Gun Control or what?

[phrodeau]

"That said all the data also suggests that the number of households with a weapon in the house is decreasing."???

I read the same statement, yes that has been SAID, I'm not sure that makes it true. So what events and circumstances explain why significant numbers of households have divested themselves of their firearms? If one were to put that sort of statement out there it would seem entirely appropriate to at the same time have investigated and present the reasons why.

Seems to me that an axe is being ground here, it's being put forth that people who already have way too many weapons are acquiring even more whilst sensible loving caring people are ridding themselves of them, and if you wish to consider yourself part of the latter group, you should likewise join them in not having arms. And, not incidentally, support the taking of the weapons of the former group.

But I could be wrong...

No, let the babies have their bottles. The culture is slowly changing, and eventually the number of gun owners will naturally shrink to a safer level.

 

[Sean Renaud]

"That said all the data also suggests that the number of households with a weapon in the house is decreasing."???

I read the same statement, yes that has been SAID, I'm not sure that makes it true. So what events and circumstances explain why significant numbers of households have divested themselves of their firearms? If one were to put that sort of statement out there it would seem entirely appropriate to at the same time have investigated and present the reasons why.

Seems to me that an axe is being ground here, it's being put forth that people who already have way too many weapons are acquiring even more whilst sensible loving caring people are ridding themselves of them, and if you wish to consider yourself part of the latter group, you should likewise join them in not having arms. And, not incidentally, support the taking of the weapons of the former group.

But I could be wrong...

The answer that has most often been given is that people are more likely now than at any time in the past to live in an urban area as opposed to a rural one. People hunt for sport now and sure people still eat what they hunt but the number of people who hunt to eat instead of for shits and giggles is decreasing. The majority of farming has (like every industry) largely been taken over by megacorps. Yes there are still family farms, some of them even in cities so there are still people who need to go defend the chickens against foxes and the like. In addition (and this is has been true throughout all of history) liberals/progressives tend to live in cities and for various reasons bring their rules along with them that often make ownerships of weapons more difficult than other places. (To obvious varying degrees of both intent and success)

Of course it could just be that people are increasingly distrustful of their government and are all lying. I doubt it.

For me being results oriented I'm not sure I care why the world is safer now than at any time before it. I'm just happy it is. My interest in finding out why is primarily limited to "keep doing that thing!"

You're, like 99% of conservatives, finding something to bitch about. I'm "mostly" progun. I recognize the threat they produce to a society and I accept that the blood on my hands is my fault. I could crusade to fix the problem or I can carry on. I choose to carry on but with eyes open not singing a silly song.

If I wished for people to BE safer I would push for laws that would create a safter country however.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

No, let the babies have their bottles. The culture is slowly changing, and eventually the number of gun owners will naturally shrink to a safer level.

you r a fucking idiot

 

[JackLuis]

An interesting fact is that the decrease in crime correlates to the banning of leaded gasoline. WTF, you say? Experts postulated that reducing the air borne lead in the atmosphere made us less crime prone.

Imagine what would happen if we reduced the level of Bullshit in our environment? IF Carly hadn't seen the video and the Rethuglicans hadn't jumped all over PP maybe Colorado Springs would just be cold and a topic of conversation. A nut job would be free and and an ice dancing cop would still be alive.

Like wise if Obama, Bush, Clinton... had not spread landmines, smart bombs and shitloads of other nasty crap across the face of the globe, perhaps we wouldn't be talking as much about terrorism?

What if EXXON had released their climate data in the '70's instead of hiding and suppressing it, we wouldn't be faced with fact that we have poisoned our planet so bad fish can't live in our seas?

Just a thought.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Arm the Fish

 

[BotanyBoy]

Imagine what would happen if we reduced the level of Bullshit in our environment?

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/cardfight/images/a/a3/389-Impossibru.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140202010033

 

[Iceprincess12]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/cardfight/images/a/a3/389-Impossibru.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140202010033

I'll take "what" for $200

*wave*

 

[phrodeau]

House Republicans announced today that they need more ass-sitting time before they'll do anything about gun control.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...an-urges-caution-on-gun-legislation/76714608/

(Rep. Paul) Ryan suggested there will be multiple issues Congress can address, whether it's finding gaps in enforcement or passing legislation. But he said there shouldn't be a rush to do either at the risk of "infringing upon the rights of law-abiding citizens."

