Have you noticed BDSM in the mainstream?

[Etoile]

I have a challenge: how many examples of BDSM can you think of from Disney cartoon movies?

 

[00Syd]

I have a challenge: how many examples of BDSM can you think of from Disney cartoon movies?

Hmmmm....

Don't know if these are real examples of BDSM, but this is what I could think of:

The part in Aladdin when when Jafar (sp?) makes ropes shoot out of the mouth of the engraved serpent on his staff and tie up a struggling Aladdin while encasing Jasmine in the bottom of an hourglass. He also forces the real sultan to dress as a jester and perform tricks while the irritating bird voiced by Gilbert Gottfried torments him.

Also in The Lion King when Scar takes power and puts the bird advisor, don't remember his name, and puts him in a cage and keeps threatening to eat him.

And Ursula from The Little Mermaid just seems like a Dominatrix to me. But maybe thats just me.

 

[FurryFury]

I have a challenge: how many examples of BDSM can you think of from Disney cartoon movies?

* repeats to self over and over, I will not watch Disney cartoon movies, I will not watch . . .*

 

[twysted73]

* repeats to self over and over, I will not watch Disney cartoon movies, I will not watch . . .*

Ooh! Good one! Lemme see....*ponders*

There's aladdin chained in the dungeon, Nala gaining the upper hand on simba in every wrestle match, Usula has a Stone caste to her *laffs*

I'm really stretching here. Any help?

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Has anyone else seen the parental control commercial with the blonde Dominatrix ("Mistress Michelle" I think is the name they called her) in the PVC outfit? In any case, a guy on the couch is telling her that she's been naughty and she snaps a flogger at him saying, "Noooo... you've been naughty!"

He replies something about "You're show is..." and his wife on the couch interjects "fun!" as she's rubbing her hand on his chest and he goes on "...to intense for the kids, so we're going to block you."

I was laughing so hard at that point I missed whatever the Dominatrix was saying trying to get the couple to unblock her show but I thought it was great that it was the WIFE character saying the show was fun!

It's more fun than the gangster or junkie parental control commercials anyway! *LOL*

 

[Netzach]

I think counting spanking in Disney movies through the years would be a drinking game that will get you drunk very very fast.

 

[00Syd]

I think counting spanking in Disney movies through the years would be a drinking game that will get you drunk very very fast.

I can't remember any examples of spanking in disney movies, what are you thinking of? I feel like there must be one in Cinderella, but I just can't picture it.

 

[unfoundiamond]

YES! that one is hilarious....

Has anyone else seen the parental control commercial with the blonde Dominatrix ("Mistress Michelle" I think is the name they called her) in the PVC outfit? In any case, a guy on the couch is telling her that she's been naughty and she snaps a flogger at him saying, "Noooo... you've been naughty!"

He replies something about "You're show is..." and his wife on the couch interjects "fun!" as she's rubbing her hand on his chest and he goes on "...to intense for the kids, so we're going to block you."

I was laughing so hard at that point I missed whatever the Dominatrix was saying trying to get the couple to unblock her show but I thought it was great that it was the WIFE character saying the show was fun!

It's more fun than the gangster or junkie parental control commercials anyway! *LOL*

True, That is a good one, "Mistress Mandy" I think he calls her... I have seen that commercial a million times... (I totally didn't even connect it... good one)

I wished she was really from a show, and I could watch it...

The wife in the commercial says "I love your boots" at the end... I instantly liked the wife a lot more when she said it...

Too funny...

(Must be a nationwide commercial??)

 

[00Syd]

Check out this record cover I just found online:

http://a842.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/9/l_f442c8c088c0dbf44c1f5185f36175f9.jpg

mmmm SM disco.

 

[YourCaptor]

Ha ha, every once in a while someone will try to shock or impress me with their wild side.

Impression of them: “excuse me mister, mister… I like having my bottom touched *blush*”



Usually my devilish grin will scare them away, if it doesn’t then the next words out of my mouth do.

I really need to move some place kinky next. Maybe then I will be shocked.

 

[YourCaptor]

Actually I think pop culture in my preteen years is partially to blame for my insanity.

Examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXseHUrLR5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCrmkP_HJEQ

It screed up my taste in music too, but I love it.

