Gun Control or what?

[BotanyBoy]

Sorry, I don't grammar check these things but you are correct. And it's not called careful analysis. It's called not fact checking what people tell you. The minimim wage and inflation do not correlate.

If the state comes in and at a min (1 employee, you) double your people expenses fro 13k a year to 30k a year you would just eat that cost?

What if you had 5 employees and suddenly your business cost 80,000 dollars a year more to operate.....

You're just going to eat that? No price raise on your customers? LOL bad bidnizz man...BAD.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

Sorry, I don't grammar check these things but you are correct. And it's not called careful analysis. It's called not fact checking what people tell you. The minimim wage and inflation do not correlate.

Unintended consequences arise from a lack of careful analysis. I'm talking gun control and not inflation. You quoted me on gun control.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Unintended consequences arise from a lack of careful analysis. I'm talking gun control and not inflation. You quoted me on gun control.

No, he quoted you talking about inflation......not gun control.

Enough SOCIALISTS here?
Raise minimum wage; all you accomplish IS Inflation while Education continues to deteriorate.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It does add up, you're just pretending it doesn't....you can't go in and tax the fucking piss out of a company without running prices up, it's fucking impossible, and that hurts the poor consumers the most.

That's why min wage doesn't matter....you could make the shit 300/hr min wage....guess what? In 18 months 300/hr won't buy SHIT. 7.50/hr over 5.25 was supposed to END POVERTY!!!! kinda like 15/hr is now...LOL

We have to fix our tax/welfare policies before we inc min wage or you will be pissing in the wind an 15/hr will be every fucking bit as broke as 7.50.

No, I'm just looking at the data and seeing what actually happens in real life. Not what we think should happen. What you're saying simply has not been born out by the data.

If the state comes in and at a min (1 employee, you) double your people expenses fro 13k a year to 30k a year you would just eat that cost?

What if you had 5 employees and suddenly your business cost 80,000 dollars a year more to operate.....

You're just going to eat that? No price raise on your customers? LOL bad bidnizz man...BAD.

First, the minimum wage isn't doubling. There is a breaking point for everything, second I'd probably end up closing shop in that scenario. Finally I'm not going to raise the price to my customers at least in the short term because I'm a good business man. I was already charging every dime my customers would pay. One penny more and they won't buy my product, my expenses mean absolutely nothing to my customers with a few exceptions like food and water where death is the result of not doing business with me.

Unintended consequences arise from a lack of careful analysis. I'm talking gun control and not inflation. You quoted me on gun control.

Nope. You mentioned that liberals don't understand economics, then said back to gun control. I also quoted an earlier statement on the same subject by you. And Is aid we do understand you just don't like it.

Sorry, you're incorrect.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubiquitious_too View Post
Yes, its was, but it got hijacked by liberals who don't know the truth about welfare in the US.

So, back to gun control.

seems the Jug-Eared Jackass is going to Executive Order more background checks...
We know the truth, you just don't like it.

Here's the damn quote he posted...

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

"You mentioned that liberals don't understand economics"

Where did I say that?
Give me the post #.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, I'm just looking at the data and seeing what actually happens in real life. Not what we think should happen. What you're saying simply has not been born out by the data.

You trust your data, I'm trusting exp. as a business owner, when the state levies expenses on a company that company fuckin' raises prices to cover it, if they don't they are fucking MORONS.

First, the minimum wage isn't doubling. There is a breaking point for everything, second I'd probably end up closing shop in that scenario. Finally I'm not going to raise the price to my customers at least in the short term because I'm a good business man. I was already charging every dime my customers would pay. One penny more and they won't buy my product, my expenses mean absolutely nothing to my customers with a few exceptions like food and water where death is the result of not doing business with me.

So they don't want 15/ hr? I'm pretty sure 15/hr is the LW mantra for raising min wage.....


Just close up shop instead or raising prices? LOL ok....

I just tag 10c or whatever onto the lb of berries and problem solved. 18 months after 15/hr doesn't buy a fucking thing more than 7.50 did before that and 5.25 before that and they demand 25/hr?

