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[Recidiva]

So I'm going to get my flying mount only to not be able to ride it once I get to northrend. That blows.

Yeah. Only thing is that it doesn't blow AS BADLY as it used to.

Used to be you couldn't even fly in Outland until level 70. So that's why I have about 8 chars without flying mounts who could have them. Wasn't worth it.

But Northrend has so much aggro that fast mount was absolutely necessary just to get around. I got everybody a fast mount, as I'd gotten everybody to 70 in Outland with the regular mounts.

So now I'm seeing the benefit of flying. Especially when I hang out with my husband who zips up to a quest NPC while I'm slogging it out on the ground. Irritating.

Since money in Outland and Northrend comes pretty easily, it's a lot more useful and a lot less expensive than it used to be.

But yeah. Still blows. But now it's worth it, whereas before it was really just a status thing. They used to have places in Outland inaccessible to someone without mounts. So I just didn't go there. Now that you can spend all your levels in outland and northrend with a flying mount...I think it's worth it. It's just...gonna take me a while to get everybody up and flying. But I have made it to 80 once without a flying mount in either Outland or Northrend. So it's doable. People just...look at me funny...but I'm used to that.

I could really do without it being so difficult to get to flying and even getting into Dalaran.

Nice thing is that at level 80, there's no exp for quests, so I make about 13 gold for finishing one. Makes it easier to be a completionist money maker. I just have to restrain myself from buying new crafting recipes and materials for a while.

 

[Recidiva]

Thanks

Yes, there are so many games but sadly I cant seem to be able to find my "perfect" one.
I started with AO 6 years ago and I always go back to it after trying new ones, its old but good still. Otherwise, WoW, AoC, LotRO and lately TCoS....... I fell in love with the last one but the game is dying now and I should move on.

I was hoping to find someone to play with (and "play" with) here on Lit, but however fun conversations I had with different people so far there seem to be very small number of actual gamers here

My husband's playing Aion now and it's absolutely gorgeous. He found it one day while Warcraft was down and now he doesn't play Warcraft unless Aion's down.

I can't play it on my computer, but maybe they'll fix that. I'd love to play.

I married a gamer. I don't think I've ever really gotten involved with anybody who wasn't a gamer.

 

[StrayKat]

My husband's playing Aion now and it's absolutely gorgeous. He found it one day while Warcraft was down and now he doesn't play Warcraft unless Aion's down.

I can't play it on my computer, but maybe they'll fix that. I'd love to play.

I married a gamer. I don't think I've ever really gotten involved with anybody who wasn't a gamer.

You are lucky. My husband doesnt care about MMORPGs much. He tried AO once but got pissed off with me trying to help

I heard from some people Aion is a clone between WoW and Lineage2 so I am still undecided. Oh I believe the game looks lovely, I saw the videos.
I might give it a try some day.

I dont care about looks so much but I do like interesting combat mechanics. That is why I love Spellborn, combat is really different. Quests are very interesting and there is no stats on gear... skill matters more than in other games I played.
Oh well, maybe something new and alike comes along soon

 

[Recidiva]

You are lucky. My husband doesnt care about MMORPGs much. He tried AO once but got pissed off with me trying to help

I heard from some people Aion is a clone between WoW and Lineage2 so I am still undecided. Oh I believe the game looks lovely, I saw the videos.
I might give it a try some day.

I dont care about looks so much but I do like interesting combat mechanics. That is why I love Spellborn, combat is really different. Quests are very interesting and there is no stats on gear... skill matters more than in other games I played.
Oh well, maybe something new and alike comes along soon

Aion does look absolutely gorgeous. It's made by the guys who did Lineage, but we didn't like Lineage. Maybe it was the images of running bent over wearing a thong that I could have done without. But I don't think it's a clone of either. The quest system seems different and they have some cool cut scenes. And WINGS.

It does remind me of another Korean game that's free - Perfect World. I played that for a while before I was too tempted to buy stuff with cash from the Boutique. Turns out for me, subscription games without boutiques are cheaper. Or I'll BUY the stacks of materials I don't wanna gather. Especially when the game made the crafting stuff so damned rare.

They've made a lot of upgrades on even old games. I am loving Everquest right now because they've implemented a "mercenary" system where you can buy an NPC to travel with you and either tank or heal depending on the merc you choose.

