George Bush is awesome!

ABSTRUSE said:
Gracias P.

I know you can relate to what i say, afterall you "dirty mexicans" are all on welfare.:eek:

You know I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!

Along with all us drunk injuns. Oops, I mean drunk injun single mothers.
 
shereads said:
Have you advertised your liver and corneas on ebay?

Yes. Larry Hagman was really interested in the liver, but he was concerned about the growing stockpile he already has.

I'm trying to sell my uterus and matching ovary set, only used twice.

I'm looking for a place to donate excess body fat, there might be a demand in the model industry for such a product...that alone should pay off my Escalade.
 
It occurred to me in reading the replies to Colly’s “Greatest Presidents” thread that a big part of a president’s function (and maybe the biggest part) is to set the national tone and present America’s face to the world. You look at a guy like Ford, who struggled unsuccessfully with runaway inflation (anyone remember him showing off his WIP button in TV? Whip Inflation Now?) and all people remember is that he provided a sense of stability after Nixon’s disgrace. Or Carter, where all the good he did is eclipsed by his helplessness in the face of the Iran hostage crisis. Reagan’s biggest legacy seems to be that he made people feel good about being American again, despite all the filthy little scams that were running behind the scenes, and the eight fat years of peace and prosperity under Clinton are shadowed for a lot of people by Monicagate,

Judged on those terms, it’s hard to see how Bush can be seen as anything but a bad president. Despite his attempts to look strong and decisive, I think it’s hard to see Iraq or even Afghanistan as anything more than the actions of a badly frightened and jittery nation. We’re constantly cowering under the different-colored warnings and alerts comings out of DC. We’re a nation in which fear has become a way of life, and it’s hard to imagine a day when this won’t be the case, when the ‘war on terror’ is declared officially over.

Our rights are being assailed and taken away from us, our jobs are going overseas, the rich are getting much richer and the poor are getting much poorer, lying has become an acceptable policy technique, and extreme political polarization is the status quo.

I suppose there are those who would say that Bush has shown courage and resolve in standing up to terrorists. (They’re wrong, of course, because we havn’t stood up to terrorists. We’ve done just what they wanted us to do.) But for the rest of us, when you look at where we were four years ago and compare that to where we are today, it’s kind of astonishing. I think you have to agree that Bush has been a pretty awesome president, just not in the way most people would believe.

---dr.M.
 
ABSTRUSE said:
... I'm looking for a place to donate excess body fat ...
The secret is location, location, location.

There's a big demand in Africa but no supply, while some regions are still on the lard standard and therefor hoard theirs for status. The biggest untapped stockpile of body fat is in America.

In America, body fat is a glut on the market.
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
The secret is location, location, location.

There's a big demand in Africa but no supply, while some regions are still on the lard standard and therefor hoard theirs for status. The biggest untapped stockpile of body fat is in America.

In America, body fat is a glut on the market.

So I can sell to Africa and lose my fat ass? It's a win-win scenario!!!
 
dr_mabeuse said:
It occurred to me in reading the replies to Colly’s “Greatest Presidents” thread that a big part of a president’s function (and maybe the biggest part) is to set the national tone and present America’s face to the world. You look at a guy like Ford, who struggled unsuccessfully with runaway inflation (anyone remember him showing off his WIP button in TV? Whip Inflation Now?) and all people remember is that he provided a sense of stability after Nixon’s disgrace. Or Carter, where all the good he did is eclipsed by his helplessness in the face of the Iran hostage crisis. Reagan’s biggest legacy seems to be that he made people feel good about being American again, despite all the filthy little scams that were running behind the scenes, and the eight fat years of peace and prosperity under Clinton are shadowed for a lot of people by Monicagate,

Judged on those terms, it’s hard to see how Bush can be seen as anything but a bad president. Despite his attempts to look strong and decisive, I think it’s hard to see Iraq or even Afghanistan as anything more than the actions of a badly frightened and jittery nation. We’re constantly cowering under the different-colored warnings and alerts comings out of DC. We’re a nation in which fear has become a way of life, and it’s hard to imagine a day when this won’t be the case, when the ‘war on terror’ is declared officially over.

