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MellowMan said:My girlfriend and I are looking to try anal and were wondering what's a good brand of lube to use for anal sex. Any suggestions?
KY Jelly (and generic equivalents) isn't a good sexual lubricant. It was originally formulated for a one-time insertion of doctors' fingers and medical instruments, which is why it gets gummy and dry so quickly. Most people use it because they don't know anything else and/or it's really cheap.wally69 said:Walmart generic brand "Equate lubricating jelly" or you can even use vegetable shortening , wich doesnt dry out, its a little greasy but works well. Any silicone stuff has the potential to irriate the anus..... been there done that....![]()
SweetErika said:KY Jelly (and generic equivalents) isn't a good sexual lubricant. It was originally formulated for a one-time insertion of doctors' fingers and medical instruments, which is why it gets gummy and dry so quickly. Most people use it because they don't know anything else and/or it's really cheap.
It's generally not a good idea to use shortening/Crisco (or other foods, like butter) because:
a) it can coat the walls and cause a bacterial infection
b) it's not safe to use with latex condoms (which, in reality, should always be used for anal)
c) it stains fabrics
d) it must be scooped out into another vessel so the whole tub/stick doesn't become contaminated with bacteria (i.e. you can't safely take some from the tub, touch stuff, then take some more later, without having to throw away the whole tub)
What silicone lube did you have irritation with? Were you using it on a toy, condom, or clean body part with no soap/other residue? Did you try it more than once, on different days?
Having a reaction to silicone are exceedingly rare, which is why it's been used on lubricated condoms successfully for a very long time now (decades, IIRC). My guess is that something else caused your irritation, or the lining was already a bit irritated and the activity caused you to notice it.
Vaginal and anal irritation from water-based lubes, OTOH, is quite common because they usually contain many ingredients, such as glycerin, alcohol and preservatives, which can cause irritation, allergic reactions and imbalances/infections.
Of course it's always smart to get sample/pillow packs of the lubes that look best and give them a try before investing in larger bottles.
SweetErika said:I'd like to see a credible source that says silicone lube is absorbed, or otherwise gets into the body.
When we were considering trying silicone lube, I did a fair amount of research on the safety of it. Lo and behold, I couldn't find anything that said it goes beyond the mucous membranes or is detrimental to our health. It's widely used as a lubricant in food manufacturing and preparation, as well as on condoms, so in terms of health, allergies, etc., it has to be pretty damn safe.
http://www.babeland.com/shoppingadvice/lubeadvice#silicone explains why it's different than the bad effects from the old silicone breast implants. The main difference is that it's not entering the body. I suppose if it were rubbed into a large, gaping wound or something, some would enter the body, but even that would be such a tiny amount that it's very unlikely to have ANY negative effects. Babeland is concerned with health/safety and does its research as well, so I consider it to be a credible source.
Deb, I've never found a silicone lube to get hot, even with a ton of friction, and they've all felt something like silky/velvety oil. Which brand did you have these problems with?
Ron, you can get lots of lubes for under $10 online. Our first real lube was a bottle of Wet Original (which is a fine product; we use that, or ID, when we need water-based) was about $4 on Amazon.com, IIRC. http://www.babeland.com/shoppingadvice/lubeadvice has good advice on the different kinds of lube. I'd suggest checking it out, then googling the type of lube you've decided to try to find the best price.![]()
From what I understand, the silicone molecules are too large to enter through the skin or mucous membranes, like the anal lining. Even IF some did get through, it'd be just a tiny amount because so little is used during sex compared to the amount that leaked out of the implants, even slowly.perfect_deb said:ok - not arguing with you (cos you usually seem to know your stuff....) but, wouldnt using it for anal be putting a large amount directly into the body? And, (playing devils advocate) as was the case with dupont, the company that makes or sells the stuff is not necessarily the best source of info.
I'm interested in the brands people have trouble with because I understand there IS some variation and the brand we've been buying (ID Millenium) is no longer as cheap at the store I've been using, so we may switch eventually.i thought it felt like silky oil too - but that just didnt seem slippery enough and i was sore later. I'm not sure of the brand - i chucked it out anyway because i didnt like it - but i'll check which one it was when i go shopping next.
I didn't know either, until I read that article on Babeland, I think. I'm usually okay with Wet Original and ID lubes on the few occasions we use them, but Astroglide, KY Jelly (when we didn't know about real lube)and a few others have really played havoc my pussy! When we did switch to silicone, I noticed a reduction in vaginal infections of all types overall (apparently people with PCOS can be more prone to imbalances), and that's definitely one of the reasons we've stuck with it for years.i've always used "wet stuff" water based glycerine gel - but you're right, it causes thrush - i didnt put that together till you mentioned it - i havent used it since (thanks for that tip)
ronaele2006 said:While on lubes, anyone know of a good lube for under ten bucks? I was at an lingerie etc store yesterday and all the ones they had were ten or more. Well, they had single users but I need more than that.![]()
CorsetLvr said:I just bought a big bottle of Astroglide at my local grocery store for aroung $6-7. The mark up at lingerie stores and other "specialty" shops is going to be a lot higher then at a grocery or drug store.
Using vaseline is a really bad idea. Its pertoleum based (chemically known as petrolatum). Vaseline has been shown to cause a lot of bad things, including depressing the immune system. Think about it like drinking gasoline, except going in the reverse direction.south_florida_bicur said:Are we talking about lubes with or without condoms?
In the past, I used either vaseline during sex but most of the time we never used a lube.
Currently, I've been using vaseline with my anal toy. Its not messy and stays slick for long periods of time.
CorsetLvr said:Using vaseline is a really bad idea. Its pertoleum based (chemically known as petrolatum). Vaseline has been shown to cause a lot of bad things, including depressing the immune system. Think about it like drinking gasoline, except going in the reverse direction.![]()
Oil-based lube like Vasoline will break down any toys containing latex/rubber (so, rubber, jelly, cyberskin, etc.), just as it does condoms. That, along with the health risks (in addition to what CorsetLvr said, vasoline can be a problem because the the body can not get rid of it, which can cause infection), make it a poor choice for insertion overall. It's fine for penile or clit masturbation, but shouldn't be inserted.south_florida_bicur said:I found it to work the best. Alot of lubes out there are to watery. So if you use an anal toy for a long period of time then you constantly need to keep on lubing up.
I bought (think its called) anal-ease which was good but it was very much like Vaseline only much more expensive. Since then I've been using Vaseline.
Remember: I only use it for anal toys
SweetErika said:Oil-based lube like Vasoline will break down any toys containing latex/rubber (so, rubber, jelly, cyberskin, etc.), just as it does condoms. That, along with the health risks (in addition to what CorsetLvr said, vasoline can be a problem because the the body can not get rid of it, which can cause infection), make it a poor choice for insertion overall. It's fine for penile or clit masturbation, but shouldn't be inserted.
There are safe oil-based lubes made specifically for male masturbation and anal play.
And anal-eze (or however it's spelled) contains a numbing agent which disrupts the body's ability to tell us when damage may be occurring through pain. If one needs to be numbed up to get through/enjoy anal, they're doing something very wrong, like not using enough lube.