history of offending the world’s religiously devout, including non-Muslims. The murdered Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier “didn’t understand the role he played in his [own] tragic death,” Donohue said, setting up his perfect frame for blaming the victim. “Had [Charbonnier] not been so narcissistic, he may still be alive.” He goes on to condemn the killings, but jeez! Does it really matter at that point?
3. South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham used the occasion to fan the flames of a Crusades-like religious war. What a great idea! “It’s not an attack on our homeland, but it’s definitely an attack on our way of life,” Graham toldconservative radio host Hugh Hewitt. “There’s a perfect storm brewing to have this country hit again.”
He also urged President Obama to “take sides!” And, what exactly? Declare war on Islam? “We’re in a religious war,” Graham bloviated. “These are not terrorists. They’re radical Islamists who are trying to replace our way of life with their way of life. Their way of life is motivated by religious teachings that require me and you to be killed, or enslaved, or converted.”
Graham has been sounding the alarmist bells about the Islamic State ever since he first heard about them, becoming convinced that they are “coming to kill us all.”
4. Fox News’ “military expert” Tom McInerney blamed political correctness and progressive thinking in general. “Political correctness is killing us, this is a prime example,” he said on the air. “Look, our own president says that the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria is not Islamic. Please!” […] For extra measure, he also called Mayor de Blasio a “communist, who is trying to disarm the police.”
5. Host Brian Kilmeade also found a way to blame Bill de Blasio. He alleged that many French cops don’t carry firearms, and said at least that wasn’t the case in New York City. Unless that commie de Blasio gets his way, of course.
6. Matt Drudge just out and out lied about President Obama’s initial response to the attack, saying that the President refused to call it an act of terrorism, while linking to an article stating that the President denounced the shooting as an act of terrorism. Cognitive dissonance never seems to be much of a bother to Drudge.
7. Rush Limbaugh helpfully pointed out that Benghazi underlies the entire thing. Because Benghazi underlies absolutely everything.
8. Though not a right-winger, reliably Islamophobic Bill Maher naturally took the opportunity to blame the entire Muslim world for the attacks, and also to take American liberals to task for not agreeing with him completely in his blanket condemnation of the entire Muslim world.
9. Points for heinous creativity to RedState.com editor and Fox News contributor Erick Erickson, who took the opportunity to link LGBT activists to the terrorists in Paris on his radio show Wednesday.
“A publisher published something that offended,” Erickson wrote in anaccompanying blog post, “So the terrorists decided they needed to publicly destroy and ruin the publisher in a way that would not only make that destruction a public spectacle, but do it so spectacularly that others would think twice before publishing or saying anything similar.”
Surprise ending! He was talking about Atlanta, not France. “The terrorists did what had to be done to publicly destroy and ruin the offender… And the terrorists won in Atlanta.”
10. Fox’s Gretchen Carlson, once again, wins the award for the most articulate take, saying, “It is what it is. It means terrorism. Terrorism is what it is.” For those who are not experts on decoding Fox News-speak, this is a comment on Obama’s failings on the War on Terror.
But, we traditionally let the immigrants assimilate in their own time. Lawrence Welk spoke with a funny accent because he grew up in a town in North Dakota where everybody spoke German -- and where's the harm in that? It's not like that town ever constituted a base for a German Fifth Column.
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Those are tests for citizenship. There are still millions of lawful permanent residents who are under no such obligations.
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“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”
“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”
“How perverse are Muslims!”
“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”
“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”
“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”
“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”
“How perverse are Muslims!”
“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”
“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”
“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”