And EQ2 just implemented achievements...wheee! I love that game because it's got a really nonlinear way of progressing. Status, achievement exp and regular exp, all spread out over kill quests, status tasks and "lore and legend" where you hunt one type of creature to learn more about it and get special kill abilities for that creature type. Having fun.

 

[StrayKat]

Aion does look absolutely gorgeous. It's made by the guys who did Lineage, but we didn't like Lineage. Maybe it was the images of running bent over wearing a thong that I could have done without.

Hahaha, I never played Lineage but yes I know what you mean. Personally I dont mind such things, I must admit since AO got second tab for social clothing I ran my toon around in a thong a lot
But then I hardly know anyone under 18 in that game, its too old and complicated for youngsters I guess.

It does remind me of another Korean game that's free - Perfect World. I played that for a while before I was too tempted to buy stuff with cash from the Boutique. Turns out for me, subscription games without boutiques are cheaper. Or I'll BUY the stacks of materials I don't wanna gather. Especially when the game made the crafting stuff so damned rare.

I suppose I would be the same way. I really dont mind grinding/gathering though, when I left WoW I had personal guild bank with all tabs filled with expensive mats and more money I could ever think of spending.... I am a hoarder in my games just as I am irl.
The thought of someone having something I cant just because they bought it with real cash is bit annoying. So I would probably spend more money than I want on such game as well.

They've made a lot of upgrades on even old games. I am loving Everquest right now because they've implemented a "mercenary" system where you can buy an NPC to travel with you and either tank or heal depending on the merc you choose.

And EQ2 just implemented achievements...wheee! I love that game because it's got a really nonlinear way of progressing. Status, achievement exp and regular exp, all spread out over kill quests, status tasks and "lore and legend" where you hunt one type of creature to learn more about it and get special kill abilities for that creature type. Having fun.

That sounds so cool.
They have been promising new engine in AO for years now and GD is really a great guy, but I somehow doubt Funcom will invest a lot in such an old game.
They would have to completely revamp it if they wanted to attract some of the younger players, grinding 220/30/70 levels takes too much time and skill system (what I personally love about the game) is not easy to grasp and calculate.
Not a good game for those with short attention span

I must say again how lucky you are to have a gamer husband, I sincerely wish mine was bit more interested

 

[BlitzKrieger]

Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is AO?

And Everquest, and Everquest2 are still active?! I thought they had gone the way of The Matrix Online years ago.

And Homburg I still suggest getting the flying mounts for Outlands, it really does help. And, don't be too bummed out. Northrend is actually pretty land mount friendly. There are more flight paths in Northrend than in most of the "Vanilla WoW" continents, like Kalimdor. pet and I have just started in the lower section of Zul'drak and we have 3 fps already, with 2 more to find, so riding isn't really that big a pain in the ass. It's really all about mentality. When pet and I had to ride in Northrend, before I transferred my Warrior over, we followed an old leveling motto: Kill everything in your path. And we did. We killed everything. It makes traveling from spot to spot slower, of course, but the xp was actually kinda nice. It all evens out in the end. Also realize that the limitation on flying in NR is a cheap tactic on Blizzard's part to make you really really really want to hit 77 as fast as possible, and to relieve you of 1k gold and make you smile while doing it.

BTW, Homburg are you using any kind of leveling guide/leveling addons? If not I can point out a couple that are monumentally helpful.

 

[Recidiva]

Hahaha, I never played Lineage but yes I know what you mean. Personally I dont mind such things, I must admit since AO got second tab for social clothing I ran my toon around in a thong a lot
But then I hardly know anyone under 18 in that game, its too old and complicated for youngsters I guess.

I suppose I would be the same way. I really dont mind grinding/gathering though, when I left WoW I had personal guild bank with all tabs filled with expensive mats and more money I could ever think of spending.... I am a hoarder in my games just as I am irl.
The thought of someone having something I cant just because they bought it with real cash is bit annoying. So I would probably spend more money than I want on such game as well.

That sounds so cool.
They have been promising new engine in AO for years now and GD is really a great guy, but I somehow doubt Funcom will invest a lot in such an old game.
They would have to completely revamp it if they wanted to attract some of the younger players, grinding 220/30/70 levels takes too much time and skill system (what I personally love about the game) is not easy to grasp and calculate.
Not a good game for those with short attention span

I must say again how lucky you are to have a gamer husband, I sincerely wish mine was bit more interested

The only drawback to Aion so far is the music and sound effects are rinky dink sorta Midi stuff that sounds like he's playing "Ghosts and Goblins"

Also the female characters scream way too often. I've been driven to ask him if he's on the "Gang Rape" quest while he's playing a chick. Yikes, keep it down. It's like the yelp the Dranei female makes, only worse.