Our rights are being assailed and taken away from us, our jobs are going overseas, the rich are getting much richer and the poor are getting much poorer, lying has become an acceptable policy technique, and extreme political polarization is the status quo.

I suppose there are those who would say that Bush has shown courage and resolve in standing up to terrorists. (They’re wrong, of course, because we havn’t stood up to terrorists. We’ve done just what they wanted us to do.) But for the rest of us, when you look at where we were four years ago and compare that to where we are today, it’s kind of astonishing. I think you have to agree that Bush has been a pretty awesome president, just not in the way most people would believe.

---dr.M.

What part of "Staythecourse TerrorFreedom TerrorDemocracy" don't you understand? At least Bush took action. As someone recently pointed out in this thread, "inaction would have been worse than any atrocities."
 
The Last Noble Defender of the American Republic

Excerpted from the transcript of a June 4 interview of Gore Vidal

Gore Vidal writes that "not since the 1846 attack on Mexico in order to seize California has an American government been so nakedly predatory." He describes the current president as being like a man in one of those dreams who knows he's safe in bed and so can commit any crime he likes in his voluptuous dream. No one can stop him.

Gore Vidal from Firehouse Studio on Democracy Now!


[Bush] . . . an unelected President, but serving his time and quacking away. You know, as though he were the real thing. Wartime President. I'm a wartime President.

Why, if we had any media in the country that was honest, and we don't, somebody would have pointed out this is not wartime. You cannot have a war without a declaration. Article two of the Constitution of the United States declaring war, and that should be the House of Representatives. That is the law of the land.

He said, "I'm a wartime President." well, good for him, but he isn't. There's no war except what he has declared. That's on Afghanistan and what he has declared on Iraq.

There is no war, and why they don't stop him right there. I'd switch him right off the air. I would have the voice going, President Bush is under a misapprehension that we are at war. We are not at war. He is at war.

I spent three years in World War II. I never heard President Roosevelt say – "I'm going to send troops to China. And I will then send them to Southeast Asia." President Roosevelt never said "I." We. We are the United States. We will do this. All together with our allies. We will do this.

So, it's "I." I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. How a fool like this can be tolerated in a country whose median I.Q. cannot be much lower than that of Inner Slovenia, that they allow him to say ridiculous things and get away with it.

I have never felt the country is so naked as it is now. There is no official voice. There is no representative government. Congress doesn't represent anybody.

And the Supreme Court, I must say, why some of them are not in jail, I don't know....


[ Link to Full Article ]
 
Thanks for that, Burley. I don't particularly admire Vidal but I've often enjoyed his intelligence and wit.

I recall and will repeat something I said when the "war" began. The all out force of the U.S. military striking a country like Iraq and "winning" in a matter of days was not a war. It was a well planned terrorist attack under the guise of politics and institutionalized arrogance.

Perdita

p.s. I've been a terrorized citizen since Bush came into office.
 
If ANY of the following is true, Bush really is awesome!
He’s going to inherit Reagan’s Teflon President Award.

Either I am coming down with Alzheimer's, these people are delusional, or our news coverage is worse than I thought, if a story like this can be overlooked. I vaguely remember the initial report about the cemetery in Georgia, on network news, then it disappeared, like it was nothing more than tombstone tipping.


Bush's First Scandal <--- Link to full story.

(In 1998) * * * the mother of a popular newscaster went to lay flowers at her son's mausoleum. She was horrified to find it was "infested with gnats, and a malodorous maroon-colored fluid oozed out of her son's crypt," according to Newsweek.

May launched an investigation of SCI. But instead of receiving praise for defending the interests of Texas citizens, she was called into the Governor's office where Joe Allbaugh, Bush's Chief of Staff, was waiting with Robert Waltrip, the owner of SCI - and major Bush campaign contributor. These officials tried to pressure May into stopping her investigation - and George W. Bush stopped in to help them.

May refused to buckle under, and ultimately imposed a $445,000 fine. Soon thereafter, May was fired. May then filed a wrongful termination lawsuit against Bush, Waltrip, and SCI.

To avoid being named as a defendant, Bush gave a sworn affidavit. That affidavit has since been contradicted at least four times. In other words, Bush lied under oath. * * *



Aug. 9, 1999 | Did Bush lie under oath
in funeral home case?
Follow up story.