 

[FurryFury]

There have been quite a few fetish type artistic moments on Make Me a Supermodel.

Last night it was ballet stilettos. A few weeks ago there was a whole runway with floggers, whips, leashes and so on.

 

[FurryFury]

The new TV game show called Moment of Truth is just chock full of humiliation! In parts it twings my interrogation fantasies. Too bad I have nothing very "bad" to confess. LOL!

 

[DarkMistressJ]

Time Is Running Out...

I noticed some BDSM under tones to the song "Time Is Running Out" by Muse. Now i could be wrong but every time i listen to the song i just think of my Master and i at play (screen name made before i hung up the leash and embraced the collar)...



Time Is Running Out
By: Muse

I think I'm drowning
Asphyxiated
I wanna break this spell
That you've created

You're something beautiful
A contradiction
I wanna play the game
I want the friction

You will be the death of me (x2)

(Chorus)
Bury it
I won't let you bury it
I won't let you smother it
I won't let you murder it
Our time is running out
Our time is running out
You can't push it underground
You can't stop it screaming out

I wanted freedom
Bound and restricted
I tried to give you up
But I'm addicted

Now that you know I'm trapped
Sense of elation
You'd never dream of
Breaking this fixation

You will squeeze the life out of me

(Chorus)
How did it come to this?
Ooh ooh ooh yeah yeah yeah

You will suck the life out of me

(Chorus)
How did it come to this?
Ooh ooh ooh yeah yeah yeah




Now i could be wrong but i just can't help but think that this song has to have some kind of BDSM under tones!

-moogle

 

[shy slave]

Spanking Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/our_experts/article3288567.ece

This article annoyed me on so many levels

 

[00Syd]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/our_experts/article3288567.ece

This article annoyed me on so many levels

That was fairly irritating.

"Spanking is a common practice that should be diagnosed only as sadistic or masochistic when there is a real desire to inflict and suffer considerable pain."

Diagnosed. Bah.

 

[Etoile]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/our_experts/article3288567.ece

This article annoyed me on so many levels

Holy shit, the second "expert" is a total...*retches*

 

[The_Fractal_King]

That was fairly irritating.

"Spanking is a common practice that should be diagnosed only as sadistic or masochistic when there is a real desire to inflict and suffer considerable pain."

Diagnosed. Bah.

I think he's referring to the DSM-IV-TR requirement that actual suffering or danger to one's self or others be apparent before a person can be diagnosed with anything.

ie if someone spanks his/her partner to a sane level no diagnosis is possible but if he/she becomes excited by spanking with the primary intent of destroying them a diagnosis of sexual sadism is reasonable. Hence most people who practice S&M as part of their sex lives cannot be diagnosed with sexual sadism or sexual masochism.

In that line it seems the author is defending the practice of spanking.

 

[Etoile]

I think he's referring to the DSM-IV-TR requirement that actual suffering or danger to one's self or others be apparent before a person can be diagnosed with anything.

ie if someone spanks his/her partner to a sane level no diagnosis is possible but if he/she becomes excited by spanking with the primary intent of destroying them a diagnosis of sexual sadism is reasonable. Hence most people who practice S&M as part of their sex lives cannot be diagnosed with sexual sadism or sexual masochism.

In that line it seems the author is defending the practice of spanking.

I agree with you that he's referring to the DSM-IV, but I disagree that most people who practice SM cannot be diagnosed under the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria. The issue is that what is "sane" is up for debate. You mention spanking "to a sane level" but who is to say what that level is? There are a lot of people who go beyond what most vanilla people would consider "sane" and yet I would not say they are dangerous paraphiliacs.

He might mean to defend spanking, but he's going about it wrong. "A real desire to inflict and suffer considerable pain" is also extremely subjective. What is a real desire? What is considerable pain? This is very much a gray area, and I don't think that article contributes in any way to clarifying things.

 

[The_Fractal_King]

I agree with you that he's referring to the DSM-IV, but I disagree that most people who practice SM cannot be diagnosed under the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria. The issue is that what is "sane" is up for debate. You mention spanking "to a sane level" but who is to say what that level is? There are a lot of people who go beyond what most vanilla people would consider "sane" and yet I would not say they are dangerous paraphiliacs.