To tell the truth I usually play almost all games with sounds off. I hate repetitive stuff.

And I definitely know how lucky I am. I do not take him for granted and thank him for being so damned cool every day.

 

[Recidiva]

Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is AO?

And Everquest, and Everquest2 are still active?! I thought they had gone the way of The Matrix Online years ago.

And Homburg I still suggest getting the flying mounts for Outlands, it really does help. And, don't be too bummed out. Northrend is actually pretty land mount friendly. There are more flight paths in Northrend than in most of the "Vanilla WoW" continents, like Kalimdor. pet and I have just started in the lower section of Zul'drak and we have 3 fps already, with 2 more to find, so riding isn't really that big a pain in the ass. It's really all about mentality. When pet and I had to ride in Northrend, before I transferred my Warrior over, we followed an old leveling motto: Kill everything in your path. And we did. We killed everything. It makes traveling from spot to spot slower, of course, but the xp was actually kinda nice. It all evens out in the end. Also realize that the limitation on flying in NR is a cheap tactic on Blizzard's part to make you really really really want to hit 77 as fast as possible, and to relieve you of 1k gold and make you smile while doing it.

BTW, Homburg are you using any kind of leveling guide/leveling addons? If not I can point out a couple that are monumentally helpful.

AO is Anarchy Online. Cool game, but for me it's too tech based, not enough fantasy, so I'm out.

EQ and EQ2 are both happily chugging along. Sony has a very nice deal going called a "Station" account. You can pay $30 a month and you have access to EQ, EQ2, Vanguard, Star Wars Galaxies...a couple of others. They also have a pretty addictive (well, if you're into that sort of thing) card game that's linked to both EQ and EQ2 in the way that there are card drops in game and you can win loot in the card game like pets and companions and even gear. I've got seriously kick-ass weapons that start doling out 100 point DDs at level 1. Fun. Has a real "lottery" aspect for me where I don't know what I'm gonna get today. Whereas Warcraft...I know what I'm gettin'. Very little prospect of rare drops in Warcraft. So I've actually got two station accounts and I think it's worth every penny and more.

They've spruced up both games like crazy. EQ no longer has corpse loss and has acres of content I haven't even scratched yet. That and the mercenary concept make it lots of fun for me.

EQ2 is just crazy diversified and I have a blast playing. My computer can now handle it, whereas when I started playing a few years ago, I could only play on the lowest of graphics settings and the load screens were murder. And now I can play Sarnak. Rawr! The crafting in EQ2 is absolutely superior to any other game's crafting system. I'm happy when I can make every stitch of clothes, every bit of gear, every spell, every poison. Crafter heaven.

I'll never forgive Warcraft for not being able to craft bows and ammo.

So it's nice to have Blizzard and Sony for when one's down. They're both prone to 12 hour maintenance cycles.

 

[Homburg]

And Homburg I still suggest getting the flying mounts for Outlands, it really does help.

We just hit 66, and we're about 2/3rds of the way to flying mounts, moneywise. I honestly don't know that we'll have the money before we hit 70. If we don't, I don't see a big point in getting the mounts. Sure, I have to get the outlands level of riding before Northrend (far as I know), but it'll be another 10 levels before we get the gold for northrend stuff anyway.

And, don't be too bummed out. Northrend is actually pretty land mount friendly. There are more flight paths in Northrend than in most of the "Vanilla WoW" continents, like Kalimdor.

I've been surprisingly happy with the flightpath situation in outland. It's rather convenient.

pet and I have just started in the lower section of Zul'drak and we have 3 fps already, with 2 more to find, so riding isn't really that big a pain in the ass. It's really all about mentality. When pet and I had to ride in Northrend, before I transferred my Warrior over, we followed an old leveling motto: Kill everything in your path. And we did. We killed everything. It makes traveling from spot to spot slower, of course, but the xp was actually kinda nice. It all evens out in the end. Also realize that the limitation on flying in NR is a cheap tactic on Blizzard's part to make you really really really want to hit 77 as fast as possible, and to relieve you of 1k gold and make you smile while doing it.

