God Rigs Election: It's Bush In A "blowout"

Excerpt from longer article (url below):

Secret Names - David Mamet (Threepenny Review, Winter 2004)

If we say that "the government" has "lowered the threat level," we must mean that the government is in charge of the threat. Semantically, what else is the meaning of this "color code"? One cannot act differently on a day coded red than on one coded orange, and indeed no one even suggests that one can. We are urged to "be more vigilant," but the phrase cannot be acted upon. He who defends everything defends nothing, as Napoleon said.

So semantically—that is, as judged by the way in which words influence thought and so action—the proclamation of the threat level is an admission that there is no threat. Or that if a threat exists, the government is powerless to deal with it. And that those who accept the reiteration of the threat level have submitted, like the employee who accepts docilely her new pet name, and are thenceforward complicit in their own manipulation, daily trading submission first for an abatement of anxiety and, as time goes by, for painful and shameful self-examination.

A public relations genius insisted that the Warner Brothers cable network be referred to as The WB. For as we do it, we are theirs.

The construction itself has no special meaning, it is simply an obeisance, and as such is in fact more powerful for the absence of content. As this obeisance passes, like "Sold American," from the conscious into the automatic, we no longer recognize its provenance; it becomes a habit.

I instance the phrase "weapons of mass destruction." This formulation is overlong, clunky, and obviously confected. This is not to say that this or that dictator, or indeed well-meaning soul, may or does not possess such tools. But the formulation itself is unwieldy and, to the American ear, unfortunate. It is the cadence of "I'm not going to tell you again." Rhyth-mically, it is a scold. And its constant enforced repetition by the newscasters (you will note that the people in the street do not use it often, and then with little ease), its very awkwardness, ensures that the phrase, and thus its reference, pass beyond the borders of consideration. Like The WB.

For our mind tends toward the creation of habit. And the choice, faced with the unacceptable phrase, is this: constant, vigilant, unpopular opposition, or habitual acceptance. We submit in order to avoid the burden of hypocrisy.

I will recommend to the interested Bruno Bettleheim's writings on the Nazi salute.

Similarly, homeland security is a concept close to all of our hearts. We live in a wonderful country, which has for years enjoyed a blessed freedom from attack. The phrase "Homeland Security," however, is confected and rings false, for America has many nicknames. The Vietnam servicemen referred to it as The World; we might call it, lovingly, the U. S. of A. Many of us have thrilled to the immigration officer who stamps our passports and says, "Welcome home," a true act of graciousness. But none of us has ever referred to our country as The Homeland. It is a European construction, as Die Heimat, or The Motherland, or Das Vaterland. There is nothing wrong with the phrase; I merely state that it is confected, it is not a naturally occurring American phrase, and it rings false. And as it rings false, we, correctly or not, will question the motives of those who created it for our benefit. As we do the "coalition of the willing."

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Min,

The ones to truely fear are not the ones who are happy to give up thier freedoms for protection. The ones to fear are those who don't see that they are making a decision involving loss for gain.

If you haven't done anything wrong then you have nothing to fear is the scariest phrase one can utter to me right now. It shows a complete lack of understanding that whether you have anything to hide or not you are giving up your freedom to privacy. Once that protection is gone who is to say they won't change the defnition of wrong? People who can honestly tell themselves they have nothing to fear and thus don't have any problems with the invasion of their privacy are the ones that scare me.

-Colly
 
Colleen Thomas said:
Min,

The ones to truely fear are not the ones who are happy to give up thier freedoms for protection. The ones to fear are those who don't see that they are making a decision involving loss for gain.

If you haven't done anything wrong then you have nothing to fear is the scariest phrase one can utter to me right now. It shows a complete lack of understanding that whether you have anything to hide or not you are giving up your freedom to privacy. Once that protection is gone who is to say they won't change the defnition of wrong? People who can honestly tell themselves they have nothing to fear and thus don't have any problems with the invasion of their privacy are the ones that scare me.

-Colly

You're quite right in there. My dear, sweet husband is one of those people. He honestly doesn't understand why police should have to get a warrant to search your house, car, or person. It's hard to live with someone knowing full well that if someone showed up at the door with a badge of any kind he would open up & let them do whatever they pleased.