"We just want to get it right," Ryan said.

 

[VampirTARA]

So you are the ONE tough guy right?

Spoken like a true Liberal that expects a utopia And wants to run everyone's lives. the ones that believe they have all the answers and their way is the correct way. I'm not going to lower myself to your level of name calling, but I will say this someone breaks into my home and tries to harm any member of my family. I will send them to meet their maker with a bullet between her eyes. our founding fathers made the rules of how this country should be , how dare you liberals try to take away what they fought for. this country is to be with others or not with freedoms others do not have. if you want a wimpy country there's plenty of other ones out there to go live in. America Love her for what she is or leave her.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Spoken like a true Liberal that expects a utopia And wants to run everyone's lives. the ones that believe they have all the answers and their way is the correct way. I'm not going to lower myself to your level of name calling, but I will say this someone breaks into my home and tries to harm any member of my family. I will send them to meet their maker with a bullet between her eyes. our founding fathers made the rules of how this country should be , how dare you liberals try to take away what they fought for. this country is to be with others or not with freedoms others do not have. if you want a wimpy country there's plenty of other ones out there to go live in. America Love her for what she is or leave her.

How about I would rather just improve America instead of getting hung up on the wants/needs of America a couple hundred years ago?

I know...that's evil liburhalism but it's also rational!

 

[PoppingTom]

I'm "mostly" progun. I recognize the threat they produce to a society and I accept that the blood on my hands is my fault. I could crusade to fix the problem or I can carry on. I choose to carry on but with eyes open not singing a silly song.

If I wished for people to BE safer I would push for laws that would create a safter country however.

I think, that's pretty it. People would give away their guns if there's no use for it, and with "use" I mean "threat".

But if you live in a society that creates threats instead of getting rid of them, this problem will never change. Some people think the guns are the threat, and less guns means less threat, but the threat is there, society's circumstances are there, with or without guns. The guns just help keeping these circumstances and pretend, you can continue life with that threat, instead of changing anything to get rid of it.

That's just my thought. Keep your guns, like we keep ours. But don't pretend you can't do anything about gun deaths. There's no reaso why you can't.

 

[JackLuis]

Obviously the answer is to keep guns and weapons of destruction out of the hands of mentally unstable. There are a lot of things we could do to keep the crazy bastards from access to guns.

Like voting for Bernie!

Can you imagine Ted's finger over the red button of Armaagedon? What would Ted do, talk to the Iranians or just push the button 'to see what happens?'

 

[Sean Renaud]

Spoken like a true Liberal that expects a utopia And wants to run everyone's lives. the ones that believe they have all the answers and their way is the correct way. I'm not going to lower myself to your level of name calling, but I will say this someone breaks into my home and tries to harm any member of my family. I will send them to meet their maker with a bullet between her eyes. our founding fathers made the rules of how this country should be , how dare you liberals try to take away what they fought for. this country is to be with others or not with freedoms others do not have. if you want a wimpy country there's plenty of other ones out there to go live in. America Love her for what she is or leave her.

And fucking proud of it. Though I must admit I don't have all the answers, just a fair chunk of them. Go ahead shoot someone who breaks into your house, for that matter shoot someone at random. It's clearly your right in Florida.

The Founding Fathers are all dead. Their opinions are largely moot and with damn good reason. Could give a fuck less ultimately what the fought for and as for your freedoms, well those are cute and all but you live in a country with me so we have to negotiate.

How about I would rather just improve America instead of getting hung up on the wants/needs of America a couple hundred years ago?

I know...that's evil liburhalism but it's also rational!

I believe the vernacular is hell yeah.

 

[mark_j]

Yes, I'm a gun owner. I've got a .22 match rifle with peep sights and a .12 gauge shotgun... And I guess I now own the 30/30 that my father owned.

That said...

Most gun owners are pants-wetting cowards.

They are afraid of bad guys breaking in. Terrified of the other. They positively wet themselves at the idea of danger, and then they get a tiny little woody and tell themselves how fucking brave and tough that they are.

Its a vicious circle. Watch news. Wet pants. Buy more ammo. Tell themselves lies.

It would be funny to watch if so many of their wives and children didn't die.

So you are the ONE tough guy right?