My first thought was that it was a money sink and little else. I just don't have the money. It irritates me that I have to buy separate skills for both zones. Flying mounts that work in one should work in the other.

BTW, Homburg are you using any kind of leveling guide/leveling addons? If not I can point out a couple that are monumentally helpful.

When I was soloing my warlock, I was following Jame's guide. I would have the guide open on my laptop and refer to it as needed. With the three of us, I don't use it. We play on the laptops, and it is difficult to have another computer set-up in the area we're in as outlets and tablespace become an issue.

I do use questhelper, and find it pretty much invaluable. The actual leveling guides aren't so hot right now as we have a consistent group, and the guides are written for solo play generally.

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I'll never forgive Warcraft for not being able to craft bows and ammo.

This is something that burns me too.

 

[Homburg]

Ran the first session in my new game tonight. It's tabletop rules, but being run LARP style, so a lot more movement, and people wearing the sort of outfits their characters would wear. It went really well, and everybody had fun.

Hell, the hardest part for me was keeping a straight face when running some of the NPC's. And there were even a few scenes where I had to run two different NPC's talking to each other. That is always interesting.

Regardless, it was good to hang out with my group again, and there really was a lot of smiles and laughter, so I count it as a good time. Might even be worth the headaches. We'll see.

 

[Abraxas Winterlight]

I'll never forgive Warcraft for not being able to craft bows and ammo.

Engeneers still can't craft bows (damnit) but they can make ammo (it's how I supply my huntard) & the Northrend guns are not that hard to make & they are pretty good.

 

[StrayKat]

Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is AO?

It is over 8 years old and quite huge and complicated Sci-Fi MMORPG. It has outdated graphics and combat system (my pet peeve, I really dont like tab/q/afk, I want to be involved in combat as much as I can). It has amazing character development system, quite unique and quite easy to screw up.
It is not the game your average 13 yo would ever play.

Now mind this is all just my opinion.....
I played WoW 2 years (between TBC and WotKL) and the biggest difference between those two games is that WoW is all about endgame and doing what you are told. You level fast to get to max level, you run dungeons to get easy equippable gear, you run harder dungeons, you raid. You get told how to spec and what to do. Thats it. PvP never had much sense for me in WoW, just because someone is "other side" it is not reason good enough for me to attack them.

In AO on the other hand you can stop leveling at (almost) any level. There are PvP brackets and people spend a lot of time and brainpower in twinking low level toons. PvP has meaning, you actually get huge benefits from owning even lowest level towers and taking them over of defending is worth the fight.
Gear in AO has mostly no level requirements, you can wear anything you want at any level if you meet some other requirements, usually character stats. You get those stats high by using implants, buffs and other (usually some very rare) gear. It is simply amazing what some people manage to equip.
There is very small possibility to suck up your way to good guild, follow the orders about speccing, stay where you are told, press 3 keys and get all you want. Ok I simplified it now but I hope you get my meaning. If you cant actually think and do maths you cant play AO.

Now I hope WoW fans will not tear me apart, like I said I played it for 2 years and I enjoyed my time there. I do not play in close knit group of friends, I venture in each game all alone and I make friends along the way. Some of them follow me to my next game. Maybe I am just biased but maybe I can see aspects of the game and community from different point of view. I sure think AO is worth a try, it is the only game so far I went back to.

 

[Recidiva]

Engeneers still can't craft bows (damnit) but they can make ammo (it's how I supply my huntard) & the Northrend guns are not that hard to make & they are pretty good.

All my past fletchers rise up and grace Blizzard with a huge raspberry in chorus.

I want bows. BOWS. My night elf is annoyed as hell in a roleplay sense. I don't like the noise of guns. I don't like the look.

I don't want big loud guns but I have a hand cannon because it's blue and it's a Vanguard faction exalted item and because I don't have anything better. I have to compromise on occasion if I wish to keep my pet alive. And keeping my pet alive matters more than style.

Fortunately I can go to EQ2 and craft four types of bows, all ammo, throwing weapons and my tailor can make quivers. And then I can adorn them with things that make them zap, blow up, poison, heal me or otherwise.

Warcraft just annoys me because by the time you can make something, it's probably too small for you. Because you probably spent five levels gathering the mats for something really nice. The only thing I'm really shooting for is end-game stuff.

