God Rigs Election: It's Bush In A "blowout"

[Guest]

Why do old people become tiny? And shorter?

goodgodalmighty, ella, I hope Maths doesn't see that.

Perdita

 

[minsue]

BUSH IN 30 SECONDS

MoveOn.Org has a contest for an anti-Bush ad campaign. You may have heard of it. Republican press got ahold of a couple of submissions that never should have made it on the original site that had thousands of submissions from the public. Two of them compared Bush to Nazis and were soundly voted out of the running by the sane public.

They are now down to the top 15. I highly recommend "Al Keyda" a hilarious & yet frightening commentary on the Patriot Act.

"Bush in 30 Seconds" Ad Contest

- Mindy

 

[Svenskaflicka]

But my mother isn't even 60!

 

[shereads]

Re: BUSH IN 30 SECONDS

Min, I voted for "Brother Can You Spare A Job."

Of course, as a Floridian I vote early and often. That was just my first.

 

[minsue]

Re: Re: BUSH IN 30 SECONDS

Min, I voted for "Brother Can You Spare A Job."

Of course, as a Floridian I vote early and often. That was just my first.

Unfortunately, I didn't realize when I posted that those are all competing for "runner up". The actual winner will be chosen by a celebrity panel (duh! This is America, after all!) and those top fifteen can be seen at:

The Real Ads

- Mindy

 

[shereads]

Thanks, Min.

These commercials are a lot better than the runners-up, particularly the one with kids working factory jobs and as hotel maids to pay off the deficit.

The second spot, "In My Country," is worth the trip to the site, though. A man with a Middle-Eastern accent is speaking to the camera: "In my country, citizens can be held indefinitely without any charges being made against them and with no right to see a lawyer..." etc. At the end, it's revealed that he's walking on the waterfront with the New York skyline behind him.

There's another spot featuring kids and the deficit that has a thought-provoking figure I hadn't heard: "In 2002 alone, George W. Bush gave every child in America a debt burden of $7,400."

I think I'll ask the doc to double the Celexa. While I'm still insured.

 

[Gary Chambers]

Optimism: seeking to ingratiate one's self

Cynics get a bad rap, like Liberals. Who says it's bad to be cynical?

Ben Bradlee had a banner made and hung across the wall of the Washington Post newsroom. It read: "Constructive pessimism please, not destructive cyncism."

Of course, at the time he was something of an icon and his stunts were sure to garner publicity, so it was probably just a ploy to curry favour with those who felt The Post was too cynical.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Re: Re: BUSH IN 30 SECONDS

Min, I voted for "Brother Can You Spare A Job."

Of course, as a Floridian I vote early and often. That was just my first.

As a Floridian you might enjoy

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/

The flash cartoon how the bush stole the election.


-Colly

 

[minsue]

Re: Re: Re: BUSH IN 30 SECONDS

As a Floridian you might enjoy

http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/

The flash cartoon how the bush stole the election.


-Colly

Thank you for posting that link! ROFLMAO! I'm so happy & amused I'll even refrain from questioning your staunch refusal to admit the liberal lurking inside you!

- Mindy

 

[Guest]

Colly, my fave bits: the boots, and the look on the cat's face.

Thanks, Perdita

 

[shereads]

Thank you for the link, Comrade Colleen.

 

[Quasimodem]

I noticed that you failed to mention cable TV guy hair and News Anchor hiar. Not sure what category they fit into but...

THAT category, of course, is Charlie McCarthy hair.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Re: Re: Re: Re: BUSH IN 30 SECONDS

Thank you for posting that link! ROFLMAO! I'm so happy & amused I'll even refrain from questioning your staunch refusal to admit the liberal lurking inside you!

- Mindy

Glad you enjoyed. One of the strongest of my beliefs is a healthy skeptisism for everything I hear and read. If you are going to form an opinion and be able to feel comfortable in that opinion then you have to research it. If you plan on standing up for what you believe you had best make sure you have researched it from angels other than your leanings. An intelligent conservatism requires that you keep an open mind and don't close out news and views that don't fit just because you don't want to hear them.

I am a regular visitor to sites that lean so far to the left they are almost falling over. I try to authenticate things I read from multiple sources and if possible to get both left and right op/ed on them. That particular site along with Markfiroe.com lean way left, but rather than being holier than though preachy they are just tummy busting funny. I thought most of you guys would appreciate it.

Incidently, to debunk this vicious rumor that I might be liberal. i don't think Bush stole the election. I think Al Gore tried to steal it and embarassed us all in the eyes of the world due to his single minded conviction he was born to be president. Nevertheless it was worth a chuckle to see the opposite view

-Colly

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Colly, my fave bits: the boots, and the look on the cat's face.

Thanks, Perdita

Being a big Doctor Seuss fan and in particular a grinch fan (the animated one, not thelive action crappy one) I loved the Boris Karloffesque narrator and the way bush's smile is just like the grinches when the grench gets a "Wonderful, awful idea!"

So glad it gave you a gigle

-Colly

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Thank you for the link, Comrade Colleen.

My pleasure. Being my primary debate opponent I felt like I owed you some smiles for the mental stimulation you have given me lately

-Colly

 

[shereads]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BUSH IN 30 SECONDS

i don't think Bush stole the election. I think Al Gore tried to steal it and embarassed us all in the eyes of the world due to his single minded conviction he was born to be president.

It was useful practice for being embarrassed in the eyes of the world.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I don't get the Fleetwood Mac-reference?

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BUSH IN 30 SECONDS

It was useful practice for being embarrassed in the eyes of the world.