We've argued that & other topics back & forth so many times I'm sure I have all of his reasons memorized by now. The most common, and to me the most disturbing, is that age old, "Why should they need a warrant? If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear." Of course, this is from a man who also doesn't think the fifth ammendment should exist & no one should have the right to refuse to incriminate themselves.

I love him to death, but sometimes I just want to shake him. It frightens me because he is an otherwise intelligent person & I know there are many others like him out there!

- Mindy
 
minsue said:
You're quite right in there. My dear, sweet husband is one of those people. He honestly doesn't understand why police should have to get a warrant to search your house, car, or person. It's hard to live with someone knowing full well that if someone showed up at the door with a badge of any kind he would open up & let them do whatever they pleased.

We've argued that & other topics back & forth so many times I'm sure I have all of his reasons memorized by now. The most common, and to me the most disturbing, is that age old, "Why should they need a warrant? If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear." Of course, this is from a man who also doesn't think the fifth ammendment should exist & no one should have the right to refuse to incriminate themselves.

I love him to death, but sometimes I just want to shake him. It frightens me because he is an otherwise intelligent person & I know there are many others like him out there!

- Mindy

I am very big on being tough on crime, but I also feel that those who enforce the law are just as bound to obey it as those they investigate. Unfortuneatly you rhubby's stance is very popular among the tough on crime crowd. Fear of being a victim of crime is stronger than fear of being a victim of the system. I can't say that either is particularly rosey in my view, but I don't choose to believe a second coming of the Gestapo is really going to help.

And thats basically what such people advocate. A Police state where there are no checks on the constabulary. Judicial oversight is very important, even if the judiciary bows to pressure at least they are there to see that no one disappears into the night. People with this view are John Ashcrofts best friends and I would prefer that that man reamin friendless.

-Colly
 
Remind your husband that in Georgia, until recently at least, there was still a law on the books that made it illegal for a husband and wife to engage in oral sex and other unnatural acts. It wouldn't take much research to find laws in every free country that are equally absurd and outmoded, but which could and will be used to prosecute someone whose political or religious views make him a threat to the status quo.

Ask hubby if he would mind having police come into the bedroom periodically to monitor your sex lives and make sure you do it in the missionary position. If you were living in Romania under the previous regime, they might also have searched the house for condoms or birth control pills, which were both illegal.

The question isn't whether some of us object more than others to the humiliation of having our privacy invaded by a big brother who claims to know what's best for us and wants to keep us from doing something wrong - It's whether any of us can be sure that the things we care about - the organizations and clubs we belong to - the books we read - the people we invite into our homes to air controversial views - will never fall on the unwelcome side of "right and wrong" under the law.
 
shereads said:
Remind your husband that in Georgia, until recently at least, there was still a law on the books that made it illegal for a husband and wife to engage in oral sex and other unnatural acts. It wouldn't take much research to find laws in every free country that are equally absurd and outmoded, but which could and will be used to prosecute someone whose political or religious views make him a threat to the status quo.

Ask hubby if he would mind having police come into the bedroom periodically to monitor your sex lives and make sure you do it in the missionary position. If you were living in Romania under the previous regime, they might also have searched the house for condoms or birth control pills, which were both illegal.

The question isn't whether some of us object more than others to the humiliation of having our privacy invaded by a big brother who claims to know what's best for us and wants to keep us from doing something wrong - It's whether any of us can be sure that the things we care about - the organizations and clubs we belong to - the books we read - the people we invite into our homes to air controversial views - will never fall on the unwelcome side of "right and wrong" under the law.

Good ol' Arizona had a similar law until about a year ago. Amazingly enough it was quite a controversy when being debated in the legislature & in the public forum. Equally amazing, to me anyway, is that the push to get it repealed came from the large elderly contingent of our community. It seems that they didn't want to remarry because it would mean they received less money from Social Security, but they did not like the fact that even co-habitating was against the law. They didn't like the idea of sex for all us degenerates being legal, but were concerned enough that they could be arrested under the old law to fight to have it repealed.