It completely freaks me out though that the Northrend cloth has NO INT on it. What the fuck?

EQ2 has no crafting level limits, so you can theoretically be a level 1 something and a level 85 crafter if you get the materials. So I can keep my crafting level high enough to make excellent gear for everyone. It's got a MUCH better auction house/broker system. I never understood why Warcraft's stuff can only be up for 48 hours or why you have to pay a fee. I basically ignore the auction house in Warcraft.

 

[Recidiva]

It is over 8 years old and quite huge and complicated Sci-Fi MMORPG. It has outdated graphics and combat system (my pet peeve, I really dont like tab/q/afk, I want to be involved in combat as much as I can). It has amazing character development system, quite unique and quite easy to screw up.
It is not the game your average 13 yo would ever play.

Now mind this is all just my opinion.....
I played WoW 2 years (between TBC and WotKL) and the biggest difference between those two games is that WoW is all about endgame and doing what you are told. You level fast to get to max level, you run dungeons to get easy equippable gear, you run harder dungeons, you raid. You get told how to spec and what to do. Thats it. PvP never had much sense for me in WoW, just because someone is "other side" it is not reason good enough for me to attack them.

In AO on the other hand you can stop leveling at (almost) any level. There are PvP brackets and people spend a lot of time and brainpower in twinking low level toons. PvP has meaning, you actually get huge benefits from owning even lowest level towers and taking them over of defending is worth the fight.
Gear in AO has mostly no level requirements, you can wear anything you want at any level if you meet some other requirements, usually character stats. You get those stats high by using implants, buffs and other (usually some very rare) gear. It is simply amazing what some people manage to equip.
There is very small possibility to suck up your way to good guild, follow the orders about speccing, stay where you are told, press 3 keys and get all you want. Ok I simplified it now but I hope you get my meaning. If you cant actually think and do maths you cant play AO.

Now I hope WoW fans will not tear me apart, like I said I played it for 2 years and I enjoyed my time there. I do not play in close knit group of friends, I venture in each game all alone and I make friends along the way. Some of them follow me to my next game. Maybe I am just biased but maybe I can see aspects of the game and community from different point of view. I sure think AO is worth a try, it is the only game so far I went back to.

Husband and I played Beta, left, and then came back to Warcraft. It's really an entirely different game than it was. It's much less of a grind, the quests are more reasonable, the rewards are better, exp is faster.

Some stupid things like "You have to go into Uldaman to train enchanting past 250" are gone. Unfortunately "Elite" monsters that STILL drop useless crap and are silly impossible to kill are stil there, but what'cha gonna do? What the hell is a point to taking an unbeatable something that's going to kick your ass at level 50, making it level 30 and calling it "Elite" and then giving it level 20 gear drops? *spit* Always hated that.

The two expansions are much better than old game content, so they revamped a lot of it.

The achievement system is really fun. I ignore most of the end game and stopped playing previously when I hit the end levels. But now there's achievements and exploration stuff that's a lot of fun for me.

I've heard much worse trashing WoW. It's fashionable to trash WoW to the extent that I have to turn off most channels when playing other games.

 

[Abraxas Winterlight]

if SOE hadn't borked Star Wars Galaxies I would still be playing that. loved the crafting system. Holding out hope for the new KotOR MMORPG thats on the horizon.

& I hear ya about wow. yes I play, yes I enjoy it, but pretty much everything you said is true. It's a pretty dumbed down game. (tho with the last patch some of the craftable stuff is endgame content, but damnit I WANT A BOW!!!!!!)

(Troll hunter, currently using the gun from heroic ToC True-aim Long Rifle

 

[Recidiva]

if SOE hadn't borked Star Wars Galaxies I would still be playing that. loved the crafting system. Holding out hope for the new KotOR MMORPG thats on the horizon.

& I hear ya about wow. yes I play, yes I enjoy it, but pretty much everything you said is true. It's a pretty dumbed down game. (tho with the last patch some of the craftable stuff is endgame content, but damnit I WANT A BOW!!!!!!)

(Troll hunter, currently using the gun from heroic ToC True-aim Long Rifle

I think WoW can be really immersive. And it's flat out pretty and funny and a postmodern bit of love.