Perhaps, but it served a very useful purpose for me. It left me feeling my impressions of Mr. Gore were correct. G.W's misogynistic leanings have caused me to wonder if my reasoning was sound, but at least I have no doubt the vote was between two evils. I just may have failed to pick the lesser. But then again I may not have.

Crummy way to evaluate your vote isn't it?

-Colly

 

[shereads]

Colleen, if you can think of a couple of ways that the world might have been worse off because Al Gore was alledgedly raised "to think he should be President," bring 'em on in your President's words.

It might have worked out a lot better than one who was raised to think he should be President of the Texas Rangers and/or The United States; coin-toss.

 

[shereads]

I heard Tipper Gore in a radio interview last year, defending her husband against charges from people in his own party that he ran an inept campaign.

She pointed out that Al Gore won more votes than any single Democratic candidate in U.S. history.

In that light, and knowing that he already had the popular vote in his pocket and was within a few hundred disputed votes of a victory in the electoral college, it would have taken a rare human being to bow out gracefully. Especially considering all that he believed was at stake. Not just personally, but for the country.

Can any one of us say we'd have been willing to shake hands and congratulate our opponent under those circumstances, without first making damn sure it was necessary?

It wasn't just about being a winner or loser from a personal standpoint. It was about trying to stop someone from taking office whom he - rightly or wrongly - considered dangerously uninformed and irresponsible.

It was a last-ditch effort to prevent the ultimate takeover of the Executive Branch by the oil industry. Which goes back to just what we were discussing: short-term profits versus the future of the planet.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Colleen, if you can think of a couple of ways that the world might have been worse off because Al Gore was alledgedly raised "to think he should be President," bring 'em on in your President's words.

It might have worked out a lot better than one who was raised to think he should be President of the Texas Rangers and/or The United States; coin-toss.

It might have, it might not have.

I don't think I am going to jump into the realm of hypotheticals with you on ole Al. For anything I postulate he might have done wrong you could easily find something just as egrigious that Dubya DID do. Also anything I postulate he might have done wrong you can argue, just as effectively he wouldn't have done that. i stand alone in enough dbeates where I stand some chance of winning or at least holding my own. I don't think I'll jump into one where I can't possibly win.

I enjoy mental stimulation, but I am no mashochist

-Colly

 

[shereads]

i stand alone in enough dbeates where I stand some chance of winning or at least holding my own.

Not to worry, Colly. As the name of the thread reminds us, God is on your side in this one. That's as far from standing alone as you can get!

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I heard Tipper Gore in a radio interview last year, defending her husband against charges from people in his own party that he ran an inept campaign.

She pointed out that Al Gore won more votes than any single Democratic candidate in U.S. history.

In that light, and knowing that he already had the popular vote in his pocket and was within a few hundred disputed votes of a victory in the electoral college, it would have taken a rare human being to bow out gracefully. Especially considering all that he believed was at stake. Not just personally, but for the country.

Can any one of us say we'd have been willing to shake hands and congratulate our opponent under those circumstances, without first making damn sure it was necessary?

It wasn't just about being a winner or loser from a personal standpoint. It was about trying to stop someone from taking office whom he - rightly or wrongly - considered dangerously uninformed and irresponsible.

It was a last-ditch effort to prevent the ultimate takeover of the Executive Branch by the oil industry. Which goes back to just what we were discussing: short-term profits versus the future of the planet.

All right She, my view of the election debacle. I think I posted this somewhere already, but I will post it again.

Florida is disputed and that state's electoral votes can swing the election to one or the other candidate. Bush has won the election in the initial voting.

3 Choices for Al.

1.) Bow out gracefully like others have in the past.

2.) Call for a state wide recount, a recount that Florida election law provides for and which could not be challeneged on the federal level by the republicans.

3.) Call for a recount only in heavily democratic precincts. This is not provided for in anyone's election law and will most certainly face a federal challenge.

Leaving one, which is the traditional and usually deemed honorable answer aside for a moment lets look at two and three.

2 is leagal and fair and if you really meant "Let every vote count" as anything other than a cheap fucking slogan it's the right thing to do. No chance of a USSC challenge and no need to test even florida's constitution because it's like Ea sports Games, it's in there.

Problem here is you just don't recount Miami/Dade and West Palm, you count Seminole and other republican strongholds as well as a hand count of the Absentee ballots which are almot all from service men and almost all republican. Your odds of gaining the neccessary votes? No better than 50-50, but it's fair, equitable and will let everyone's vote count.

3 is not leagal, nor fair and will certainly face a challenge in the USSC. However, if you count only the votes again where there is a firm Democratic majority the odds of you picking up enough votes, especially since those recounting in those precincts will be Democrats is about 80-90%.

Problem here is you have to expalin to the USSC why recounting in your precincts only isn't a violation of the federal laws that demand equitable voting practices.

Chances the USSC will allow you to recount where you want? No way to tell, no nimrod has ever taken election results to the court system before.

Gore chose to try to recount the votes of his people only. "Let every vote count" should have been "Let every vote for me count". If you are going to hammer Bush for being unable to tell the truth once he got into office then you can start hammering Al before he ever got there for deception, evasion and just plain ole freaking trying to play the game by his rules.

I'll get down off my soap box now so as to make a smaller target when the tomates start flying.

-Colly

 

[shereads]

If it makes you feel any better, there was a local election in Fort Lauderdale last week for which the votes are still being hand-recounted.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

If it makes you feel any better, there was a local election in Fort Lauderdale last week for which the votes are still being hand-recounted.

Yes, they are being recounted beacuse your state constitution provides for recounts in close elections. Did either of the candidates try to have the recount done only in his wards?

-Colly