We'll just put 15 (or whatever it is) cents onto the price/lb and boom, I'm watching liburual political action trying to stick it to my evil corporate ass, fuck poor people in the pantry/fridge in real time.



Maybe your business operates differently but when I get taxed my consumer HAS to cover it...there is no other option.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yes I do trust data. When we have close to a century of data that suggests that prices go up because prices go up not because of an increase in wages I tend to trust it over people saying "in my personal experience this is what happens."

When I get taxed I tend to eat it because there is no way to realistically add it. The taxes are one shot generally every other year of X amount. Again I cannot raise prices they are already as high as they can go. Such is how I run my business.

We both know once negotiating is done it would be a miracle if MW raised to 10.00 and hour. You ask for 15 so you have some negotiating room.

However youre sticking with the mantra that if we raise the minimum wage that inflation will follow and we know that isn't true.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Poverty and crime go together. Crime and guns go together. If you can alleviate poverty you take a dent out of crime. Hence a dent out of guns. Lowering poverty rates is a good form of gun control.

 

[Hedon1st]

Drugs and illegal guns go hand in hand. Drugs will always be a problem, therefore I will keep mine to protect my family and me. I'd rather have it and not need to use it than need it and not have it.

 

[RjThoughts]

Scenario:

It's late at night, you're on the laptop trying to catch up on work. You think you hear someone on the back porch, but the sound goes away. A few minutes later, you hear glass breaking, on the backdoor.

You rush to the kitchen to see someone strange standing there.

You have a gun, do you shoot?

If you do, you just shot an old man with Alzheimer's who was lost and thought MY home was his daughter's, a block away.

 

[Hedon1st]

You assess the person standing in front of you. Only an idiot shoots blindly.

 

[RjThoughts]

You assess the person standing in front of you. Only an idiot shoots blindly.

Which are 99% of home handgun owners!
Fuck, you and the others would have shot him on the back porch!

 

[PoppingTom]

It does add up, you're just pretending it doesn't....you can't go in and tax the fucking piss out of a company without running prices up, it's fucking impossible, and that hurts the poor consumers the most.

You mean there is no such thing as competition from China etc?
And all that profits are just impressing counts, nothing important?

That's why min wage doesn't matter....you could make the shit 300/hr min wage....guess what? In 18 months 300/hr won't buy SHIT. 7.50/hr over 5.25 was supposed to END POVERTY!!!! kinda like 15/hr is now...LOL

You really think inflation works that way? No government involved?
And you think inflation has only bad effects?

What about that: good companies been killed by bad companies about the price, and the low price is reached about the wage? Minimum wage ensures good companies can stay in competition?

What about that: inflation makes american products cheaper in the world, and lowers the national debt ?

We have to fix our tax/welfare policies...

Agreed. Though I prefer another direction as you.

 

[Hedon1st]

No, actually I would have confronted him after turning on the lights and asking why he was on my property, hand on gun, in my holster. Good try with the wild assumption though. Do you know all 99% of gun owners? No, of course you don't.

 

[RjThoughts]

No, actually I would have confronted him after turning on the lights and asking why he was on my property, hand on gun, in my holster. Good try with the wild assumption though. Do you know all 99% of gun owners? No, of course you don't.

Hand on gun, in holster? WHAT THE FUCK? This is 2015, not 1885, you small-dicked idiot!!!!!

 

[Hedon1st]

I am a police officer, moron. I have, on countless occasions, had to confront people both on and off duty, so yes, I am RESPONSIBLE and ALWAYS carry in a holster. You hide behind your computer and I will actually deal with the criminals. Go ahead and vote yourself another "liberal" socialist so they can further corrupt the Constitution. By the way, thanks for being a professional victim. Without you, I'd be out of a job.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I am a police officer, moron. I have, on countless occasions, had to confront people both on and off duty, so yes, I am RESPONSIBLE and ALWAYS carry in a holster. You hide behind your computer and I will actually deal with the criminals. Go ahead and vote yourself another "liberal" socialist so they can further corrupt the Constitution. By the way, thanks for being a professional victim. Without you, I'd be out of a job.

You hardly represent 99% of gun owners if you are actually a police officer. To give some credence to your supposed professional opinion, you might want to state it first not drop as a bug GOTCHA.