I love the names of the quests. I love that Brewfest has "Mudder's Milk" in it and that there's an Engineer named "Kaylee" and there's all sorts of easter eggs from Oingo Boingo to Firefly.

I think it's awesome for what it is, which is just pure pretty fun. I really don't buy into the "it's no fun because it's so easy" thing. I like easy. I hate grind. I don't think there's really much to be gained from being egotistical about how you waste your time. I'm happy about me not grinding my teeth, throwing things and being endlessly frustrated at a game that made itself overly challenging. And I've played lots and lots of overly challenging games filled with underchallenged people that pride themselves in how they perform in a game. Bleah.

I love moments like - not wanting to leave the Blood Elf starting zone. Running around Darkshire and seeing Stitches come down the road and galloping up to the creepy dude in the shack. "Hello creepy dude! You don't seem suspicious at all! Do you have any quests for me? I'll do them and I Won't Ask Any Questions! It's gonna be AWESOME!"

Other games are picking up on this and I think it's great. EQ2 has anachronistic and silly quests now. Like "Hunter Coalbear" in Butcherblock Mountains saying the greatest threat is - BEARS.

I love stuff like that. The more, the better.

 

[StrayKat]

Unfortunately "Elite" monsters that STILL drop useless crap and are silly impossible to kill are stil there, but what'cha gonna do? What the hell is a point to taking an unbeatable something that's going to kick your ass at level 50, making it level 30 and calling it "Elite" and then giving it level 20 gear drops? *spit* Always hated that.

Haha, now you remind me of AoC. When they found out everyone was farming killable lower level bosses they made their damage scale with opponent level. Basically you couldnt go back at lvl 80 and kick something that raped you at lvl 30 because it would hit you for a lot lot more. You couldnt help lower lvl guildies either.
The complains on forum were so hilarious, people ragequit over that. Imo it was one of the worst moves devs did in that game.

I've heard much worse trashing WoW. It's fashionable to trash WoW to the extent that I have to turn off most channels when playing other games.

Well, I generally dont trash WoW much, first because everyone does, second because it is a good game and I did have lot of fun in it.
It is just my own disappointment.

I had warlock and I loved her. I had lot of fun leveling and however odd it may sound I loved my Succy. I took some decent time and effort to learn to seduce properly. I loved being affliction specced as well.
But, when I came to endgame all my pride and effort came to nothing - I was expected to spec destro, dump my preferred pet and spend all my gaming time in pressing 4 (my hotkey for SB). First time we went through heroic without any CC I felt completely useless. Yes, I could dish out some decent damage but most mages could do it better in the same way. It became pointless to play if I couldnt go on playing my way.

I rolled hunter and fell in love with traps. I specced survival. Same thing happened... when I got her to the point of running ZA all I had to do generally was to dish out good dps. My fun was gone

 

[Recidiva]

Haha, now you remind me of AoC. When they found out everyone was farming killable lower level bosses they made their damage scale with opponent level. Basically you couldnt go back at lvl 80 and kick something that raped you at lvl 30 because it would hit you for a lot lot more. You couldnt help lower lvl guildies either.
The complains on forum were so hilarious, people ragequit over that. Imo it was one of the worst moves devs did in that game.

Well, I generally dont trash WoW much, first because everyone does, second because it is a good game and I did have lot of fun in it.
It is just my own disappointment.

I had warlock and I loved her. I had lot of fun leveling and however odd it may sound I loved my Succy. I took some decent time and effort to learn to seduce properly. I loved being affliction specced as well.
But, when I came to endgame all my pride and effort came to nothing - I was expected to spec destro, dump my preferred pet and spend all my gaming time in pressing 4 (my hotkey for SB). First time we went through heroic without any CC I felt completely useless. Yes, I could dish out some decent damage but most mages could do it better in the same way. It became pointless to play if I couldnt go on playing my way.

I rolled hunter and fell in love with traps. I specced survival. Same thing happened... when I got her to the point of running ZA all I had to do generally was to dish out good dps. My fun was gone

I have one of everything, horde and alliance. I do all the crafts in both realms.

I've entirely avoided doing dungeon raids for pretty much that reason. I don't care how good the gear is.

I share your "end game" pain. So I tend to avoid actually getting there. I just run around being a happy newbie for most of my life in a game. Therefore when there's nothing else to do but raid, I tend to quit, because I just can't bear the atmosphere.

