Gun Control

[rocket_surgery]

You hear a couple fighting in the parking lot. One of them comes into your store and wants to buy bullets.

May as well sell them, since if you don't, he'll get them somewhere else.

I think the question would be why he is carrying a gun without bullets in the first place.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I think the question would be why he is carrying a gun without bullets in the first place.

He or she probably wouldn't be, but could be going to a target range, and needs more ammo than what is in the gun, or would be in the gun if it was loaded.

 

[rocket_surgery]

He or she probably wouldn't be, but could be going to a target range, and needs more ammo than what is in the gun, or would be in the gun if it was loaded.

Then he has plenty to shoot the person he's fighting with and doesn't need to buy any more until later.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Then he has plenty to shoot the person he's fighting with and doesn't need to buy any more until later.

How you know the intention is to shoot somebody? This could just as well be somebody arguing about who is going to win the baseball game that day.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

ALL guns sales records have to be kept by the FFL. The record includes the name, address, and serial # of the firearm. This information has to be included on the Form 4473 sent as part of the background check at the time of purchase. As for the registration; you do realize that "gun registration" means that the government is actually registering the gun "Owner" don't you? The question suddenly becomes why and for what purpose. To keep track of guns that are used in crimes? Oh, that's really handy, as if the gun isn't at the scene of the crime after all the shooting stops anyway. Usually in hand of the person committing the crime. So, regardless of who OWNS it, the bad guy usually is the one USING it. And that ain't that hard to figure out once the smoke clears.

There is NO SUCH THING as a "gunshow loophole". ALL SALES at guns shows are required to follow the same rules as at the brick & mortar FFL with the same forms and checks.

“There’s no documentation, no bill of sale, no background check,” Sauschuck said. “So we have no idea where that weapon went after that (sale) or how many times it changed hands.”

Two men met in a Portland hospital parking lot last spring and, after a brief conversation, traded $325 for a 9 mm handgun. One month later, the gun turned up near the scene of a shootout with police in New York City.

In 2010, another handgun was used in two murders in Portland. When police tried to trace its history, the trail dead-ended with an undocumented private sale at a Maine gun show.

In yet another case, a Boston man received 17 years behind bars in 2009 for running an interstate circuit to supply his fellow gang members with guns purchased from sellers advertising in Uncle Henry’s, a popular Maine classified circular.

These separate incidents share a common thread: Before they ended up in the “wrong hands,” the guns were sold in Maine’s thriving and largely unsupervised private gun marketplace, where there are no background checks, no waiting periods and little

 

[richard_daily]

“There’s no documentation, no bill of sale, no background check,” Sauschuck said. “So we have no idea where that weapon went after that (sale) or how many times it changed hands.”

Two men met in a Portland hospital parking lot last spring and, after a brief conversation, traded $325 for a 9 mm handgun. One month later, the gun turned up near the scene of a shootout with police in New York City.

In 2010, another handgun was used in two murders in Portland. When police tried to trace its history, the trail dead-ended with an undocumented private sale at a Maine gun show.

In yet another case, a Boston man received 17 years behind bars in 2009 for running an interstate circuit to supply his fellow gang members with guns purchased from sellers advertising in Uncle Henry’s, a popular Maine classified circular.

These separate incidents share a common thread: Before they ended up in the “wrong hands,” the guns were sold in Maine’s thriving and largely unsupervised private gun marketplace, where there are no background checks, no waiting periods and little

How do you know where these guns are coming from, if there is no record of them?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

How do you know where these guns are coming from, if there is no record of them?

They know where they were originally, legally purchased. And then the chain breaks down with the undocumented private sales that put the guns in the hands of criminals.

And don't roll your eyes at me.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

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[BotanyBoy]

Nevada voters approved a new gun control law – so why was it not enforced?

Last November, Nevada voters narrowly approved a new gun control law that would have required private sellers to conduct the same criminal background check on buyers that licensed gun dealers already use. Closing the loophole was one of the lone bright spots for gun control advocates in an election that put the National Rifle Association’s chosen candidate, Donald Trump, in the White House.

But Nevada’s new gun law has never been enforced. Days before it was slated to go into effect, the state’s Republican attorney general released a legal opinion concluding that citizens were “excused from compliance”, calling the new law unenforceable.

The attorney general who made the decision, Adam Paul Laxalt, spoke at the NRA’s annual meeting this year, where he was hailed by the NRA’s chief lobbyist for ensuring that Nevada’s new background check legislation for private sales was still not the law of the land. Laxalt had publicly opposed the background check measure before it passed, a mark of opposition the NRA had publicized in its fight against the measure.

It's unenforceable.

You can't make private sales not-private, without banning private sales, and even then guess what will happen? That's right...private sales.

The very idea that you could is right up there with free market communism, it's self contradicting idiocy.

Good luck with that.

 

[Not Normal]

Make all guns weigh 100 pounds, make each round of ammunition $1000.

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

FACTS ARE the killer's criminal & mental health record is crystal clean - there's not a background check of any sort he wouldn't have easily passed.

Every one of the 49 weapons the law has secured so far were all legally obtained and possessed.

This is starting to stink of genius - which definitely could explain how he also kept just as clean and quiet his jihadi radicalization (if that turns out to be the case). It would also show what a perfect piece to the jihadi attack puzzle he was - you can't hardly hope for a better operative that this. And he had all the firepower he needed to murder so many, many more lives.

Yep: 11 minute police response time definitely saved the night from being even more horrendously deadlier.