Didn't do any good to mention that law to my husband, actually. He just shrugged & said that it wouldn't be enforced so why did I care that it was on the books? I love him deeply, but often wonder just how in the hell we got together. I guess we were too busy falling in love for me to think to check out his politics first! ;)

- Mindy
 
minsue said:
I love him deeply, but often wonder just how in the hell we got together. I guess we were too busy falling in love for me to think to check out his politics first! ;)

I understand Min. I once married a man who turned out to be a Neil Diamond fan. Got most incensed when I insisted that "no one to care, not even the chair," was the work of an idiot.
 
Min, remind hubbie that someday us liberals will be back in power and we're going to use the "safeguards" Ashcroft has put into place to round up the conservatives and herd them into camps.

:D
 
Make those "band camps" and I'll be happy. (Just in case: ref. is American Pie.)

Perdita
 
shereads said:
Min, remind hubbie that someday us liberals will be back in power and we're going to use the "safeguards" Ashcroft has put into place to round up the conservatives and herd them into camps.

:D

Speaking to him of anything political is pretty much useless. I'm always on my soapbox about something so he pretty much nods along with glazed over eyes. I can't complain, I do the same whenever he attempts to explain anything Everquest related.

As for the camps, I want to find that funny. I really do. Unfortunately, it all just makes me queasy.

- Mindy
 
shereads said:
Min, remind hubbie that someday us liberals will be back in power and we're going to use the "safeguards" Ashcroft has put into place to round up the conservatives and herd them into camps.

:D
At the risk of sounding humorless (and I confess I lose my sense of humor when things get serious), real liberals won't do that.

The current ideological conflict has perverted the definitions of "liberal" and "conservative."

"Liberal" is now equated to "leftist," rather than it's true meaning: open-minded and anti-authoritarian. "Conservative" has been equally distorted, but I'll let the conservatives make their own case.

Authoritarians, whether on the left or right, will gladly lock their enemies (real or perceived) up. Real liberals won't.

Your point is still excellent. Tools of oppression, once created, will be directed against those people that the current rulers dislike. Rulers will eventually change.
 
minsue said:
As for the camps, I want to find that funny. I really do. Unfortunately, it all just makes me queasy.

- Mindy
It makes me feel queasy, too. I feel we're alarmingly close to concentration camps. With luck and courage, we may avoid it.
 
I really did mean band camps, Perdita.

A few years ago, a friend of mine recommended to her mom that she go see American Beauty. Her mom said she'd wait until it came on TV. One night she called my friend, all excited, and said, "That American movie you like is coming on cable tonight." My friend said, "Don't just watch it; lock the dogs out of the room, turn off the phone, and immerse yourself in this movie. It will change your life."

Two hours later she got a call from her mom who said, "Honey, I didn't think the movie was that great. Plus the thing with the pie was not funny at all. And where was Annette Bening?"

Poor Mom. I often wonder what went through her mind while she watched that flick, wondering why her daughter said 'It will change your life.'"
 
minsue said:
Good ol' Arizona had a similar law until about a year ago. Amazingly enough it was quite a controversy when being debated in the legislature & in the public forum. Equally amazing, to me anyway, is that the push to get it repealed came from the large elderly contingent of our community. It seems that they didn't want to remarry because it would mean they received less money from Social Security, but they did not like the fact that even co-habitating was against the law. They didn't like the idea of sex for all us degenerates being legal, but were concerned enough that they could be arrested under the old law to fight to have it repealed.

Didn't do any good to mention that law to my husband, actually. He just shrugged & said that it wouldn't be enforced so why did I care that it was on the books? I love him deeply, but often wonder just how in the hell we got together. I guess we were too busy falling in love for me to think to check out his politics first! ;)

- Mindy


You're not allowed to buy sex toys in arkansas (or alabama...I forget which one of the "A" southern states it is)
 
The Patriot Act is a subject rich with irony. I've argued its merits with Cuban exiles here in Miami who maintain that it's worth giving up some civil liberties if it can help prevent someone like Castro from coming to power and taking away our freedom.