Even lately, I went into a group to get a Brewfest achievement done. And right off, I'm clearly "Not doing it right." I don't know what to do and group members are treating me like I'm doing it on purpose. "Everybody knows" not to roll on...whatever it was I rolled on. I still don't get it. I need something, I roll on it. What the hell? Does that somehow psychically change the odds of me getting it? And would me getting an item tip the continents into the sea? I can never work out the fussy loot rules. And here I thought it was easy. Choose need or greed. But apparently nobody's ever allowed to need anything. I'm lost. Here I'm thinking if you can use something, roll on it. Nope, apparently not. Once I work out that system and try to abide by that, I'll be in a new group with a new set of "But it's Wednesday, nobody has a pet on Wednesday. *cold glare*" rules. Urgh.

Five minutes of that and I'm done until the next achievement raid, at which time I won't roll on anything and I won't expect to have any fun.

 

[StrayKat]

I share your "end game" pain. So I tend to avoid actually getting there. I just run around being a happy newbie for most of my life in a game. Therefore when there's nothing else to do but raid, I tend to quit, because I just can't bear the atmosphere.

You are smart
I suppose I am too much of a "I wanna see what comes next" kind. I usually level too fast. I want to swallow entire game in one big bite.
Therefore I always find myself in endgame before I am ready for it in any way.

Even lately, I went into a group to get a Brewfest achievement done. And right off, I'm clearly "Not doing it right." I don't know what to do and group members are treating me like I'm doing it on purpose. "Everybody knows" not to roll on...whatever it was I rolled on. I still don't get it. I need something, I roll on it. What the hell? Does that somehow psychically change the odds of me getting it? And would me getting an item tip the continents into the sea? I can never work out the fussy loot rules. And here I thought it was easy. Choose need or greed. But apparently nobody's ever allowed to need anything. I'm lost. Here I'm thinking if you can use something, roll on it. Nope, apparently not. Once I work out that system and try to abide by that, I'll be in a new group with a new set of "But it's Wednesday, nobody has a pet on Wednesday. *cold glare*" rules. Urgh.

Five minutes of that and I'm done until the next achievement raid, at which time I won't roll on anything and I won't expect to have any fun.

Hahaha yes, the way how some people take their games seriously freaks me out sometimes. And all the loot dramas. I probably had more talks about unfairly given loot than anything else. I should know, my own 5 years long gaming friendship fell apart over measly Kara loot in WoW. And it was not some silly kid but 28 years old guy. Sad.

 

[Abraxas Winterlight]

i love my WoW guild. We are a casual raid guild. We raid, but we have fun with it, & it's not a requirement. Hell, it's been a month at least since I raided on my priest, & much much longer on my Hunter.
I enjoy raiding, but between being a single parent and starting a new relationship I just don't have time. I log on, give the gang hell, fart around (mining, fishing, achievment hunting), the log off. (I do want to do the upgraded Ony fight tho. Maybe tuesday night (tonight I have someone coming over who I have been winding up all week long. Poor girl is about to explode, & if I get on wow I'm pretty sure she would get away with justifiable homicide!)

 

[lilsubangel]

I've heard much worse trashing WoW. It's fashionable to trash WoW to the extent that I have to turn off most channels when playing other games.

Makes you wonder, if those people are trashing WoW so much...why the hell are they still playing?

 

[StrayKat]

i love my WoW guild. We are a casual raid guild. We raid, but we have fun with it, & it's not a requirement. Hell, it's been a month at least since I raided on my priest, & much much longer on my Hunter.
I enjoy raiding, but between being a single parent and starting a new relationship I just don't have time. I log on, give the gang hell, fart around (mining, fishing, achievment hunting), the log off. (I do want to do the upgraded Ony fight tho. Maybe tuesday night (tonight I have someone coming over who I have been winding up all week long. Poor girl is about to explode, & if I get on wow I'm pretty sure she would get away with justifiable homicide!)

That sounds very nice. If I was lucky to have such guild I probably wouldnt get tired of WoW. I do have amazing org in AO, maybe that is the reason I always go back to that game.

I wasnt very happy with guilds I saw in WoW so a friend suggested the 3 of us make our own. It was casual one as well, we even didnt want to raid at the start. But as we got more members in time, people started to ask about raiding.... maybe you know how it is to run a guild, you generally want to make everyone happy... at least I did *sigh*
WoW is what it is, there is very small chance you can just jump into raiding day after you soloed your way to max level (it was 70 back then). One needs gear, one needs team experience. Most of my guildies didnt have much of that.

