Gun Control or what?

[NeverEndingMe]

Statistical bullshit.

http://www.politifact.com/rhode-isl...mon-welfare-programs-pay-equivalent-2083-hou/

has your mom ever had you tested? I mean, dude, your pretty fucking retarded.

 

[phrodeau]

Welfare Benefits are NOT TAXED. How about doing ALL the math instead of just part of it.

Do you know the entry level salary is for a teacher in New York? Look it up.

Do you know what a PFC in the Army is paid? Google it.
On, and on...

Good job Phrodeau- NOT!

More from CATO.
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/when-welfare-pays-better-work

Never said that they were. The figures on your map aren't actual payouts, but are bumped up to what an equivalent taxed salary would be.

And for a household to collect that much in welfare, they would need to be:

• single female parent
• with two children at home
• at least one child under 5
• not living in public housing
• qualifying for subsidized utilities

Do you think you can find a job for a single mother of two that pays anywhere near those amounts annually? Be sure to plug in a few thousand additional dollars for daycare.

 

[RjThoughts]

Never said that they were. The figures on your map aren't actual payouts, but are bumped up to what an equivalent taxed salary would be.

And for a household to collect that much in welfare, they would need to be:

• single female parent
• with two children at home
• at least one child under 5
• not living in public housing
• qualifying for subsidized utilities

Do you think you can find a job for a single mother of two that pays anywhere near those amounts annually? Be sure to plug in a few thousand additional dollars for daycare.

Quality day care is expensive! When we were looking into it, in 1994, the cheapest licenced place was $175/week. That's $9100 a year. Those who protest too much about welfare/social services/etc haven't a clue as to real costs of things.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Canadian Liberal party talks quite often of bringing in a national daycare system. Expensive as fuck for a gov to finance though. Would free up lots of productive people to enter job market and earn the two incomes it seems to take these days to get by.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

have you ever thought about saying 'No' to welfare?

join us, become a man and maybe you get to know what it feels like to be an American.

Quality day care is expensive! When we were looking into it, in 1994, the cheapest licenced place was $175/week. That's $9100 a year. Those who protest too much about welfare/social services/etc haven't a clue as to real costs of things.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So a single mother of two with kid(s) under 5 gets that kind of money? That's a fair amount to be fair. What percentage of welfare recipients does that cover would be the next step. Of course we know how to lower that number at least somewhat would be an increase in the minimum wage and universal daycare.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So a single mother of two with kid(s) under 5 gets that kind of money? That's a fair amount to be fair. What percentage of welfare recipients does that cover would be the next step. Of course we know how to lower that number at least somewhat would be an increase in the minimum wage and universal daycare.

1/2 dozen one way 6 the other, just write them a check and call it done.

Actually it would probably be better if we just took the money from the rich instead of taxing a company (raising min wage) across the board, they will pass that on to consumers (fuck poor people the hardest for it) in no more than 6 months.

 

[Sean Renaud]

1/2 dozen one way 6 the other, just write them a check and call it done.

Actually it would probably be better if we just took the money from the rich instead of taxing a company (raising min wage) across the board, they will pass that on to consumers (fuck poor people the hardest for it) in no more than 6 months.

I disagree across the board on this one. The facts just don't actually support this. It turns out that prices increase all on their own pretty much regardless of anything we do to the rich up to and including raising the minimum wage. The two sets of data do not show a logical correlation.

And besides if they are gonna attempt to pass it on their gonna do it no matter how we tax them. At least a minimum wage tax gives people the "dignity of work" so all else being equal that's the better plan.

However I'm results driven and the math doesn't support that.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Early in the 1900's Winston Churchill and others proved that there is a point were if you drop below on the economic level, you cannot get back above by yourself. Even temporary set backs can be devastating. This was a big reason for the People's Budget of 1909 which welcomed in the British welfare state.

It's not always for lack of trying.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I disagree across the board on this one. The facts just don't actually support this. It turns out that prices increase all on their own pretty much regardless of anything we do to the rich up to and including raising the minimum wage.

Because the reality is no one goes after the rich, they go after corporations, which is the dummy shield the rich are using to fuck everyone.

When you go tax a company? That company HAS to pay that tax with money they take from consumers (mostly poor folks) so they raise their prices. Min wage is just a tax on a company. Sure it only raises product prices 0.8c here and 0.14c there....shit adds up when you're talking about millions of transactions a day.

And besides if they are gonna attempt to pass it on their gonna do it no matter how we tax them.

No reason to make it as easy as possible by bashing the poor peoples brains out against corporate shielding. Going after personal income/wealth instead with a tax scale made for massive income inequality of 2015 would be far more effective and difficult for the rich to get out of paying via legal fuck fuck games.

At least a minimum wage tax gives people the "dignity of work" so all else being equal that's the better plan.

It's the easier plan, not the better one imo. It's just a viscous circle of poor folks taxing themselves into oblivion. That's why no min wage raise has ever been worth shit for very long. 15/hr today? in 12 months it will buy no more than 7.50 does now.

