Giuliani Finally Says What I've Said For Years

[KingOrfeo]

Yes, we had economic opportunity that didn't exist elsewhere, but it wasn't anything we did.

Apart from getting rid of the Indians, that is.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Apart from getting rid of the Indians, that is.

Well that opened up the land, but yes aside from getting rid of the Indians. I just find it hilarious. Somewhere someone argued that one of the proofs of American Exceptionalism was basically our sewer system and I asked him what did American Exceptionalism have to do with the Great Lakes which contain something like 25% of the earth's drinkable water and that India simply lacks enough water. It's not them being incompetent, it's them living in a place didn't have it. Then I was an America hater.

Same thing here, nobody thinks that centuries of hunting, fishing, farming, logging etc, had depleted Europe and you show up on the shores of a large continent with tons of resources and that any idiot would make money here?

 

[dan_c00000]

What accounts for the tremendous explosion of American industrial technology and productivity in the late 19th Century and on into the 20th Century? Why did millions upon millions beat a path to these doors? I'll tell you, a kind of freedom and opportunity that didn't exist anywhere else.

Don't forget to add in your history of freedom the rate of union membership. Oh and be sure to do something exciting like track it to middle class income.

Anyway, let's use your freedom argument in a real world situation. Imagine there were a whole bunch of really bad guys who were going to kill you and you were, let's say 12, wouldn't you try to flee to America? Can these people share your idea of freedom, vette?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Don't forget to add in your history of freedom the rate of union membership. Oh and be sure to do something exciting like track it to middle class income.

Anyway, let's use your freedom argument in a real world situation. Imagine there were a whole bunch of really bad guys who were going to kill you and you were, let's say 12, wouldn't you try to flee to America? Can these people share your idea of freedom, vette?

Lets not even talk about the wars that were happening in Europe during that era or the occasional potato famine.

It was FREEDUMB!

 

[The_Trouvere]

Yes we know, the Soviet Union failed because you weren't running it.

The North Vietnamese Army won because you weren't fighting in it.

 

[The_Trouvere]

A more mixed economy with less emphasis on "capitalism" than we currently have. A better education and health care system would be a wonderful place to start. We should probably shorten the official work week by at least five hours. There's an article out there right now about how Salaried workers are often bent over the barrel, but there are lots of things we COULD do.

You would call it socialism and that's just fine by me. But it would just be a new kind of Mixed Economy. And nobody seems to have a more official term than Mixed Economy for what the US has, and it's the proper term for most of Europe though Republicans like to call it European style socialism so if that's what you want to call it, yeah I'd like some more of what they're having.

 

[The_Trouvere]

So you'd like to be like the Europeans? You think Socialism is the answer to a more productive and free economy, when all of human history says differently? You think it would be better to have the government allocating resources and controlling the direction of the means of production in the economy? Do you think the goal of economy should be egalitarian in nature and not a meritocratic?

Countries with Social Democratic economies responded better to the Great Recession than the United States. I am thinking of Scandinavia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Germany.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Obama has been President in my time here...

Was it just like this with Bush, except everyone who is on the attack was then on the defensive?

Interesting to see what the board will be like at the end of 2016....

Hopefully after eight years of Hillary things will have improved.

 

[The_Trouvere]

You truly are one ignorant son of a whore.

Sorry guy. I usually agree with you. That comment crosses the line.

 

[zipman]

LOL, it figures you agree with a moron like Giuliani.

He's a disgrace as a man and as a politician.

 

[BotanyBoy]

LOL, it figures you agree with a moron like Giuliani.

He's a disgrace as a man and as a politician.

Now now...credit where credit is due for his brilliant work as the prosecutor who tore La Coza Nostra (the mafia) a new asshole.

But otherwise pretty much...

 

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[dan_c00000]

Yes, we know your pissed because he made the streets of NY safe again, taking you and your family off the streets.

Things like good jobs certainly helped. There's a lot of stuff that went on some of which Giuliani can take credit for some of which he can't. Seeing as how I live in NYC I can tell you the violence crime was even lower under Bloomberg.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Hopefully after eight years of Hillary things will have improved.

The hate won't improve. There was already a Hillary-hate cottage industry when she was First Lady.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Things like good jobs certainly helped. There's a lot of stuff that went on some of which Giuliani can take credit for some of which he can't. Seeing as how I live in NYC I can tell you the violence crime was even lower under Bloomberg.

I'll never forgive Giuliani for what he did to Times Square. Such a rich, wonderful, beautiful, sleazy dump it used to be! *sigh*

 

[Disgustipated]

Yes, we know your pissed because he made the streets of NY safe again, taking you and your family off the streets.

Dummy

 

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[KingOrfeo]

What was it before Rudy took over? If it was lower under Bloomberg, it's probably the continuing result of Rudy's policies.

Or national trends.

The chart shows that the decline in violent crime in New York was a little steeper in New York than some other big cities during the Giuiliani years, but it was part of a general nationwide trend. Philip Kafinitz, professor of sociology at the City University of New York Graduate Center, notes that the drop in the crime rate began under Giuliani's Democratic predecessor, David Dinkins, and has continued under Bloomberg, who has adopted "a kindler, gentler approach" than Giuliani. The present head of the NYPD, Raymond Kelly, served in the same post under Dinkins.

Apportioning the credit for New York's falling crime rate is a matter of considerable controversy among criminologists. Some attribute the decline to improved policing methods, and the "zero tolerance" approach pioneered by Giuliani and his first police commissioner, William Bratton. Others stress demographic and sociological factors, including the rise in the immigrant and student population of New York. (According to Andrew Karmen, a criminologist at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, students and recent immigrants tend to commit fewer crimes than other residents.)

"There is a big debate between the people who say the police did it, and those who say a combination of the police and other things," said David Kennedy, director of the center for crime prevention and control at the John Jay Center for Criminal Justice in New York. "That said, it was Giuliani's watch. I do think Giuliani was the catalyst...he made himself very publicly responsible for fixing the crime problem in the city."

The next chart shows the decline in murder rates in several American cities. Once again, the decline was particularly marked under Giuliani, but it has continued under Bloomberg, and is hardly unique to New York. As you can see from the chart, the New York murder rate peaked in 1990, four years before Giuliani came to office, and has been falling consistently since then. The most impressive feature about the New York trend is that the decline has been sustained for a longer period than in other cities, such as Boston and Chicago, which show a dip followed by a rise.

 

[Disgustipated]

Stupid reply.

Not as stoopit as youre's.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Giuliani said that canned corn was necessary for any trip to SE Asia

 

[Sean Renaud]

Giuliani said that canned corn was necessary for any trip to SE Asia

Everybody has to win the internet sometime apparently this was your lucky day.

 

[dan_c00000]

What was it before Rudy took over? If it was lower under Bloomberg, it's probably the continuing result of Rudy's policies.

There are many thoughtful and nuanced reasons for what worked and what didn't. You will understand exactly zero of them so I'm not even going to bother explaining them to you.

Also, you're a piece of racist shit.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

There are many thoughtful and nuanced reasons for what worked and what didn't. You will understand exactly zero of them so I'm not even going to bother explaining them to you.

Also, you're a piece of racist shit.

stop being a racist thug, asshat

stand up, stop taking 'their' money, say no to welfare and show them!

oh wait, you are a fucktard, lazy, and will always live off welfare

 

[KingOrfeo]

It's really nothing new.