So I ended in running with main group + occasional newbie through Kara for loot once a week on main toon; running with second group learning their way through Kara twice a week on second toon; running with those that still needed gear through instances; explaining, teaching, solving loot dramas..... hell it was a job not a game one plays for fun
But we were still casual.... casual enough for a guy to go afk in the middle of ZA for 45 minutes because he had to take his dog for a walk.
I said screw that and quit.

 

[Recidiva]

i love my WoW guild. We are a casual raid guild. We raid, but we have fun with it, & it's not a requirement. Hell, it's been a month at least since I raided on my priest, & much much longer on my Hunter.
I enjoy raiding, but between being a single parent and starting a new relationship I just don't have time. I log on, give the gang hell, fart around (mining, fishing, achievment hunting), the log off. (I do want to do the upgraded Ony fight tho. Maybe tuesday night (tonight I have someone coming over who I have been winding up all week long. Poor girl is about to explode, & if I get on wow I'm pretty sure she would get away with justifiable homicide!)

I just make my own guild and hang out there. Even in Everquest now, all you have to do is pick a guild name and enter it and TADAH. Guild. And now they have "guild halls" with shared vaults, crafting tools, vendors. It's wonderful.

Vault space being what it is and me being the crafter that I am, that alone makes me form my own guild and stay there. So I have places to stash stuff.

My husband migrates in and out of the guild depending on how involved he is. If he's playing and raiding a ton, he'll join other guilds with whatever character he's focusing on for a bit. He's found some good folks and I know the good guys are out there. Then he usually loses interest and wanders off or some guild drama happens or the guild ceases to be and he can always join back up.

"Bastion of Sanity" is my guild name in Camelot, EQ, EQ2 and Warcraft.

My situation's kinda unique just because by temperament and by schedule. I'm almost always working when I'm online or have my attention divided up between about 2 games and work and maybe here. I can't bear to sit still long enough to get a raid done. I'm always in another window or afk, and I can be called away to get something done stat, which means I'm usally okay with dying because I'm being paid a salary to compensate. That's a tough sell to a guild or a group.

 

[lilsubangel]

i've been working on my BE Paladin lately, and just last night leveled him to 78. Just finished the "Veteran of the Wrathgate" achievement. If you can...do NOT miss this event. i honestly don't know where the long questline begins, but do NOT skip over Dragonblight.

My pally will be my 6th 80, and i have never done this zone with any of my other toons. The moment you receive this achievement it will take you to a cut scene...just like a mini movie. It was awesome.

Once that is done, you go to Orgrimmar talk to Thrall and he sends you to Undercity to meet him there and do battle, because the Undercity has been taken over by Varimathras. The Battle for the Undercity is a 35-40 minute event that has you phased out. You see no one but other mobs in this unique battle...and although you can't see other players...they can see you. But because they are not phased in...they only see you walking around fighting invisible mobs. Which i'm sure is quiet funny. One thing about this event is that Thrall gives you a buff that pretty much makes you invincible. i had around 45000 health points and the buff constantly heals you and i never fell below 75% health. Just make sure that Thrall makes the first move. You will never feel more a part of a battle than you do when fighting this one.

Another note...when doing this battle turn off your general and trade chats so that it won't be interfering with your battle experience.

Once this battle event is completed, Varimathras will no longer be visible to you and you will be unable to interact with him for the remainder of your game experience on that particular toon.

 

[Recidiva]

Makes you wonder, if those people are trashing WoW so much...why the hell are they still playing?

Actually it's not IN WoW, it's in other games.

Heard it in EQ, turned off channels.

Heard it in EQ2, turned off channels.

Heard it in Camelot, turned off channels.

Heard it in Final Fantasy 11...but some of the bitching was from my guild there and I couldn't turn that channel off.

...end product is I almost always play with ALL channels off everywhere, unless I have a guild, then that channel's on.

Right before I turn off channels I usually say "Funny how you can go to another game, and everyone's trashing WoW. But you go to WoW...nobody's mentioning this game at all."

It really reeks of sour grape elitism. Misguided elitism. It's just fashionable to trash WoW the way it's fashionable to trash WalMart and Microsoft and McDonalds.