gay marriage: do you want it?

[isthisdesire]

Ricwilly... you took the words right out of my mouth. over and over again.
Thats a song by Meat Loaf, is it me or is that guy a musical genius?

lol... that might just be you. it's ok though.

 

[Ricwilly]

lol... that might just be you. it's ok though.

Ok, how bout Prince?

 

[isthisdesire]

Ok, how bout Prince?

Oh, definitely Prince. Yes.

 

[Pookie]

I want it in that I want equal protection of the law. If the Government is going to continue to sanction marriage, then it can't discriminate based on gender. The Government grants a number of important privileges that citizens can ONLY get with a legal marriage.

I shouldn't be denied the human right to choose who I marry by social conservatives that want to tell me how to live my own life. They need to worry about their own morals, not mine. It's become a high profile issue for them though.

 

[Ricwilly]

If we have to make new laws to outlaw gay marriage it oughta be a clue for us to leave it alone. If people want to enter into a marriage to whoever and some one is willing to perform the marriage, I don't see why anyone who doesn't agree shouldn't just mind their own business. We're talking about consenting adults here.
As has already been mentioned, I don't need anyone else putting their moral position on me.

 

[silverwhisper]

those of you who want it might want to consider moving to canada.

ed

 

[onceburned]

Or consider moving to Belgium - they also have better chocolate, too.

 

[silverwhisper]

or the netherlands, where most recreational drugs are also legal. :>

ed

 

[Ricwilly]

I reckon I'll just hang around and wait for this country to come to it's senses.

 

[Metrodance]

I want it in that I want equal protection of the law. If the Government is going to continue to sanction marriage, then it can't discriminate based on gender. The Government grants a number of important privileges that citizens can ONLY get with a legal marriage.

I shouldn't be denied the human right to choose who I marry by social conservatives that want to tell me how to live my own life. They need to worry about their own morals, not mine. It's become a high profile issue for them though.

I agree – equal rights is the issue.

 

[trubrit]

I reckon I'll just hang around and wait for this country to come to it's senses.

It took a long time but the UK is coming round.

 

[onceburned]

Wow! Spain just passed a law allowing gay marriage.

Parliament legalized gay marriage Thursday, defying conservatives and clergy who opposed making traditionally Roman Catholic Spain the third country to allow same-sex unions nationwide. <snip> The Netherlands and Belgium are the only other two countries that allow gay marriage nationwide. Canada's House of Commons passed legislation Tuesday that would legalize gay marriage; its Senate is expected to pass the bill into law by the end of July.

Full Story

 

[M_ber166]

Gay Marriage?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the church marries you and the government licenses you. Like someone else said, "With rights come responsibility". No disrespect intended, but I checked Yes and No because nothing else seemed to fit in the poll.
I am very limited in my exposure of the subject, and know of only one seemingly
married male couple(not legally) and they wish to be. I would wish only the best for them. My wife does, too. She and I argue about occasionally. I think they are better off in this political society not married in the first place. Wills, deeds and the like can already be dealt with without a marriage license. Insurance, I'm not sure about. That should be legislated for a gay couple's rights, if it's not already.
If two people love each other, regardless of their gender, and it stands the test of time, that's what is important. All the government wants is a slice of the pie, meaning your wallet or purse. Oh, and the power that goes with it. I think gay marriage is already covered by the First Amendment, if anyone cares to acknowledge it. All this comes from a very openminded conservative. Love shouldn't be regulated except by the individuals concerned. It took me years to undo a lot of crap that was put in my mind and I still have a long way to go. I sure don't want another law telling me what I can and can't do. do you?

 

[mrmgp]

Straight man chiming in.

I'm all for it. The government has no business telling consenting adults who they can and cannot marry. I don't care if it's a traditional marriage, homosexual marriage, polygamous marriage or even incestous, if the parties are of legal age and are consenting, it's none of the government's business who marries who, and it's no business of anyone else's, either.