 

[coachdb18]

Make all guns weigh 100 pounds, make each round of ammunition $1000.

Make each stupid idea posted cost $43,987.23 ..... adjusted for inflation

 

[Que]

You hear a couple fighting in the parking lot. One of them comes into your store and wants to buy bullets.

May as well sell them, since if you don't, she'll get them somewhere else.

Why do you want to leave the woman vulnerable and unable to defend herself against the larger, stronger abusive man that was been accosting her in the parking lot?

 

[MGurkus]

What a dumb sissy faggot.

 

[settledseas]

You hear a couple fighting in the parking lot. One of them comes into your store and wants to buy bullets.

May as well sell them, since if you don't, he'll get them somewhere else.

if it were me! i'd sell'em " blanks " .

 

[about_average]

I can't remember when the left has been honest about a god damn thing.

You mean like when the NRA lied about Merrick Garland being anti-gun and the right started spewing the lies all over the place, including on Lit, and McConnell refused to allow a confirmation hearing because Garland was anti-gun?
That kind of honest?

 

[Hypoxia]

What a dumb sissy faggot.

Which one?

Anyway, won't be "gun control" in USA anytime soon. Too many personal firearms exist. We may see ammunition limitations -- and firms selling make-your-own-ammo kits. We may see handgun limitations -- and 3D printers churning out uncontrollable pistols.

Or maybe Tromp will decide his base is too well-armed, and orders complete confiscation, with lethal force for resistors. You think that won't happen? Ha because history.

 

[Rightguide]

You mean like when the NRA lied about Merrick Garland being anti-gun and the right started spewing the lies all over the place, including on Lit, and McConnell refused to allow a confirmation hearing because Garland was anti-gun?
That kind of honest?

Merrick Garland was not a supporter of Heller and was by no means a proper candidate to replace the towering intellect of Scalia. He was a liberal intellect who impressed the incompetent legal intellect of Barack Obama.

 

[about_average]

Merrick Garland was not a supporter of Heller and was by no means a proper candidate to replace the towering intellect of Scalia. He was a liberal intellect who impressed the incompetent legal intellect of Barack Obama.

Cite Garland's lack of support on Heller.
I'm assuming you can cite some writing of his to show that, since he never voted on Parker v. District of Columbia other than to have it heard by the entire court.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why do you want to leave the woman vulnerable and unable to defend herself against the larger, stronger abusive man that was been accosting her in the parking lot?

Because deep down inside, the left loves criminals.

Shit, their whole political/economic philosophy is based upon robbery.

Why wouldn't they do everything they can to make sure criminals thoroughly victimize those around them?

 

[Rightguide]

Cite Garland's lack of support on Heller.
I'm assuming you can cite some writing of his to show that, since he never voted on Parker v. District of Columbia other than to have it heard by the entire court.

You really need to become informed. Take note of the supporting links in the article:

Merrick Garland really is anti-gun: Column
Michael E. Hammond Published 3:38 p.m. ET May 1, 2016
Supreme Court nominee had 4 chances to vote against gun rights, and he took them all.

The usual gaggle of anti-gun suspects has come out of the woodwork to attack the “gun lobby” for its opposition to any action on behalf of Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland.

Coupled with their typical protestations that their attacks on Second Amendment advocates are not attacks on the Second Amendment itself, their words are laden with half-truths and selectively culled “facts.”

But the truth is simple. Second Amendment issues have come before Garland, at least four times. He voted anti-gun every time.

In 2007, Garland was one of four judges on the District of Columbia Circuit who voted for the full court to rehear a pro-gun holding of a three-judge panel overturning Washington’s draconian gun ban in District of Columbia v. Heller.

And, yes, although Garland was joined by A. Raymond Randolph, appointed by George H.W. Bush, Garland’s vote was not merely a matter of intellectual curiosity. A comparable case, Seegars v. Gonzales, was decided differently two years earlier by an anti-gun panel of the same court. That time, Garland voted against a rehearing by the full court.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...preme-court-second-amendment-column/83670044/

 

[richard_daily]

None of the regulation being presented and "common sense" gun control would have prevented this atrocity.

If someone has the will, the means, and the time, they will be able to commit a heinous act. Nothing anyone does can stop them.

As I've said in other threads, I'm glad he had access to guns, because otherwise, as a millionaire, with time, energy, and heinous motivation, he could have easily rigged explosives that would have caused much greater loss of life, in the thousands probably.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

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Center for American Progress Fact Sheet showing how personal sales of guns with no documentation or background checks lead to guns n the hands of criminals.

Maine Press Herald article: How Maine became a source of ‘crime guns’ in other states. From the article: Every year, about 90 guns originally purchased in Maine turn up at crime scenes, are abandoned or get confiscated by police in Massachusetts.

 

[phrodeau]

Why do you want to leave the woman vulnerable and unable to defend herself against the larger, stronger abusive man that was been accosting her in the parking lot?

Because women are merely chattel, duh.

 

[about_average]

You really need to become informed.

Actually you're the one who needs to become informed and not buy the NRA BS.

One of the three judges who voted with Garland in Parker v DC had previously written that the mere fact of being a felon shouldn't prohibit someone from gun ownership. I guess if a vote to hear the case en banc means a person is anti-gun then that judge is anti-gun also, in spite of the clear evidence he's not.

In the database records case the law doesn't require the records to be deleted in a specific time frame so they FBI's desire to keep them for a very limited and specific time didn't violate the law. Garland ruled based on the law and the arguments presented.
If the law's author wanted them deleted in a specific time they should have written the law that way.