He might mean to defend spanking, but he's going about it wrong. "A real desire to inflict and suffer considerable pain" is also extremely subjective. What is a real desire? What is considerable pain? This is very much a gray area, and I don't think that article contributes in any way to clarifying things.

I believe the tipping point comes when the desire to inflict pain become such that one is willing to seek out a partner who has not consented or to continue after a partner has withdrawn his/her consent. Sanity in this case has less to do with intensity than it does with causing harm (on an emotional rather than physical level). A sexual sadist would have to be dangerous to others (or seriously afraid of him/herself) in order to have a clinical disorder.

I agree that the article accomplishes nothing. I'm merely defending a person who does have a lot of gray area and treads a fine line when talking about what is professionally accepted and trying not to offend others.

 

[Etoile]

I believe the tipping point comes when the desire to inflict pain become such that one is willing to seek out a partner who has not consented or to continue after a partner has withdrawn his/her consent. Sanity in this case has less to do with intensity than it does with causing harm (on an emotional rather than physical level). A sexual sadist would have to be dangerous to others (or seriously afraid of him/herself) in order to have a clinical disorder.

I agree that the article accomplishes nothing. I'm merely defending a person who does have a lot of gray area and treads a fine line when talking about what is professionally accepted and trying not to offend others.

I think that's in an ideal situation, though. I think that in reality, a lot more people get diagnosed 302.83 (masochism) and 302.84 (sadism) than people of our sensibilities would think is appropriate.

 

[The_Fractal_King]

I think that's in an ideal situation, though. I think that in reality, a lot more people get diagnosed 302.83 (masochism) and 302.84 (sadism) than people of our sensibilities would think is appropriate.

That could well be true but there is no absolutely objective way to judge where one crosses the line between a harmless paraphilia and a clinical disorder (though the points at either end seem apparent). In an ideal world, yes whether a line has been crossed or not should be up to those participating but because of the way society is structured it's probably not possible.

Categorizing people as masochistic or sadistic is not an absolutely bad thing though (the words exist for a reason and make describing behavior much easier). As long as no one is being institutionalized, hurt or "cured" I don't think the labels are really inappropriate.



On a side note (and slightly back to the topic) I think the public confusion about what BDSM has something to do with only thinking/knowing of the extreme aspects. I managed to shock a psych class (much to my dismay) when I pointed out that there was a continuum of behaviors for sexual sadism during a discussion on paraphilias. One person actually asked "what makes you such an expert?", that was a fun explanation.

 

[bdsm_librarian]

Article Archived for future reference

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/our_experts/article3288567.ece

This article annoyed me on so many levels

Q I spank my wife for her pleasure, not mine. But I got excited when she was spanked by a friend as a joke. Should I ask if we can involve someone else?

DR THOMAS STUTTAFORD

A Your wife may share with Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, the 19th-century Austrian writer, the ability to derive sexual pleasure from suffering pain. The last part of von Sacher-Masoch’s name is forever commemorated by the term masochism that is applied to this sexual behaviour. Similarly the Marquis de Sade is remembered by the term sadism. Sexual sadism is a desire to obtain sexual excitement from inflicting pain or humiliation.

Sadism and masochism, popularly known as S&M, often coexist. In many cases there is evidence in foreplay that the partner of the accepted sadistic or masochistic person has similar tendencies. Usually these will be complementary to the other’s inclinations.

Not surprisingly, men who display a greater than usual propensity to being oppressively dominant often display sexual urges that include fantasising about or actually inflicting physical suffering or emotional humiliation on their partners. They frequently team up with women – or, if homosexual, with men – who have complementary urges to be dominated.

These people have often had a difficult childhood, lack self-esteem and feel unworthy. In later life they want to be beaten, smacked, humiliated, bound, urinated or defecated on, treated as an animal or child. Potentially masochistic people may indulge in hypooxyphilia, a dangerous desire for partial asphyxiation.

Spanking is a common practice that should be diagnosed only as sadistic or masochistic when there is a real desire to inflict and suffer considerable pain. The late Dr Anthony Storr, an Oxford psychiatrist who studied sexual behaviour, went as far as suggesting that it was “always possible to detect sadomasochistic tendencies in anyone”.