Gruesome Photos, Video Show Bodies Discarded
in Woods Behind Cemetery
<--- Link to full story.

Thursday, December 20, 2001

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Attorneys suing a cemetery company accused of recycling graves showed grisly photos and video footage Thursday of crushed burial vaults and human remains discarded in the woods.

They also presented internal documents they say show Menorah Gardens & Funeral Chapels in West Palm Beach and its owner, Houston-based Service Corporation International, were aware of the grave desecrations. SCI is the world's largest cemetery company.

The attorneys represent 10 families who say their loved ones were dug up and dumped in the woods, buried in the wrong graves or buried in vaults on top of each other instead of side by side as the families had paid for. More than 1,000 people could become part of the class-action lawsuit, they said.

"That body that is placed to rest for eternity is now destroyed, maligned, abused," said attorney Ervin A. Gonzalez.

SCI officials did not immediately return a call Thursday but said Wednesday that they had no knowledge of any wrongdoing.

The state attorney general's office is investigating Menorah Gardens and four other South Florida cemeteries owned by SCI.

A videotape and photos taken by private investigators showed a leg bone beside chunks of a concrete vault, in which coffins are placed. They also show Jewish burial shrouds, and a Star of David next to finger bones.

A former cemetery worker led investigators to the remains, attorneys said.

Remarks in the burial book, obtained from former employees, included "no room for spouse," "move Mrs. Kolin" and "dig this grave double deep." Another handwritten note said: "Where are Lippitis and who are Haskells and are they both deceased? Move Haskell marker."

The pages show "there are several hundred people who have purchased graves, premium contracts purchased years ago, that do not have a place to be laid to rest," said co-counsel Neal Hirschfeld.

Myra Stone of Lake Worth said her parents bought side-by-side graves in 1982. Her father died in 1994, but another man allegedly was buried next to him in her mother's grave. When her mother died last year, the cemetery's operators dug up the man's vault and threw most of his remains in the woods, according to a former employee.

"I understand that some of his remains are still in her grave," Stone said. "I am just horrified."

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday, seeks unspecified damages.

"We've investigated allegations that we thought too heinous to be accurate, too horrible to be true, over the last several years," Hirschfeld said.



$100 million settlement OK'd
in Menorah grave desecrations
<--- Link to full story.


By Peter Franceschina and Rafael A. Olmeda
Staff Writers

December 3, 2003


* * * The settlement was reached after jury selection was postponed Tuesday morning in an individual lawsuit filed on behalf of family members of a war veteran, Air Force Col. Hymen Cohen of Lake Worth, whose remains were dug up and tossed into the woods at the Palm Beach County Menorah Gardens cemetery. * * *


Funeralgate - the Rerun <--- Link to full story.

The Return of the Skeleton in Bush’s Closet.

by Mary Louise


Hurray! The list grows longer of high level bureaucrats who have recently resigned, with Joe Allbaugh following on the heels of O'Neil, Lindsey, Kissinger, and Mitchell. His announcement has not been publicized and since his position is a significant one, it certainly merits an explanation. For some reason this story is being kept very low profile, so low in fact, it is practically non-existent. * * *

* * * "There are several hundred people who purchased premium contracts years ago, that do not have a place to rest. We've investigated allegations that we thought were too heinous to be accurate and too horrible to be true, over the last several years." The general manager of Menorah Gardens Cemetery chain, Peter Hartmann, who was a central figure in the investigation is dead at 45 yrs. of carbon monoxide poisoning, treated as an apparent suicide by police.

"Funeralgate" is the continuation of an old scandal involving a Bush contributor and longtime family friend, Robert L. Waltrip, founder of SCI and owner of over 3,700 funeral homes, cemeteries, and crematoriums worldwide. This time it's the desecration of the deceased and George W. Bush is directly linked, as is Joe Allbaugh. Had the investigation been allowed to go on unencumbered, the corruption and mismanagement of SCI might have been stopped sooner, but with Bush refusing to testify while his administration was obstructing an investigation, more bodies were being desecrated. Rep. Mark Foley asked the Justice Dept. and Federal Trade Commission to investigate claims against SCI, that caused such shock and despair in his district, asking them to determine whether Menorah Gardens and SCI had violated federal laws (in December 2001). In March of 2002, two Florida state agencies and Attorney General Bob Butterworth sued Menorah Gardens and parent company, SCI. Butterworth said, "This is a crime against the human soul and heart." * * *
 
Thanks for an incisive quote

Shereads,

This is such an apt--and haunting--remark. Thanks for posting it.