Spoken like a true Liberal that expects a utopia And wants to run everyone's lives. the ones that believe they have all the answers and their way is the correct way. I'm not going to lower myself to your level of name calling, but I will say this someone breaks into my home and tries to harm any member of my family. I will send them to meet their maker with a bullet between her eyes. our founding fathers made the rules of how this country should be , how dare you liberals try to take away what they fought for. this country is to be with others or not with freedoms others do not have. if you want a wimpy country there's plenty of other ones out there to go live in. America Love her for what she is or leave her.

WTF?

Since when did I say I wanted to "run your life"?

I think you might want to re-read that passage because the last thing I was doing was advocating "a liberal utopia".

 

[Sean Renaud]

C'mon Mark you've been around long enough to know that brains in conservatives are rare.

 

[Hard_Rom]

You don't need guns to be safe at home from bad guys or from bad guys in governments. Guns make you feel safe. They do not make you safe. In fact the opposite. No statistics say high rate of gun ownership translates into lower crime rate. There is a greater chance of someone who either lives in the home or frequently visits of being shot than a chance burglar.

A Bushmaster is a lousy home defence weapon. Your kids live in a 1/2 steel lined bedroom. I fucking hope so! Get a Taurus Judge firing custom loads of very light shot or even rock salt that won't penetrate too many interior partition walls. Make lots of noise, smoke and flame. Deadly at close quarters.

All gun owners can do is cuddle their guns like a teddy bear, dolly or blankie and pretend that they are safe from the boogie man.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You don't need guns to be safe at home from bad guys or from bad guys in governments.

Then who will protect me and my home? What am I to use? Harsh language?

Guns make you feel safe. They do not make you safe. In fact the opposite.

Then why do the police, security agents/guards and military personnel the world over carry them to protect us?

A Bushmaster is a lousy home defence weapon.

Since when? Who told you that lie??

Your kids live in a 1/2 steel lined bedroom. I fucking hope so! Get a Taurus Judge firing custom loads of very light shot or even rock salt that won't penetrate too many interior partition walls. Make lots of noise, smoke and flame. Deadly at close quarters.

You're advocating a pistol over a rifle for defense? LMFAO you really should stop spreading such bad misinformation.

 

[phrodeau]

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Then who will protect me and my home? What am I to use? Harsh language?

Prayer will give you better results than ammo.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Prayer will give you better results than ammo.

Not really been my experience but if that works for you cool....

 

[Hard_Rom]

Prayer will give you better results than ammo.

Peace, order and good government will get you further.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Then who will protect me and my home? What am I to use? Harsh language?

You walk around with a hard hat on in case something heavy falls on your head? Do you wear a helmet while driving? 80% of traffic fatalities would be saved if we wore helmets while driving. Lots of chances of getting in a car accident. More likely than being a victim of a crime. A helmet may save your life before your gun will. But a helmet makes you look wimpy and gun makes you look strong.

What if? OOH! The boogie man is coming! Go buy a crash helmet and a fire extinguisher. Better safety investment than a gun.

 

[phrodeau]

Not really been my experience but if that works for you cool....

How often has ammo protected your home?

 

[VampirTARA]

How about I would rather just improve America instead of getting hung up on the wants/needs of America a couple hundred years ago?

I know...that's evil liburhalism but it's also rational!

Rational only in your liberal mind typical liberals want to control everybody and every aspect of their lives, the people that love their guns are the ones who won this country from the British so that you can have your freedom. if it was up to the Liberals we would have either been still under British control or just taken over by the Nazi Germany.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Rational only in your liberal mind typical liberals want to control everybody and every aspect of their lives, the people that love their guns are the ones who won this country from the British so that you can have your freedom. if it was up to the Liberals we would have either been still under British control or just taken over by the Nazi Germany.

No it's just plain rational. The people who loved their guns are the ones who won this country from the brits? Please for the love of everything unholy come back to Earth. You're talking about two hundred plus year old liberals. Conservatives were the ones who stayed loyal. That is literally the definition of a conservative.

You can make your incoherent argument about Nazis all you like but not that first bit of bull.

 

[VampirTARA]

WTF?

Since when did I say I wanted to "run your life"?

I think you might want to re-read that passage because the last thing I was doing was advocating "a liberal utopia".

My apologies, I was tired and I read the quote you had up, as something you had said. my comment was meant to be directed at the person that made that quote. once again my apologies but I referred to all liberals, as wanting to r control everyone's life's, from guns, on how to raise your children, to how much electricity I can use, or what I can eat