 

[Brinnie]

Gay Marriage To Be Legal In Spain On Sun.

MADRID, Spain (AP) - The law legalizing gay marriage in Spain has cleared its last bureaucratic formality - being published in an official government registry - and will take effect on Sunday.

An official of the ruling Socialist party, which sponsored the law, said the party will now seek legislation to protect Spain's estimated 8,000 transsexuals. [continued...]

 

[onceburned]

An official of the ruling Socialist party, which sponsored the law, said the party will now seek legislation to protect Spain's estimated 8,000 transsexuals.

Its great that the coalition is going to tackle TS issues next. Sounds like Spain is a little behind the times in that department.

 

[none2_none2]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the church marries you and the government licenses you. Like someone else said, "With rights come responsibility". No disrespect intended, but I checked Yes and No because nothing else seemed to fit in the poll.
I am very limited in my exposure of the subject, and know of only one seemingly
married male couple(not legally) and they wish to be. I would wish only the best for them. My wife does, too. She and I argue about occasionally. I think they are better off in this political society not married in the first place. Wills, deeds and the like can already be dealt with without a marriage license. Insurance, I'm not sure about. That should be legislated for a gay couple's rights, if it's not already.
If two people love each other, regardless of their gender, and it stands the test of time, that's what is important. All the government wants is a slice of the pie, meaning your wallet or purse. Oh, and the power that goes with it. I think gay marriage is already covered by the First Amendment, if anyone cares to acknowledge it. All this comes from a very openminded conservative. Love shouldn't be regulated except by the individuals concerned. It took me years to undo a lot of crap that was put in my mind and I still have a long way to go. I sure don't want another law telling me what I can and can't do. do you?

I think it's truely great that you are open minded about the subject. I am not a lawyer, but it has been my understanding that though you may think that legal documents can take care of uniting a gay couple, all it would take would be a "real" family member to challenge those documents to open you up to a court case. It is also my understanding that in a critical hospital situation, they restrict the visitors to the immediate family. I'm not sure that a civil contract can get around that as much as an actual marriage certificate. You also have other things such as SS benefits, VA benefits, etc. You also have the issue of single, head of household, joint tax rates. Also how do you deal with health insurance if one ends up needing the benefits of the other. Though some employers allow for domestic benefits, there are probably plenty of gay couples who don't work for such companies

One story I remember reading was about a NYC couple where the guy whose name was on the lease died. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but the story basically stated that the contract couldn't be ammended while he was alive because he wasn't immediate family or spouse, and after death the owner had no obligation to allow the surviver to stay there since it wasn't a legal spouse.

I feel like there are 3 camps:
Those that want no rights for gays;
those that want us to have just civil unions, but not marriage;
those that want full marriage rights for gays;

The middle group I think perceives that they are really truely compromising. However, if it swims like a duck, walks like a duck, squawks like a duck, then it must be a duck. Thus to try to carve out some legal document that would be similar, but not the same strikes me as the old argument of "seperate but equal".
I know they don't like comparing racism to sexism, but its hard to find analogies to compare the situation to.

Personally, I have been in a relationship 3 years (three years this Labor Day). I am too terrified to do something public like a marriage certificate or tell my employer. I fear that there would be backlash -- if not now, a few year down the path. However, the fact that its not even an option for me because my partner is the same gender really bothers me.

For the long haul, the govt probably should get out of the marriage business. They should recognized familes that exist and protect their legal rights whether they are gay, str8, and even non-sexual couplings. Let the churches keep their beliefs against gays. There are always other churches, etc who do accept all people.

 

[blackieone]

luckily for people in Spain,governement has balls to face the Church on those matters,evwen if i think something will happen in the near future.But as long as Zapatero stays in charge,there will be many steps into the future(or the modern age,it depends on the way you look a t it),something other countries didn't do..........or don't have the guts to do...........for reasons that have nothing to do with morality.