We — Iraqis and the Americans here — are caged by fear,
and we are all conquered people now.

~ Journalist Chris Allbritton, in Baghdad
 
Amazed that people all are still posting here

Wasnt the election over a long time ago? Im glad to see that the forum continues though. Happy Fourth of July. Keep the debate continuing ...Jefferson always said anarchy is good for the system.

"Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. Do not be too severe upon their errors, but reclaim them by enlightening them. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress, and Assemblies, Judges, and Governors, shall all become wolves."

Thomas Jefferson, letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."

Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

"Having now finished the work assigned me, I retire from the great theatre of Action; and bidding an Affectionate farewell to this August body under whose orders I have so long acted, I here offer my commission, and take my leave of all the employments of public life."

George Washington, Address to Congress on Resigning his Commission, December 23, 1783

"Citizens by birth or choice of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations."
George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

"A people... who are possessed of the spirit of commerce, who see and who will pursue their advantages may achieve almost anything."

George Washington, letter to Benjamin Harrison, October 10, 1784




"America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat."

James Madison, Federalist No. 14, November 30, 1787

"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776

"History affords us many instances of the ruin of states, by the prosecution of measures ill suited to the temper and genius of their people. The ordaining of laws in favor of one part of the nation, to the prejudice and oppression of another, is certainty"
Benjamin Franklin

And Finally my Favorite


"Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy."

Ben Franklin



Happy Fourth of July

Blarneystoned out
 
Blarney, nobody has posted here since June, 2004.

You brought the topic up again.

Ahem.


Happy 4th of July, everyone!

:)
 
Elections were last november

I just thought it was funny that people were still threading here in June....

Happy Independence day Sarah...dont forget to have a beer with Benjamin Franklin


Blarneystoned out
 
Blarneystoned said:
I just thought it was funny that people were still threading here in June....

Happy Independence day Sarah...dont forget to have a beer with Benjamin Franklin


Blarneystoned out


June, yes.

But in 2004.
 
Fair enough ...I suppose I havent posted in a year...... it was still a good round of debate for three weeks or so..haha...


Blarney out
 
For a minute i thought i made a wrong turn and ended up in the GB. :rolleyes:
 
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We are offering a free cuisinart with every purchase of The Communist Manifesto. But wait, if you order know you get a free Krushchev bobble doll and a ceramic bust of Former Chairmen Mao.

Serious Debate? Where? All I remember is some flaming rows and a giant robot.
 
It's okay really ...haha

I know the loss was hard to take....Lucifer..you might have a market for those dolls in Eastern Europe...haha...Beijing might really go for them....we could supply the boxes here just like we do for the Barbie dolls here....excellent idea

Blarneystoned
 
The election is over. Most are not bemoaning that fact. Instead:

-our current financial crisis is hard to take.

-this un-planned Iraqi situation is hard to take.

-our ongoing loss of rights in this country is hard to take.

and so on, and so on.

This is an old thread, and many of the issues discussed are moot since the election.

However, emotions are still running high, and as you seem to delight in rubbing faces into the mud you demonstrate quite well the oxymoronic terminology of "compassionate conservative."

Let it go - this serves no purpose except your own amusement.
 
Happy Fouth of July

I can't think of a single right that I lost in the past 2 years....The US is in fine shape compared to Europe.....since the disputes France and Holland put up with the EU constitution...the Euro has dropped about 10 points.....Iraq is exporting oil and things are improving....there are less troops there now than a year ago and the frequency of incidents is decreasing which means that the resistance there is too ...you can only suicide bomb once and then you lost a follower....their constitution is slowly coming together and their economy is on the rise....just like ours has been.

I can really think of nothing to argue about...instead I am roasting hamburgers and going to Fort McHenry to watch the fireworks tonight. That is where Francis Scott Key composed our national anthem in the war of 1812. God Bless America and have a great day Sarah, Luci, etc

Blarney out
 
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