Which freedoms, specifically, are we trying to protect, I asked

Got back angry stares.
 
deliciously_naughty said:
You're not allowed to buy sex toys in arkansas (or alabama...I forget which one of the "A" southern states it is)
It's illegal to sell sex toys in Texas. I don't know which other southern states have similar laws.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
Min,

The ones to truely fear are not the ones who are happy to give up thier freedoms for protection. The ones to fear are those who don't see that they are making a decision involving loss for gain.

If you haven't done anything wrong then you have nothing to fear is the scariest phrase one can utter to me right now. It shows a complete lack of understanding that whether you have anything to hide or not you are giving up your freedom to privacy. Once that protection is gone who is to say they won't change the defnition of wrong? People who can honestly tell themselves they have nothing to fear and thus don't have any problems with the invasion of their privacy are the ones that scare me.

-Colly

If all Bush supporters were like Colly, there would be more mixed marriages. Spending one's life in the company of a mind this sharp could be worth the pain of a sex change. I only have one outstanding question for her. This is not meant to be argumentative, I'm just genuinely confused about this: "If you're wearing hand-me-down running shoes, why are you a Republican?"

Hearts and flowers for Colleen: :heart: :rose:
 
Gary Chambers said:
If all Bush supporters were like Colly, there would be more mixed marriages. Spending one's life in the company of a mind this sharp could be worth the pain of a sex change. I only have one outstanding question for her. This is not meant to be argumentative, I'm just genuinely confused about this: "If you're wearing hand-me-down running shoes, why are you a Republican?"

Hearts and flowers for Colleen: :heart: :rose:


LOL, thanks for the rose :)

I could say that I am just very frugal and thats why my running shoes are hand me downs. Of course the exorbitant amount of money I spend on my lingerie each year belies that argument :).

In essence I am more conservative than republican. I prefer a measured and rational approach to things and abhor change for the sake of change. I was raised by children of the fifties in a very traditional and in some ways very backwards state. I didn't hear rock & roll until I was 13, didn't go to a movie that wasn't disney till I was 17, had my first date at 18 and was still a virgin when I finished my freshman year at college.

I was an A student throughout my scolastic career and love mental exercise. I was on the debate team and the history bowl team. The only girl on the chess team and the only female member of the astronomy club. I have always had an insatiable desire for knowledge.

Given that background I am a very rational thinker. I discovered very early on that liberals were prone to think with their hearts and not their heads. All to often debate with one devolved into them stridently stating their position in the face of strong arguments against it and the final resort was to call me heartless.

True story: In philosophy class I was accused of being the anti-christ for methodically debunking each of the arguments for the existance of God. I firmly believe in God, but that didn't stop me from taking on the mental challenge of deconstructing the arguments for his existance. That very emotional response, devoid of even listening to the argument is to me typical of the majority of liberals I have argued with and it leaves me feeling very disturbed. You can believe it with all your heart but yelling it louder than I speak and believing it with all your heart dosen't make it so.

As I have grown older I have met some liberals who can not only defend their own position, but can put me in a very tight bind defending my own. Conversly I have also run into a dissapointingly large number of conservatives who cannot defend their positions and resort to the same emotional appeals or more often religious appeals to support their views. I vote republican more often than not simply because the GOP is less likely to act in a way I consider rash. Or was up until recently. The Neo conservatives are anathema to me. They are not conservative in any sense of the word as I understand it. What they are is a group of rectionaries in the guise of conservatives.

Back to my shoes, I am not rich or even comfortable, but I support the party I think does the most for me. In recent months I have become disconcertingly aware of the fact that neither party really does much for me.

-Colly
 
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Colly - Are you the antichrist?

'Cause if you are, I, um, you know, didn't mean it if I ever made you mad and stuff.

(gulp)

While you were being called the antichrist, i was being labeled a trouble-maker and "a bra burning feminist" because I was the only girl in our high school who refused to participate in the Betty Crocker Bake-Off. I liked my bras, and never wanted to burn one, but if they had been cakes I'd have burned them for sure.

I'm a registered Democrat even though it's about as rewarding as being a fan of the University of South Carolina Fighting Gamecocks, but without the fun cheers.