And if you think that everybody carry makes for a safe society, I suggest you are a shitty police officer. No cops I know personally think that. In fact the complete opposite.

Wouldn't it be nice to know that there is little to no chance of you getting blown away at a routine traffic stop. You do have a family to get home too.

If job security is an issue, don't be worried. There are still crimes to stop and solve without guns. Just not near as many. 10k per year. That's a big chunk out of murder rate. Guess the lawyers not you guys would get the credit though.

I highly doubt you are a trained full time police officer.

 

[RjThoughts]

I am a police officer, moron. I have, on countless occasions, had to confront people both on and off duty, so yes, I am RESPONSIBLE and ALWAYS carry in a holster. You hide behind your computer and I will actually deal with the criminals. Go ahead and vote yourself another "liberal" socialist so they can further corrupt the Constitution. By the way, thanks for being a professional victim. Without you, I'd be out of a job.

Excuse me, I grew up with guns in the house.
I grew up hunting and spending time in country, on farms.

As for liberal socialist, I'd rather have one than a fucking bigot racist fuck! Fear of black people, fear of brown people, fear of Muslims, yeah, you'd do so well in my neighborhood!! You'd be one of those cops who mistake Sikhs and Hindus for radicalized Muslims.

And...

My appreciation for cops is rather low, since I was picked up twice as a teenager because I "looked" like a Puerto Rican gang member, put in cuffs, despite my ID saying I was NOT him, nor was a I Hispanic!!!! Then years later, having a para-military "officer" pull on gun on me because I "fit the description" of a Latino burglury suspect. When I produced my ID, he NEVER apologized. I had to receive it from a sergeant and lieutenant who showed up when people from the neighborhood screamed at the cop to put away his gun!

 

[RjThoughts]

You hardly represent 99% of gun owners if you are actually a police officer. To give some credence to your supposed professional opinion, you might want to state it first not drop as a bug GOTCHA.

And if you think that everybody carry makes for a safe society, I suggest you are a shitty police officer. No cops I know personally think that. In fact the complete opposite.

If job security is an issue, don't be worried. There are still crimes to stop and solve without guns. Just not near as many. 10k per year. That's a big chunk out of murder rate. Guess the lawyers not you guys would get the credit though.

Wouldn't it be nice to know that there is little to know chance of you getting blown away at a routine traffic stop. You do have a family to get home too.

I highly doubt you are a trained full time police officer.

A correctly trained law enforcement officer wouldn't have his gun in his holster at home. That just sounds strange, unless he is a small-dicked Wyatt Earp wannabe "peace officer."

 

[Sean Renaud]

Drugs and illegal guns go hand in hand. Drugs will always be a problem, therefore I will keep mine to protect my family and me. I'd rather have it and not need to use it than need it and not have it.

That is a choice we make not a set in stone law of the universe. There isn't an "alcohol" problem. YEah people die and drunk drive but all within acceptable parameters.

 

[Hedon1st]

I live in NY too... How about we meet for coffee.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I like cops. Half a dozen friends on the force. Been pulled over and checked out a few times when younger for looking all long haired and scruffy. Just doing their jobs. All my cop friends would love to know exactly who has a gun and where it is. One is a real mess from some wannabee biker trying to make a name for himself with a gun. He lived but not the same man as he used to be. He hates handguns. I can understand that.

 

[RjThoughts]

I live in NY too... How about we meet for coffee.

How about we don't, since I don't want to be "arrested" again.

 

[RjThoughts]

I like cops. Half a dozen friends on the force. Been pulled over and checked out a few times when younger for looking all long haired and scruffy. Just doing their jobs. All my cop friends would love to know exactly who has a gun and where it is. One is a real mess from some wannabee biker trying to make a name for himself with a gun. He lived but not the same man as he used to be. He hates handguns. I can understand that.

The husband of my mom's best friend was a cop, reaching detective.
The second time I was placed in cuffs and brought down to the police station, it was he who told the two "cops" to uncuff me, apologize, and drive me home.
When we visited his house, his gun was NEVER in his holster. It was "away," in a location we kids did not know about and we told to not ask about.