 

[Iceprincess12]

*wave*

 

[Sean Renaud]

Here's the bitch of it Bot. It should add up, but unless you have a metric other than inflation that we should measure the increase in prices across the board it doesn't do that in reality. Is there some other measurement?

 

[JackLuis]

Here's the bitch of it Bot. It should add up, but unless you have a metric other than inflation that we should measure the increase in prices across the board it doesn't do that in reality. Is there some other measurement?

I took a look at the minimum wage over time from 1938 when it was $0.25 an hour, and then went to $0.38 an Hour the next year, I then computed the inflation using a online calculator and normalized it all to 1938$. The rise of the Min wage peaked in about 1960 at a bit over a buck and the 2012 Min wage was worth ~$0.42, so we made some progress, about $0.04 per hour in 1938 dollars.

I still evaluate prices in~1960 dollars and at that time you could buy a three bedroom house new, for less that the current price of a good Chevy!

People tend to look at the dollar as a fixed value, that's not value. Value is the number of beans a dollar will buy.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

Enough SOCIALISTS here?
Raise minimum wage; all you accomplish IS Inflation while Education continues to deteriorate.

 

[PoppingTom]

Wasn't this thread about gun control?

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

Wasn't this thread about gun control?

Yes, its was, but it got hijacked by liberals who don't know the truth about welfare in the US.

So, back to gun control.

seems the Jug-Eared Jackass is going to Executive Order more background checks...

 

[PoppingTom]

Yes, its was, but it got hijacked by liberals who don't know the truth about welfare in the US.

So, back to gun control.

seems the Jug-Eared Jackass is going to Executive Order more background checks...

What's so bad about enhanced and seriously terminated background checks?

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

What's so bad about enhanced and seriously terminated background checks?

Did I say I was opposed to background checks ???
BTW, What is a "seriously terminated background check" ?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Yes, its was, but it got hijacked by liberals who don't know the truth about welfare in the US.

So, back to gun control.

seems the Jug-Eared Jackass is going to Executive Order more background checks...

PepppingTom ... well its a liberal socialist retard that can't be fixed.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I took a look at the minimum wage over time from 1938 when it was $0.25 an hour, and then went to $0.38 an Hour the next year, I then computed the inflation using a online calculator and normalized it all to 1938$. The rise of the Min wage peaked in about 1960 at a bit over a buck and the 2012 Min wage was worth ~$0.42, so we made some progress, about $0.04 per hour in 1938 dollars.

I still evaluate prices in~1960 dollars and at that time you could buy a three bedroom house new, for less that the current price of a good Chevy!

People tend to look at the dollar as a fixed value, that's not value. Value is the number of beans a dollar will buy.

Exactly. But the inflation rate is relatively steady with a few oddities usually having to do with international stuff.

Enough SOCIALISTS here?
Raise minimum wage; all you accomplish IS Inflation while Education continues to deteriorate.

That's simply untrue. Inflation has been fairly steady since we started taking records of it regardless of minimum wage.

Education deteroriates because we refuse to spend on it, that's our own damn fault.

Yes, its was, but it got hijacked by liberals who don't know the truth about welfare in the US.

So, back to gun control.

seems the Jug-Eared Jackass is going to Executive Order more background checks...

We know the truth, you just don't like it.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

"We know the truth, you just don't like it."

Shows what a troll you are little guy, I support background checks, I just wish Congress would do it effectively instead of the Jug-Eared Jackass imposing his agenda personally. He never considers unintended consequences. So, go pound salt...

 

[Sean Renaud]

"We know the truth, you just don't like it."

Shows what a troll you are little guy, I support background checks, I just wish Congress would do it effectively instead of the Jug-Eared Jackass imposing his agenda personally. He never considers unintended consequences. So, go pound salt...

I was talking welfare and minimum wage. Context.

Also Obama has not imposed his agenda personally by any rational standard and of course he considered the unintended consequences. You just by there very nature cannot plan for them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Here's the bitch of it Bot. It should add up, but unless you have a metric other than inflation that we should measure the increase in prices across the board it doesn't do that in reality. Is there some other measurement?

It does add up, you're just pretending it doesn't....you can't go in and tax the fucking piss out of a company without running prices up, it's fucking impossible, and that hurts the poor consumers the most.

That's why min wage doesn't matter....you could make the shit 300/hr min wage....guess what? In 18 months 300/hr won't buy SHIT. 7.50/hr over 5.25 was supposed to END POVERTY!!!! kinda like 15/hr is now...LOL

We have to fix our tax/welfare policies before we inc min wage or you will be pissing in the wind an 15/hr will be every fucking bit as broke as 7.50.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

I was talking welfare and minimum wage. Context.

Also Obama has not imposed his agenda personally by any rational standard and of course he considered the unintended consequences. You just by there very nature cannot plan for them.

Silly. Its called careful analysis.
And, BTW it's THEIR not THERE very nature.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Silly. Its called careful analysis.
And, BTW it's THEIR not THERE very nature.

Sorry, I don't grammar check these things but you are correct. And it's not called careful analysis. It's called not fact checking what people tell you. The minimim wage and inflation do not correlate.