For a couple of reasons:

I'm an issue voter, and although not all the people I've voted for have towed the party line on my issues, they said they would and their opponents said the opposite. My issues are abortion rights, equality of rights in the workplace, preservation of ecosystems and wilderness lands, conservation of natural resources, and corporate accountability on issues of pollution, public safety, and the more encompassing "screwing people over because we can." Not that those are the only issues I care about, but they're the ones I look at first when candidates speak. I was a Nixon republican the first time I voted; I was thrilled to have the right to vote and was still basically listening to daddy and my peers; my peers were overwhelmingly conservative Republicans, and I didn't want to alienate myself any more than I had with the Betty Crocker Bake-Off debacle. I also despise hypocrisy, of which the first example that ever seriously got my youthful hackles up was George Bush I changing his mind on the Equal Rights Amendment and abortion choice. Issues that are typically so ingrained in someone's consciousness that nobody changes their mind, no matter the argument. Certainly they don't do it overnight, because they've been added to the Presidential ticket, unless the invidisual is - as Doonesbury once said of Bush I - "putting his manhood in a blind trust" for the sake of expediency.

I also just despise that purse-lipped look that's worn by the Arlen Specters and Ken Starrs and John Ashcrofts of the GOP, who tend to look like they smell sin and are barely restraining themselves from holding perfumed hankies to their faces so they can stomach America.

:rolleyes:
 
shereads said:
Colly - Are you the antichrist?

'Cause if you are, I, um, you know, didn't mean it if I ever made you mad and stuff.

(gulp)

While you were being called the antichrist, i was being labeled a trouble-maker and "a bra burning feminist" because I was the only girl in our high school who refused to participate in the Betty Crocker Bake-Off. I liked my bras, and never wanted to burn one, but if they had been cakes I'd have burned them for sure.

I'm a registered Democrat even though it's about as rewarding as being a fan of the University of South Carolina Fighting Gamecocks, but without the fun cheers.

For a couple of reasons:

I'm an issue voter, and although not all the people I've voted for have towed the party line on my issues, they said they would and their opponents said the opposite. My issues are abortion rights, equality of rights in the workplace, preservation of ecosystems and wilderness lands, conservation of natural resources, and corporate accountability on issues of pollution, public safety, and the more encompassing "screwing people over because we can." Not that those are the only issues I care about, but they're the ones I look at first when candidates speak. I was a Nixon republican the first time I voted; I was thrilled to have the right to vote and was still basically listening to daddy and my peers; my peers were overwhelmingly conservative Republicans, and I didn't want to alienate myself any more than I had with the Betty Crocker Bake-Off debacle. I also despise hypocrisy, of which the first example that ever seriously got my youthful hackles up was George Bush I changing his mind on the Equal Rights Amendment and abortion choice. Issues that are typically so ingrained in someone's consciousness that nobody changes their mind, no matter the argument. Certainly they don't do it overnight, because they've been added to the Presidential ticket, unless the invidisual is - as Doonesbury once said of Bush I - "putting his manhood in a blind trust" for the sake of expediency.

I also just despise that purse-lipped look that's worn by the Arlen Specters and Ken Starrs and John Ashcrofts of the GOP, who tend to look like they smell sin and are barely restraining themselves from holding perfumed hankies to their faces so they can stomach America.

:rolleyes:

LOL,

Even if I were the anti-christ you wuld be perfectly safe. Except for finding you really sexy for your intellect I would be too busy organizing arrmegeddon to bother you ;)

My first look at a candidate is for something beyond the issues. Is he or she a good person? Would I trust them with something important?

Usually the answer is no and no, but if the answer is yes I will generally not let their stand on hot button issues affect me. For me Women's rights are very important, as well as fiscal responsibility, a strong stance against crime, and a strong support of my civil rights.

-Colly
 
Colleen Thomas said:
My first look at a candidate is for something beyond the issues. Is he or she a good person? Would I trust them with something important?

The better the PR machine, the more likely that evidence of serious character flaws will be buried so deep that the mainstream press hardly notices that someone, oh, let's say...is on the record having lied about military combat experience; lied about drunk driving arrest in same press conference where he critisized the other candidate's honesty; failed to fulfill National Guard duty; gave multiple explanations for failure to file stock sales with SEC; you know the list, so don't make me come over there!