Often foreplay includes play-acting, with spanking as a noisy simulation of beating. Your wife’s desire to be spanked wouldn’t qualify as representing a masochistic streak in her personality unless it was well established, of at least six months’ duration, and unless the spanking produced obvious evidence of sexual stimulation. In extreme cases, masochistic people are unable to be aroused, let alone to have an orgasm, without suffering pain.

If your wife is truly masochistic, she is relatively unusual in one respect. Research has shown that 95 per cent of sexual masochists are men and that only 5 per cent of women derive sexual pleasure through pain. Even this minority isn’t always entirely masochistic; one in three of them is occasionally sadistic, often biting and scratching more vigorously than is usual.

Whatever your sexual habits, asking a third person to share them often leads to trouble. Have you thought of the consequences if your wife preferred to be smacked, and whatever else may follow this, by your guest, rather than by her husband? Sex with a new partner may seem to her exciting for a while, but by the time boredom with a new lover has set in, she may have left you.

Your observation that you derive a thrill from seeing your wife spanked by a friend is interesting. Psychologists teach that sadomasochism in its various guises could stem from the pleasure in childhood, long since forgotten, that the person may have experienced when seeing others punished.

Dr Thomas Stuttaford, The Times doctor, spent many years working in a genitourinary clinic

SUZI GODSON

A I am trying to think of the last time I was spanked by a friend in front of my husband as a joke. Hmm. Nope. Not a sausage. It’s just not the kind of thing that crops up in the circles I move in. When my husband and I get together with friends we have drinks, dinner, even a bit of middle-aged dancing if we’re at a “do”, but no public spanking, jokey or otherwise. I don’t wish to cast aspersions on your wife’s good character but, between you and me, to lie across a person’s lap and have them rhythmically beat your posterior is an act of such great intimacy that I wonder whether you have considered the possibility that the incident might not have been a joke at all?

As a woman, my immediate instinct on reading your letter was to question whether your wife, a self-confessed spankophile, might not also be ten steps ahead of you when it comes to third-party involvement. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. It simply means that not only will she greet your suggestion with enthusiasm, she probably has a volunteer lined up already.

Many dating agencies, such as Passion.com, offer “couple looking for” as an option in their search engines, so finding an extra pair of hands for a threesome has never been easier. However, although your wife is clearly an excitable woman, before you give this idea the green light, I would urge you to consider how you will really feel if you expose your marriage to sex with a third party.

The threesome is an appealing and enduring fantasy but not one that translates easily into reality. Even when all three participants are consenting and fully aware of the consequences, jealousy frequently sabotages prospective liaisons or damages the primary relationship. If you are deeply attached to your wife, it may be difficult to watch her being intimate with another person and even if the third party is a woman, the potential discovery that your wife has bisexual tendencies may feel even more threatening. And if the person involved is a friend, the friendship, and the marriage, could be ruined.

Although countless women engage in threesomes, the majority of those who propagandise on behalf of the joys of ménage à trois are male. Men are better able to dissociate sex from love and a brief trawl through any chatroom tackling the subject of threesomes reveals that most of the casualties are female. Women get involved in threesomes for all sorts of reasons but often it is either a way of pleasing/holding on to their partner, or a way of masking the dwindling of sexual desire within the relationship. Rather than face facts and address the cause of the sexual lag, they agree to a dash of “stranger sex” and hope that a temporary solution will cure a more permanent deficiency. Needless to say, a relationship that is on shaky ground anyway will almost certainly hit the rocks under the added weight of a third party.

From your letter I can’t tell whether you and your wife have a solid relationship, but if you do, I’d advise you to keep your naughty little fantasy to yourself and, as your penance, buy your lovely wife something that she will enjoy. Coco de Mer’s Teach me a Lesson wooden ruler, £6, springs to mind (www.coco-de-mer-shop.co.uk).

 

[Etoile]

I'm attempting to figure out why I would pay $12 for a "Teach Me a Lesson" wooden ruler instead of 39 cents for this one.

 

[HottieMama]

That one from Offrice Depot has metal edges...you want to be careful with that...