Let's say that Mother Theresa was running for President and Gandhi was going to be her running mate, and they were running on a pro-life ticket and also wanted to make it illegal for mothers to work outside the home.

On the opposite ticket were two relative unknowns who didn't seem very likeable, maybe one of them was even rumored to have had sexual affairs, but whose voting records and other evidence in the public record indicated that they were staunch supporters of your favorite hot-button issues.

Would you vote the MOM/GANDHI ticket?

-------

Would you feel betrayed later if it turned out that she's no saint and he's selling babies on the blackmarket to pay off his Vegas gambling debts?
 
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shereads said:
The better the PR machine, the more likely that evidence of serious character flaws will be buried so deep that the mainstream press hardly notices that someone, oh, let's say...is on the record having lied about military combat experience; lied about drunk driving arrest in same press conference where he critisized the other candidate's honesty; failed to fulfill National Guard duty; gave multiple explanations for failure to file stock sales with SEC; you know the list, so don't make me come over there!

Let's say that Mother Theresa was running for President and Gandhi was going to be her running mate, and they were running on a pro-life ticket and also wanted to make it illegal for mothers to work outside the home.

On the opposite ticket were two relative unknowns who didn't seem very likeable, maybe one of them was even rumored to have had sexual affairs, but whose voting records and other evidence in the public record indicated that they were staunch supporters of your favorite hot-button issues.

Would you vote the MOM/GANDHI ticket?

LOL,

I did say I would generally ignore the hot button issues. If that was their platform I would probably vote against them even if the other ticket was H.Clinton/Gore. Probably, I can't promise, but probably ;).

-Colly
 
Brazil Fingerprinting All America Tourists

I'm sure this must make me un-American, but this just tickles my funny bone.

Brazil Fingerprints U.S. Visitors, Ignores Rio Ruling

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) - Brazil's controversial fingerprinting of U.S. visitors will remain in force despite a court order won by tourist mecca Rio de Janeiro to suspend the measure, officials said on Monday.

A judge on Friday suspended the original court ruling that imposed the fingerprinting of U.S. travelers but he left the final decision up to the federal government. And on Saturday the foreign ministry said it would keep the system in place in Rio and the rest of Brazil for at least 30 days.

Rio had filed the appeal, saying the fingerprinting would harm tourism. U.S. tourists spend about $250 million in Rio each year.

At Rio's international airport and at the sea port, U.S. tourists were again waiting on Monday in the long lines that have become common since the system went into effect on Jan. 1 in response to a similar U.S. scheme.

The United States on Jan. 5 started fingerprinting and photographing visitors, including Brazilians, who need visas to enter the country as part of anti-terrorism controls. The system exempts citizens of 27 mainly European nations who do not need visas for short trips.

In retaliation, a Brazilian judge ordered the fingerprinting of U.S. visitors.


"It is very frustrating to come to Brazil and spend 45 minutes in the line after long hours on the plane," said Olivia Doerhe, a 20-year-old student from Iowa. She said it took the officials 10 minutes to take her fingerprints and photographs.

Some complained they had been stranded in line while federal police officials were lunching. But airport officials said the time visitors spent waiting was now much shorter.

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and President Bush, in Mexico for the two-day Americas summit, were set to discuss the measure, which has been hailed by many Brazilians but labeled discriminatory by Washington.

Rio mayor's office said the measure had led to cancellations of group tours and damaged the city's economy.

To soften the blow, Rio tourism authorities have take steps to make Americans feel welcome.

Starting on Tuesday U.S. tourists will be greeted with T-shirts saying "Rio loves you" and given souvenirs and flowers as compensation for their discomfort at the airport.



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...0040113/wl_nm/security_fingerprints_brazil_dc

Unfortunately, ever since I read this story I've had "Rio loves me, this I know..." going through my head to the tune of "Jesus Loves Me".

- Mindy
 
Re: Brazil Fingerprinting All America Tourists

minsue said:
I'm sure this must make me un-American, but this just tickles my funny bone.



- Mindy


It sounds to me like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I'll give them credit for standing on prinicpal, but I feel kind of sorry for the people in Rio who are loosing bussiness to that principal.

-Colly
 
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